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Here we are: Bama Week.


Our fearless leader will keep bringing you the news recaps and the mood of the fanbase.  Billy and Paul, of course, will break down the X and O's, so you can go into the game as well-educated as possible.  Which leaves me to do what I do best:

Irritate the opposing fanbase. 

Alabama is an easy team to hate for one simple reason: they win.  They've won a lot, and it seems like they will continue to win.  Nobody hates Vanderbilt (well, maybe Louisville, who has to envy Vandy's sweet gig while they are constantly fighting for their survival). 

Alabama has won 12 national titles, 22 SEC titles, and represented the Western Division in the SEC Championship Game just under 50% of the time.  Alabama is the New York Yankees of the SEC, and they show no real sign of slowing down.  It's just infuriating.

Star-divide

Is it jealousy?  OF COURSE IT'S JEALOUSY.  We're talking about a fanbase that complains about the Bill Curry years as some sort of catastrophe - and he won an SEC title.  Not even an NCAA probation slowed these guys down. 

Every school has their own unique traditions: Between the Hedges, the War Eagle's flight, the Vol Navy, et cetera.  Bama's tradition is winning.  And houndstooth caps, just because that reminds them of the guy who won more than anybody. 

Would I rather be a Bama fan?  Of course not.  LSU is just boatloads more fun.  Alabama is respectable, dignified.  They are college football royalty.  We're completely unhinged psychopaths.  In the SEC Family, we're the crazy drunk uncle.  Everybody loves that guy, so long as he only trashes somebody else's house.   Well, we're coming to trash Alabama's house this week.  Hide the china.

Nowhere is the difference between the two programs more apparent than in our head coaches.  Nick Saban is a great football coach.  He wins a lot, primarily by preaching the Process.  Alabama fans love the order and discipline he brings.  Here's a guy who probably has a detailed plan on how to order eggs at Waffle House (if Saban would ever eat at a Waffle House).   Saban has fostered the image of himself a dictator, who derives about as much joy from winning as you would from brushing your teeth.  It's all part of the Process.

Les Miles can't even spell process.  He's embraced the crazy and the lunatic fringe.  Miles is also a great coach who wins a lot, but you get the sense that he's more exciting than anyone else in the stadium.  He'd high five Mike the tiger if we'd let him.  He seems to embrace that this is a game, and that all of this is fun.  Not just the game, but the whole experience - the fans, the tailgating, the pageantry.

That's the image anyway, though I suspect the two coaches are more similar than anyone would like to admit.  You don't just win by accident.  And this LSU team is loaded.  Miles also has acted swiftly and severely to punish players who break team rules.  For all of the talk of him being a Player's Coach, this is isn't Florida State under Bowden, when players would get suspended for a half for an arrest.

Also, Saban's not quite the uptight prick he wants you to believe.  He was willing to make fun of himself in that ESPN commercial where he eats a cookie off the floor.  Besides, any guy who eats an oatmeal cream pie every day can't be too evil.  He also embraces team traditions and understands he's leaving behind a legacy.  He'll never be as goofy as Miles, but I like to picture Saban celebrating in the tunnels by himself like Herb Brooks after the Miracle on Ice. Well, if I liked to picture Saban celebrating, which I don't.

But the reason the two coaches foster such wildly divergent images is because that's what we, the fans, need.  We need Saban to be Darth Saban, leading the Evil Empire of Alabama.  We need Les Miles to be the insane gambler who is just getting by on passion because, well, that's how LSU sees itself.  Even with all of the talent in the world, we are the perpetual underdog.  And Alabama will always be ALABAMA, a team worthy of our hatred, but also of our respect. 

LSU has won two national titles in the last ten years, something I never thought possible.  We are the #1 team in the nation with commentators lining up to tell us how great we are.  Yet LSU fans still look for every perceived slight, every possible insult.  It's just who we are.  We might have a great team, but we don't fully trust it.  It could all be gone by tomorrow.  Look at how quickly it all crumbled under Archer.

Alabama, on the other hand, expects to be good.  This is the natural order of things.  You don't find too many Tide fans uncomfortable with being the hunted - they expect to be on the top of the mountain, looking down on the rest of us peons. 

I don't want to be Alabama.  I want to beat Alabama.  For all of our differences, we're really not that different.  We both want the same thing, but only one of us can be the SEC Champions.      

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Wow,

I didn’t think I could get anymore hyped for this game until now. Great article man! Roll Tide!

Yes, we have thirteen....

by AlltheGreatQBs on Oct 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Great Article Poseur

Very insightful I think. Your tone mirrors my feelings about Bama. I want to beat them…but i don’t hate them….but i want to beat them.

by Zandor435 on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

13 National Titles.

…and counting.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And who says we're not unhinged psycopaths?

Ever seen an Iron Bowl?

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well REAUXL TIDE then!

There’s your flair.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um

Have you seen Bama play?
I wouldn’t be clearing the mantle for another trophy just yet if I were you.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both programs should be proud

of the effort, consistency, toughness, and football savvy they’ve exhibited this year. Class of the NCAA.

Gig ‘em, here’s to one hell of a game Saturday night.

by jagvocate on Oct 31, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Everyone needs to stop saying Alabama has 13 titles - because they don't.

If we counted the way Bama does, we’d have 7 titles. The only reason people say Bama has this many titles is because Bama fans keep repeating it, much like a political campaign.

Read any of the countless articles on the matter.

1925 – awarded in 1927 and again in 1941
1926 – awarded in 1941
1930 – awarded in 1933 and by only 1 of 7 polls ( 6 others had ND )
1934 – awarded in 1946 by Football Thesaurus
1941 – 20th in AP poll, 3rd in SEC, only ranked first in 1946 by Football Thesaurus

For those a lil behind the curve, that means Bama has 8 titles – a terrific accomplishment no doubt – but its not 13.

If we counted like Bama does, according to NCAA records, we’d have 4 more titles in 1908, 1935, 1936, and 1962.

by Xanathol on Oct 31, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

1908

Honestly, we should claim that one. It’s legit.

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by Poseur on Oct 31, 2011 2:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Why don’t we, exactly?

by TheOtherAndrew on Oct 31, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

I just make sarcastic comments and bring very little else to the table. No time to be mad, especially about a “title” from over a century ago.

"Clever got me this far, and tricky got me in"

by DrBundy on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of Bama fans (myself included)...

…disagree with the claim on ‘41. It’s ridiculous to claim that one.

by Nico2.0 on Oct 31, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And c'mon...it's State

Let ’em have their ONE conference title ;-)

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 31, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why I hate them

Not because they are often good, but because they are arrogant pric-ticles about it. Why claim a bunch of BS titles when you have 8 real titles? Why does every O’bama fan walking up the stadium have to have a “witty” word about how bad we want Saban back? You know why, because they are insecure. They know that before Saban fell in their lap their last great team was 1991. They saw it all Rolling down the toilet bowl. So now, like Penn State fans, you have to hear about all their success 600 years ago. Their very good, and will continue to be. But they are insecure about it lasting.

2-2 under Saban v. Miles. A title a piece. I for one am not a bit jealous of O’bama. If I was going to be jealous of them, I’ve have a long list of schools to look up to that have more titles than LSU – real and make believe.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Oct 31, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and you can

say the same thing right?

“They know that before Saban fell in their lap their last great team was 1991.”

Also, don’t really get the O’bama thing? Are you praising Obama for being wildly successful like alabama? Or are you saying Alabama is the first black president(cuz ill take either cause the latter gives us street cred son!)? Perhaps your stuck on the whole rhyming thing?

In and of itself nothing matters. What matters is that nothing is in and of itself. Chuck K.

by lbdasdog on Nov 1, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be here all day!

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

ammie

That is true, you have to have a good coach to win games, we went several years without one that was good. I really thought when we got Shula that we had a good one, but oh well I have been wrong before and probably will again. We really like Saban and he is an excellent coach. I hope he stays down there for years to come. But, if he leaves hopefully we can get another good one. Because as I say you have to have good coaching to win games.

by ammie on Nov 4, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly I don't see why this would bother anyone

They can claim 8, or 13, or 21, or eleventy bagillion. I worry about who the 1933 champion was about as much as I worry about Ole Miss’s 2003 SEC West co-championship.

Anyway if one of ‘em starts talking about 13 championships just say something "gee that’s nice. Just 8 or 9 more and you’ll finally catch up to Yale"

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly....just

cause teams decided around 1960ish that the only way to determine a NC was with the AP poll doesn’t mean that NC’s before that time weren’t legit.

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by bammer on Oct 31, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually

princeton is the top of the heap.

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

They give Princeton credit for an MNC in 1869, ie, the first year college football was ever played. In other words, they beat Rutgers. Crown em!

Georgia and Ole Miss are trailing that powerhouse Lafayette of Pennsylvania.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 31, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And 150+ years later,

we have Princeton Redux Boise State.

“They beat Oklahoma Va. Tech Georgia! Crown ’em!”

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

CFB Data Warehouse

I used their count to intentionally sidestep the counting issue, and it happened anyway. I do like their count, because we have 4 “Recognized” Titles, which I think is right, even though we don’t claim 1908. I like that because I live in Texas and any time a Horn fan gets uppity about their place in the college football hierarchy, I like to remind them they have just as many titles as LSU — and LSU fans are honest enough to admit that Alabama is on a level above, historically speaking.

I think if a legit third party with a vested interest in fairness and accuracy can give Bama 12 titles, then I’m good with that count. Which doesn’t mean we can’t make fun of them, because that’s what we do.

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by Poseur on Oct 31, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i did an article awhile back

looking at the reasons for why alabama claims the given titles. it’s not another defense but an examination of the problems accounting these championships over historical eras due to the many ways they have been selected over the years.

bottom line, it’s an endless argument since there is not definitive answer. the ncaa does not award a champion in the sport. my personal opinion is that if you’d like to have a better means of evaluating particular football programs, you’d do better to use the sec championship given the longevity and consistency of the conference. yes, alabama comes out far ahead but you get a much better idea of how well the other schools in the sec have done historically against each other.

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've looked into Bama's history myself

and the surrounding cfb landscape of the years, though it’s been a while and I forget specifics. There’s only one year I came up with that I thought Bama was just goofy for claiming a title.

I also found a year where I think Alabama clearly should have been awarded a title, or at least claimed one, but oddly enough, they don’t claim that one. I think it was 1966 or something. Back to back defending champs, I think, and went undefeated. Not sure what else the pollsters were looking for.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 31, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

1966

Back to back national champions in ‘64-’65. They started the the ‘66 season ranked #1 in the AP, went undefeated and untied and finished #3 behind Notre Dame and Michigan State, both 10-0-1, with the tie coming against each other. My parents are still pissed off about that one. I think it’s also a large part of the reason a lot of Alabama fans loathe Notre Dame.

by Nico2.0 on Oct 31, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

December 31, 1973 Sugar Bowl

I was there, the old Tulane stadium, and thoroughly enjoyed watching Notre Dame defeat Alabama. The SEC homerism and Notre Dame hate did not come until much later. And Bama claims that AP ’ship that was passed out before the bowl game, but they should put an asterisk behind it

Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall

by andyj on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

anyone who didn’t finish out their season with a bowl win has no right to proclaim themselves National Champion, and should therefore have an asterisk behind one that was given before all of that year’s games were finished

Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall

by andyj on Nov 3, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was the game where

Ara Parseghian intentionally played for a tie by running out the clock instead of trying to score to guarantee an undefeated season. That is why Alabama fans hate Notre Dame. It’s chicken to play for a tie instead of trying to win.

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by figtide on Nov 1, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's like kissing your sister.

"We knew we had to turn it up or we would get beat. We ripped the knob off. We turned it up so much we broke the knob." - Roy Upchurch after beating Florida in the 2009 SEC Championship Game

by bearbryantwonit on Nov 1, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

a bama fan quoting bear bryant

isn’t that odd, is it?

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Derogatory remark involving "coonass" in 1...2...3...

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

it just so happens

i’m a coonass

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-)

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

And a real one.

Most out-of-state-fans don’t really understand the definition. It’s not “anyone from Louisiana.”

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

I prefer “corndog” to “coonass” as my slur-of-choice for LSU fans :)

It’s not even overly derogatory…it just sounds funny to say out loud for some reason.

"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban

by KongAtTheGates on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just laugh at the other side on that one

Some Auburn fan plagiarized a 15-year-old internet post from an Oklahoma fan. My reaction to it has always been “um…okay?”

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 2, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...

I remember reading about the origin of the corndog thing. I never did figure out how that became so big.

It’s still funny, though- if for no other reason than the complete non-sequitur value.

Honestly I wish Bama fans had a nickname that was that funny. The best anyone seems to come up with is “Bammer”…which is really lame.

At least there are some half decent Bama fan jokes. My favorite: What do Alabama fans and Maggots have in common?

Both can live for 30 years off a dead Bear. :)

"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban

by KongAtTheGates on Nov 2, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

Bama would have 18 titles if they used the NCAA Record Book.

I do agree with you though. There was some year in the 80s or 90s where an SID decided, “We have 12 instead of 8” and everything has been brainwashing ever since.

by Purple Reign on Nov 1, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way,

I’m not trolling you guys. I don’t care how you feel about Alabama fans, but I love you guys! LSU fans are by far the funnest fans to tailgate with and I’m looking forward to partying with you guys Saturday!

Win or lose, when LSU comes to town, you’re guaranteed a great time!

by Jamie Keller on Nov 1, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's awesome

I have been trying to tell my Auburn fans this information for years, now I have written evidence

by Bamabrave4 on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be 17

There are 4 national championships the NCAA recognizes that the university does not 2 of which were undefeated season 1945 and 1966. 1975 and 1977 were both one loss seasons. In 1966 was the year that they originally split decision between Michigan State and ND because the tied so there records were both 9-0-1 and Alabama was 10-0 and went on to win the Sugar Bowl. That year neither MSU or ND played in a bowl

by DrewRTR on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize

we all know Auburn, despite many reason, aren’t self-loathing. I think the rest of us make up for it with our loath. or loathing.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 31, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this analogy...REC

and I don’t mean the red elephant club, aubies.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

strict enforcement unlike Bowden?

Miles doesn’t just suspend players for a half for an arrest. He suspends them for a WHOLE GAME!?!?!?! So much discipline my head spins haha.

Don’t confuse this as whining about Matthieu and Ware being eligible this Saturday – I want your best this weekend so y’all have no excuses when you go running home to mommy after the beatdown coming your way – I just think its laughable you claim Les Miles takes STRICT disciplinary action.

by gremlin on Oct 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

What's laughable?

It was a first offense and what offense it was remains unconfirmed.

You know, kind of like how D.J. Hall’s suspension wasn’t confirmed for longer than the first half of a game he was suddenly needed for in the second.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

It was a first offense? So Miles went above and beyond to send a message to the team?

by amiznit on Oct 31, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't it have to be?

Because if it was a second offense, they’d be out for the UA-T game as well, by NCAA rule. But they aren’t.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Oct 31, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

its unconfirmed cause

your coach refuses to give out the dirty details..just sayin. If LSU had lost a couple of games this season and this wasnt Bama week, how many games do you think he would of given them? Hint: would have been more than one.

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by bammer on Oct 31, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

well since Les refuses to disclose details..

we all are in fact talking out of our ass…

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe im a full

disclosure kind of guy. In the absence of facts or statements from Les, all we have is opinions. I am not saying Les is any more lax than say Saban, though i will say Saban puts off a more rugged vibe but im saying that there is a hint of “i need these guys to win so they’ll play” in his comments or lack there of.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm more of a fan of backing up opinions with facts.

But, as noted below, I’m also not a fan of the whole “our program is cleaner” than yours argument anyway.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not a matter of "refusing to disclose details"

it’s a matter of law. privacy concerning student records – particularly in terms of discipline and medical issues – is a legal issue as much as a policy issue for a given program. violating them will put you in hot water with everybody.

if a player is arrested, the issue is public record. but past that, a university and it’s employees are legally limited in how much they can reveal about offenses and punishments.

saban didn’t tell folks anything about calloway’s situation other than to acknowledge his arrest, miles sure as hell isn’t going further than that on a matter that hasn’t involved law enforcement.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought there were no

arrests made? Meaning Les could talk about if he wanted to.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

it means the opposite.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

coaches talk about this stuff in detail all the time, arrest or not.

Some are just more tight lipped than others. we know what the suspensions were for but Les isn’t giving details. Mind you, I can understand why. My point isn’t that he should give details, just that in the absence of them, all you can do is guess.

And as I stated below I believe we are too lax when it comes to failed drug tests.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point isn’t that he should give details, just that in the absence of them, all you can do is guess.

OK…So what? How is that different than any other program? I think Kleph just explained WHY he can’t talk about it. It’s a privacy law issue.

Saban handles these things the same way…So does Chizik. So does every coach.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we need to remember

These are still kids. Kids make mistakes.
I much prefer having the best players on the field for each team.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be FOUR GAMES

and it was for a misdemeanor, which still has not been proven. So yeah, that’s a pretty tight ship, as major Div. 1A programs go.

Matthieu and Ware? They weren’t arrested for anything. They violated team rules, and were benched for an SEC divisional matchup that wasn’t Ole Miss. Again, pretty tight discipline.

by King Joey on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey at UF

getting arrested actually gives you the starting job and an at’a boy.

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by bammer on Oct 31, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

and to be honest

im pissed about this. I think we need to hold our players to a higher standard. One game isn’t enough IMO. Failed drug test = 2 game suspension. 2nd fail = 6 games 3rd = you’re off the team.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

0 arrests
Miles doesn’t just suspend players for a half for an arrest. He suspends them for a WHOLE GAME!?!?!?!

There weren’t ANY arrests. 0 arrests. No police involvement. The last LSU player arrested was suspended for four games. For a misdemeanor.

I will await the list of coaches who have suspended players for violations of team rules for two games with no arrest or violation of NCAA rules. Please cite the news article. I’m betting you can’t find one instance of that happening at a big time program.

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by Poseur on Oct 31, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is nothing i loathe more

than the “your team is dirtier than our team” argument. let’s face it, unless you’ve recently had guys facing serious felony charges COUGHAUBURNCOUGHCOUGHTENNESSEECOUGH every program in the land is a badly stashed bong away from an embarrassing incident. and since the institutions are – by law – limited in the amount of info they can give out on these matters, it’s idiotic to cast another coach as more lenient than your own in these matters. bickering about it is just a way to piss off the football gods.

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

My point was not that Saban was super lenient and hiding skeletons in the closet, while his players are having Dionsysian orgies in which Craig James is invited to allegedly kill five prostitutes. My only point is that Miles has a “soft” rep, yet he’s been perfectly willing to issue suspensions to players who have stepped out of line.

Like I said, the two coaches are more similar than we probably think.

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by Poseur on Oct 31, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

basically

if a player steps out of line, they have a far better chance of getting straightened out inside the program than being kicked out of it. and a coach who has made a commitment to a player is obligated to give them every possible chance within reason. unless a coach has given reason to question their judgment in such cases – and it seems clear that neither miles or saban fits in that category – they deserve the benefit of the doubt on the matter no matter how upset some sanctimonious columnists wants to get over it.

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

And in the end, no matter what any of us think, coaches are ultimately hired to win games, and they’re going to be pragmatic in weighing that against discipline. Eveyr coach. No. Matter. What.

Besides, we’re talking about football. While its one thing to joke about another team’s problems, in the end if all you can do is point and laugh at what happened to an opponent off the field, chances are you couldn’t do it about what happened ON the field.

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by Billy Gomila on Oct 31, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

It’s not like the kids were busted smuggling heroine.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 2, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh...well in that case...

I’m fairly sure 5 dead hookers is under the legal dead hooker limit anyway. I think that’s like a $25 dollar fine in most states. It may be different in LA, though. You know, Napoleonic code and all.

I think you have to hit at least 7 before it’s even a felony, though.

"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban

by KongAtTheGates on Nov 2, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it Saban that suspended DJ Hall for the game against ULM

then put him in the game in the second half to save his skin when yall were losing?

What kind of message does that send? “I’ll punish you so long as the results aren’t embarrassing for the HC.”

Contrast that with Miles who obviously knew that his team would be much worse off w/o Perilloux in 2008, yet still gave him the boot, and never used that as an excuse when we sucked…

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about this part, though:
Yet LSU fans still look for every perceived slight, every possible insult. It’s just who we are.

I’m not convinced that this is true of LSU fans outside the internet message board crowd. The only LSU fans I hear whining like that are on places like TD.com, and other similar virtual personalities. The real life LSU fans I know pretty much understand the reality of big market vs. small market and just love the great attention we’re getting now.

by King Joey on Oct 31, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

But they do have a nice website and

lots of data about the efficiency of just about every player on their team.

by Displaced Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

we like to think of ourselves as a resource for anyone interested in the team. not just the crimson tide fans.

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe....

but at least we can spell.

I assume you are referring to the Retrospective article? I don’t really agree that it gives a “we beat ourselves” attitude, but rather points out the reasons for our loss(es). I hardly think that pointing out key mental mistakes, coaching mishaps and blown opportunities is taking away any credit from LSU for winning the game. The point of the article was this – Bama must avoid these mistakes this year if it hopes to avoid the same result as last year.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The article was actually a fair account of the game...

the homerism comes through in the comments section. All fan bases have them (including our own), but wow. That’s all I have to say about that.

As for commenting on the spelling in blog comments, I guess that is only slightly more foolish than me reading a bama blog and commenting on the presence of homers. (I say slightly more foolish because at least I made my comments on the LSU site, not the Bama site. And “wherein” is spelled perfectly…I just used the wrong word. So I guess your comment is directed my misusing a word…which is right, you got me there.)

Regarding “mental mistakes” costing a game…jumping off side is a “mental mistake.” The fourth down end around wasn’t a mental mistake on Bama’s part, that was a brilliantly designed and executed play. Some of those so-called “mental mistakes” are just the other team making a play. To blame the other team’s success on your team’s mental mistakes is “homerism” at its best.

Good luck this weekend. My hope is for a very well played game with the best team coming out on top.

by Displaced Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably a bit more than slightly more foolish....

but hey….you did play the “if you look up ______ in the dictionary” card…so I assumed foolish was acceptable.

Regarding the 4th down end around – no doubt, that was a great call. Couple that great call with Bama not expecting it at all (hence, the articles reference to coaching being alseep) and it worked to perfection. Furthermore, it probably gives LSU a bit of an edge this year as a similar situation will undoubtably arise.

I think the completion on the 3rd and long that sealed the game is the best example of a mental lapse. Bama’s secondary left one of LSU’s best (if not the best) receivers uncovered. This type of thing sealed our fate in our three losses, and almost did in the Arkansas game.

I don’t think USCe, LSU, and auburn all had success against Bama simply because of Bama’s mental mistakes. However, Bama’s mental mistakes in these games absolutely did pave the way to making success a little bit easier. But, that’s the difference between a good team and a great team. Last year, Bama was very good, probably not great. This year – I guess we will find out in a little over 4 days.

I’m with you – I’m hoping for a well played, injury free game. Good luck to your Tigers as well. I’m hoping when all is said and done, you guys are the ones on here playing “homer” and not us ;-)

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You could say...

The linebacker/end player responsible for contain, pinched in too much and should have held his position. You could also say (as Saban/Smart didn;t consult with me first ;-) it was a bad defensive call where they just got outcoached on that play. To me it just looked like the guy on the edge got sucked in and sealed off as a result by LSU.

Now calling that play is a GREAT example/analogy to show the different coaching styles between Saban and Miles. There’s NO WAY Saban makes a call like that late in the game – too much risk of a negative play. And just perhaps…Miles knew that which is why he called it.

To me Saban and Co. got outcoached on that play.

Now we got back in the game only to have a true freshman corner get caught out of position on the 3rd and a billion to go. That was a mental mistkae that proved to be a back breaker for us.

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting to hear
There’s NO WAY Saban makes a call like that late in the game – too much risk of a negative play.

I agree. Saban has many strengths, but what always drove me nuts as a fan when he was at LSU was how he would pack it in w/ 1:45 on the clock w/ the ball in our O’s hands before halftime. The last two games, Miles has pushed for a score before half and been rewarded w/ a TD.

There are two sides to that coin…I get it, but I have enjoyed Miles more in that respect.

by Zandor435 on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree heartily

With about 25 seconds to go and a timeout, ball on the 22, I’d expect Saban to take a shot at the endzone with a QB like Flynn, then kick the FG to win it if it’s incomplete.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean, of course, BECAUSE IT"S THE RIGHT FREAKING CALL!

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"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

If you notice, Saban usually dials up trick plays (which is a relative term in and of itself) in the first half. My guess is that his perspective is if it goes wrong, he’s still got time to make positive plays.

When he’s got little time left, it’s no huddle stuff – NOT – let the placeholder throw it over his shoulder to the kicker for the first down/win. The odds of Saban calling something like that are about 3000-1. If it does happen, you better get it on DVR because it’ll probably never happen again.

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops, my bad

Wrong play. Yes, I agree with you on that one. No TE reverse for Saban in that situation.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

i got off topic...

my response was somewhat off in the weeds and not directed at the TE play at all. I was commenting on the bi-product of the two coaches’ philosophies.

by Zandor435 on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

not talking about auburn game

I am 100% behind that call and always have been. I am talking about pretty much every other game where LSU would get the ball on our 35 w/ 2 minutes left in the half. Saban would usually sit on it. Miles pushes more.

I was saying i like that Miles pushes more.

by Zandor435 on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to take anything away from Bama fans homerism . . .

and I haven’t read the blog you’re talking about, but I think there is room for a different perspective on this:

Regarding "mental mistakes" costing a game…jumping off side is a "mental mistake." The fourth down end around wasn’t a mental mistake on Bama’s part, that was a brilliantly designed and executed play. Some of those so-called "mental mistakes" are just the other team making a play. To blame the other team’s success on your team’s mental mistakes is "homerism" at its best.

You can’t control what plays the other teams try to run. The only thing you can do is try to stop them. And the most successful way to stop that particular play would be to diagnose it immediately, which Bama players clearly did not. That is not to say that it wasn’t a brilliant playcall or execution by LSU. But in terms of what their team can do to avoid plays like that in the future, their own mental aspect of not being fooled by it is all they can change themselves.

So, yes, the Bama fans were being completely ridiculous homers (again, haven’t read it; just playing the odds here), but I don’t think pointing out mental mistakes by your team is necessarily “homeristic”.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

here's the problem

you admit it’s an arguable definition but then slide down the slippery slope to declare us “completely ridiculous homers” in our assessment. if you insist on holding us to some platonic ideal in our analysis we’re gonna ask you to do the same in your criticism.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is about stoking the flames of a rivalry on the week of the big game. So, yes, Bama fans are homers. Be proud and be loud in homerness. And no one said that there was anything wrong with it…other than you are Gump homers. And more particularly, that you are Gump homers this week.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's not the issue

the allegation is that the content we produce at roll bama roll is biased due to our allegiance to the team. i think that’s unfair and reflects a lack of familiarity with our work.

while i certainly try and focus my own posts on what i feel the team is doing well, i certainly don’t shy away from highlighting aspects of the program i feel fall short and i daresay my fellow writers on the site approach it similarly.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guess I wasn't clear enough

I hadn’t read the article, or RBR at all. I was spewing generalized slurs, slander and insults because you’re stupid Tide fans, wave laundry detergent and toilet paper in the stands, you all worship Paul Finebaum, we’re playing you this week, and I furkin’ hate houndstooth (especially with RED in it!), AND I HATE BAMA (this week)!

Better?

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

we despise paul finebaum

but the rest of that is pretty dead on.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

know what color i hate?

Purple…especially on grown men.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you hate purple

more than orange, you might want to re-evaluate your priorities, son.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

OTS has a way of turning positives into negatives that is unparallelled.
But he is just brutally honest. Last year when the national media was slobbering all over Alabama repeating, it was RTR that cooled the jets and emphasized the inexperience of the defense.

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Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

We aren

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 2, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

We aren’t homers, we just know we’re better than you.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 2, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your elephant is fat...

Love it! Have a rec tiger!

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

anyone with an opinion that you don’t agree with, is a homer? Opinions are what these effing blogs are made of 90% of the time man. Get over it.

Yes, we have thirteen....

by AlltheGreatQBs on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

To answer your question, No.

Having an opinion that differs from mine has nothing to do with Bama fan’s being homers. Seriously though, every fan base has them. In fact, I would go so far as to say that every real fan has homeristic tendencies. Its just some fan bases wear their homerism on their sleeves (or on their heads in the cases of the hounds tooth ball caps) more than others. That’s all.

So, I have nothing to get over on my end.

Good luck this weekend. My hope is for a very well played game with the best team coming out on top.

And I meant it when I said that you guys have a nice website. I actually do appreciate the efficiency analysis. Good stuff.

by Displaced Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

So its your homer opinion that

LSU won because of no other reason than X’s and O’s. I would say that mental lapses by our secondary and coaching mistakes caused the game to end in a loss. Is that homerism? Sure, is it wrong? No.

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by bammer on Oct 31, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

if your point is that we are all homers, than i agree..

but your comment above was basically saying that RBR is full of blind homers which is simply not true.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one ever said you were blind.

I have blind friends…but Homer bama fans…well, actually my best man is a Homer bama fan, so I guess I have those kinds of friends as well. Regardless, yes, I called you homers. And yes, I said that all real fans have homeristic tendencies. So, again, I’m glad we can agree on something.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm having trouble with seeing anything wrong with the term Homer.

I would expect to be called that by another fanbase. Besides, I’ve been called far worse things than Homer. If we (being Bama) win, you can call me a winning Homer ;-)

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

whats funny is he's mad because we use the word

“luck” and what not to describe other teams success against us and what do you know…There’s a huge thread of comments below talking about “luck” and teams success against LSU..

Sometimes, when you are the better team yet the oppenent beats you there is luck involved. Sometimes, its not the other team that really did anything to beat you but your own mistakes that causes those events to happen.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is mad...

And I agree…there is nothing wrong with being called a homer. As I’ve said many times, all real fans have homeristic tendencies. In other words, we all have at least a little homer in us.

My comments aren’t directed to the RBR site, which I have also repeatedly complimented as having good (if not excellent) content, but were directed to a lot of posters that attribute UA’s losses to UA’s mental mistakes without actually giving credit to the other team for putting UA in a position to make those mental mistakes (or putting themselves in position to get the lucky bounce of the ball). I defined a homer as a person who thinks so highly of their team that they can’t admit that the other team on the field won the game (as opposed to their team having lost the game).

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And sometimes

the other team is better than you and lines up and beats you (like LSU did to Bama last year).

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Figured I had to break out something special for a week like this!

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

without trent richardson for most of the game

but hey, we’re generalizing here.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another excuse?

And two years ago you won bc PP was out of the game on your TD. Right? Actually no, not right. You won the game. It doesn’t matter who was in when. A win is a win. Period.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peterson out?

So was Ciron Black, Jefferson, Dickson, and I think one of our defensive linemen. A loss is a loss. No one wants to hear who was hurt.

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by Poseur on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd forgotten about that - man by the end of the game

we were missing half of our star players. And Bama still needed refgate. ;-)

by GeauxTiger on Nov 2, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i would actually say LSU and Bama were very similar last year..

I really do feel that our biggest problem last year wasn’t ability but the mental game. We didn’t seem right till the MSU game.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

man,

I overreacted a bit. RollBamaRoll is my 2nd home. I am just ready for this game to kick off. My apologies.

Yes, we have thirteen....

by AlltheGreatQBs on Oct 31, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what we are all doing...kicking it off.

I seriously hope none of this is taken personally by anyone.

This is about getting pumped for a great game. That’s why I visited the Bama blog to begin with and why I felt like commenting over here. Kicking the crap out of UT, UF, and Auburn in consecutive weeks has been the perfect build up for this game. The only way to top beating the holy hell out those three is to beat you guys in your house. I can’t wait for Saturday.

Best of luck and enjoy the build up to the Game of the Century (This Year). Should be a blast.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

and this blog has a lot of lsu homers

particularly in the comments. a shocking development.

be realistic people. ATVS is a great site because they wear their fandom on their sleeve but don’t let that blinker their judgement about the team they love. that’s all we try to do at RBR as well..

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

"that’s all we try to do at RBR as well.."

No doubt.

Difference is I’m commenting about your homers to my homers…not your homers. Well, except for your homers that are showing up on our blog.

Regardless, good luck this weekend. My hope is for a very well played game with the best team coming out on top.

And I meant it when I said that you guys have a nice website. I actually do appreciate the efficiency analysis. Good stuff.

by Displaced Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Difference is I’m commenting about your homers to my homers…not your homers. Well, except for your homers that are showing up on our blog.

/headexplodes

1+2+1+1…

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by Poseur on Oct 31, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

hey friend...can you give some

actual quotes and back up that hilarious statement above?

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by bammer on Oct 31, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my goodness yes

they’re undefeated and never outcoached. They just make mistakes. Never any credit given to someone that actually outdid them. The author of that article is terrible about that.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 31, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

we're a bama blog

why is it beyond your understanding that we are more concerned in our analysis about what we did wrong than what the other team did right?

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by kleph on Oct 31, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we're an LSU blog...

Why is it beyond your understanding that we are poking fun at you for thinking that your team lost because of what it did wrong when in actuality it is about what our team did right?

If I cared enough to comment on the Bama blog, I would expect similar treatment and a similar line of comments…i.e., civil discourse about how you are wrong.

by Displaced Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

easy kleph

i wasn’t talking about you. you’re one of the good guys, by far. but damn you are sensitive.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you aren't a homer?

of course you are…WE ALL ARE. I think OTS and the members of RBR all agree that LSU did a lot right in the game BUT we also admit that we shot ourselves in the foot more last year than anything else.

Bama had all the talent in the world to repeat last year but due to mental mistakes and some good play by our opponents we were handed 3 loses.

I would say the only game last year where we were physically beat for 4 quarters of football and deserved to lose was the USC game. We had LSU and Auburn in place to win in the 4th quarter. Had we played our game for 4 quarters we probably don’t lose those two games..which makes the loses so much harder to get over..

#neverforget

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Homer says what?

Just like the year before we had you guys in position to win in the 4th quarter but we had a mental mistake and our all american CB went down with cramps and your coaches recognized it and called a play to your all american WR picking on our back up. Totally lucky play on your part… I mean we beat ourselves by getting a cramp…I mean, smart call by your coaches. See how that type of logic plays both ways? A homer can ALWAYS find an excuse for why his team beat itself. That’s all I’m saying. And by the way, I think your coaches made a smart call with the PP/JJ play described above. Was it bad luck that PP got a cramp…maybe. But recognizing that he was out and calling a play to take advantage of it is solid coaching. Well done.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

let me ask you this question...

Would you say that most of the time, when the favored team gets beat it has more to do with what the underdog did on the field or perhaps the mistakes the other team made that cost them the game? (I am speaking more of legit upsets than say #1 losing to #2)

I say its a little of both.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I say its a little of both" This is exactly my point...

The inability to see the contribution of the other team’s effort (or inability to give them credit) is the thing that I took exception to. And to be quite honest, its a minor thing. I was on RBR …of course posters on RBR are going to say pro Tide things. Just like you are on the ATVS site and I (we) are saying pro Tiger things. I took no real offense. I merely came back to the LSU blog and called you all a bunch of homers…again “not that there’s anything wrong with that” except that you are Bama homers. If you were LSU homers, I wouldn’t call you out so much, although, extreme LSU homers saying nonsensical stuff do routinely get called out on this site.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate to continue this stupid argument...cause it really is dumb but

It is both. You can look back at any NC run and you’ll see luck involved. Both UF and Bama needed blocked FG’s to beat far less teams. LSU had two losses and needed some help. Auburn had multiple lucky breaks; USC needed a push from Reggie to beat Notre Dame.

When it comes to losses the same thing is true. Usually the underdog needs some luck. Sure handed WR/RB’s dropping passes or out of nowhere fumbling. Dumb penalties, Lack luster performances. etc etc etc.

The better team doesn’t always win. I will give credit where credit is due. I believe when there is an upset, effort, preparation, intensity and performance is necessary. But I also believe it’s the lack of these things that causes the favorite to lose as well. It’s the combination. Bama has notoriously played down to our opponents. See LA Monroe, UT/AU in 09, a couple of times this year in the 1st half, USC last year, etc. Did those teams do a hell of a lot to cause us to play so poorly? Sure. But it’s my opinion, that had we played at our best and in the right mindset all those games end up a blowout…

But there would never be an upset if the favorite team always plays their best.

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by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, that is my point. It is a combination.

But you wouldn’t know from the things I read posted on RBR. It was mostly “UA’s mistakes” caused the loss as though the other team had nothing to do with it.

I must concede that I am basing my comments on a very limited data set bc I don’t hang out over there.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on Nov 5

Great, great read. See you guys in T-town! We wish you a safe and happy journey in, we hope that you find our hospitality to be among the best venues you will visit. Most of all we wish you an unhappy ride home. Should be a great game. Roll Tide!

by Bleedingcrimsonandwhite on Oct 31, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Enjoyed the read, S.E.C! But more importantly Roll Tide!

Can anyone think of a better match up or anything better than college football? Damn, can’t wait!!!

VANDY -- VANDY -- OH HELL YEAH!

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by crowAMO on Oct 31, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Great article

Bama will win, but this is a fantastic article. Well-written, with just enough smack talk and no real hate or disrespect. This is what SEC rivalry should be about. Roll Tide!

by kasingleton on Oct 31, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellett Write-Up

Charter member of the Tyrann Mathieu fan club
#firecraigjames

by WatsonTiger on Oct 31, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn

There’s even some flaming on ATVS. Just got back from SECRant.com……….I really think it’s about to enter apocalyptic meltdown, and it’s only MONDAY

by wadewilson on Oct 31, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Now that’s the stuff!

Being good has nothing to do with it, Mikey. They choose your name randomly out of the phonebook.

by Mr. Kobayashi on Oct 31, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you guys should wear your purple unis

I hear it is the favorite color of 12 year old girls…

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy, sparky

You seem a tad on edge this morning. You must’ve been looking at some of Bama’s game tapes this morning.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys should wear...

Your Crimson Jersey,. Tears can stain white.

by ChadP7 on Nov 1, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're clearly thinking of someone else

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Make no mistake, I don’t like LSU and I want to beat LSU to embarrassment….with that said, you gotta respect the tradition and intensity the team and their fans show. Great article.
ROLL TIDE!

by lkm4ua09 on Oct 31, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Misdemeanor?

It was a misdemeanor because, in the fine Red Stick tradition of Huey Long, your cops looked the other way.

by The_Big_Fish on Oct 31, 2011 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Heh

If only you knew how backwards that statement is.

I can’t claim any kind of insider status at LSU and I have no contacts within the program. But I have more than one inside connection to local law enforcement in my hometown. Some of the things they’ve passed along to me about that whole deal are nothing short of stunning, though not surprising if you know how things traditionally get done around LA.

I have no info to link, so I refrain from making a deal out of it on the InterWebz. But I’ll say that I was very surprised it turned out even this well for JJ, and that the stories and “evidence” must have been weaker than even any of us were guessing.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 31, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

dumbass

is dumbass

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great article!

Funny how all the fans are still arguing and raising hell below one of the most objective fan articles I’ve ever read. That, coming from a Bama fan. And just think, this time next week, one group is going to be making excuses and the other is going to be gloating, obnoxious jerks. I damn sure hope I’m a jerk.

by Slash McGurkin on Oct 31, 2011 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

"I damn sure hope I’m a jerk."

being a Bama fan, I think that’s a given ;-)

Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall

by andyj on Oct 31, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Like the articles says, we’re winners. Just like you’re used to making excuses, haha.

by Slash McGurkin on Nov 1, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate/respect

LSU for the same reason, you guys are the only team that year after year can beat anybody. Also, like us, you guys like to hit an play physical football. So, in reality, I like watching you guys destroy other teams, but hate myself for do so…

Anyways, good luck to y’all and whomever wins I hope they rep the SEC well in the MNC.

Roll Tide!

In and of itself nothing matters. What matters is that nothing is in and of itself. Chuck K.

by lbdasdog on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 AM CDT reply actions  

How to Piss Off a Bama Fan

Just talk and talk and talk. Eventually, they’ll say, “We’ve won 13 National Championships.” And now it’s over. Because you say, “name them.”

I’m sorry, but LSU has won two since I turned 21 and I blew them both out on Bourbon. How did you celebrate 92 & 09? Less fun? Yeah, I get it.

PS – 25,26,30,34,41,61,64,65,73,78,79,92.09, and a big bowl of shut the fuck up.

by Purple Reign on Nov 1, 2011 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

and eventually a rival fan

will try to denigrate that claim as if doing so somehow magically makes all of them invalid.

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by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I always just chalked it up to Alabama education

numbers are hard and all.

/sorry weak counting smack is all I had off the top of my head.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

now ask yourself

do you really want to go there?

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Been saying this for years

We really all are a lot more alike then we like to think we are

by Bamabrave4 on Nov 2, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harvey Updike

Is a little different than me. I don’t much care what other teams do on days Alabama is not playing them. When Texas hung their hopes on the fragile arm of Colt McCoy in ‘09 I was looking in to see that game because if Colt McCoy had pulled it off THAT would have been something to see. If LSU beats Alabama on any given position on any given play and/or on the scoreboard at the end of the game it’s Alabama’s fault the same way it was Alabama’s fault when they couldn’t tackle Cam Newton or block Nick Fairley last year. If the competition is better than you then you have to raise the level of your play.

Alabama can be had. I’ve seen it in almost every game this year. Short fields on short kicks (not so much long returns). Two straight drives/scores for Arky. Two straight drives/scores for Tennessee. A long completion to Ole Miss.

Turnovers? Not so many. Net 1 and you’re 2 ahead of the average. So…

Your bread and butter is running the football? I am sorry for you. Have a backup plan.

If you are good against the run you will have to prove that again.

The mobile quarterback is your very best chance. He is also the one that beat them last year and he is the one that is in their heads. Plus I’d want the mobile quarterback option on the field as much as possible against this team. He has to be throwing it mostly, but he is the one.

I like Jarrett Lee. I liked him as a freshman when he was throwing all those picks. They weren’t his fault. He was consistently behind on the scoreboard and behind the chains – throwing over the middle deep. I’d rather defend against him than Jefferson, though. Jefferson is mobile.

I hope LSU plays their very best football Saturday. May their trick plays fail, though.

Roll Tide

by Boclive on Nov 1, 2011 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Good write up Poseur.

What has been funny over the past few years reading the RBR blog is their view of Miles.

At its peak, i’d say 99% of Roll Bama Roll thought Miles to be a moron. It’s funny now watching them squirm in anxiety about how he’s turned this program into one of the Nation’s best (not that Saban hasn’t done the very same thing there, but just that it’s a surprise to them that Miles has done it here).

They still make fun of Miles, but only to take their minds off of their fear. The fear that Miles’ “wackiness” may be what throws the wrench in Saban’s “order”. LSU fans may be jealous of Bama’s wins, but make no mistake, Bama is scared of what LSU could do to them.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

This
They still make fun of Miles, but only to take their minds off of their fear.

Is just about every fanbase’s reaction to him. Fear, and not wanting to admit that maybe they judged the guy too quickly (and some of our own fans have that problem).

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this times infinity

people are backing off of their Miles is lucky meme and into cover your ass position of I Meant He’s Lucky Because He’s a Risk Taker and The Kids Like Him.

A few more years of whipping ass and they might actually give him credit for being a great coach.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

I thought Les Miles was a goof….well, I still do think he is a goof. Obviously, the man can coach. He certainly has put together a great team this year.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

This year? Miles' record stands at 70-17

Saint Nick was 48-16. Miles is uh….miles beyond Saban.

Can he goof up or appear to be a goof? yes. But he almost always hires the best coordinators and does an excellent job of recruiting and then getting the most of out his kids. And those kids love him and play their ass off for him.

I will now await my fine from the SBNation offices regarding my pun to the head of a defenseless poster.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering....

LSU was 4-7 and 3-8 the 2 years prior to Saban’s arrival in 2000, I would say Saban had i bit tougher coaching job, wouldn’t you?

Either way, I gave your goofy coach credit.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the roster he inherited? No

Saban inherited approximately the same level of talent that Miles did.

Can we please put that red herring to bed/death/never to be mentioned again?

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

This comment is so full of fail

that I am loudly guffawing.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you remember how that talent performed under Shula?

I do.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry I've completely lost what your point is

Assuming you ever had one. Is succeeding with “inherited” talent a sign that a coach is good? Or that he’s bad? Or are you just flip flopping from one to other depending on the coach – when Saban succeeds with “inherited” talent, it’s because he’s good; when Miles succeeds with “inherited” talent, it’s because he’s lucky?

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize you guys were so sensitive about Miles

Apologies.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

i believe this post is about why LSU should hate Bama...

not saying trolling or outlandish remarks should be allowed, but dont be shocked when we come to defend our team/ coach.

Even though when i read this article it made me proud of my team/ tradition and gave me more respect for LSU..

Follow on twitter @thelyell

by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with defending a coach

And I didn’t attack Saban…there’s a difference between a good give-and-take (which is the overwhelming majority of what we see here and I think both sites should be proud), and trolling.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

ill admit

yesterday I was looking for a fight..(came from a some what odd work day) Not so much today.

And sometimes its hard not to overract when you read harsh comments about your team and some general comments about the fanbase (yourself)

Follow on twitter @thelyell

by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neaux

Popular misconception. DiNardo couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag, but he could recruit pretty well. Not as well as what Saban and Miles would later do, but well. Lost in the shuffle of how Saban turned our program around (and he deserves his fair share of credit), DiNardo left him with over 20 guys who would play in the NFL.

True story.

by MikeDeTiger on Nov 1, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me...

I’m not very good at arguing over who has the better coach anyways. Furthermore I don’t care. We both have good coaches.

Refresh my memory here – auburn game…LSU could have easily kicked a fg to tie, but instead chooses to throw a pass to the back of the endzone as time runs out to win the game. What year was that?

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, time did not run out ... there was plenty of time to run that play.

What’s your point? We beat Auburn. You hate Auburn. Why are you hating on our beating your enemy.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude...

Not hating at all….loving even. I loved the outcome of that game. Did I say I loved it? Yep – I loved it.

I bring it up because it is a microcosm of Miles’ coaching style. While certainly not orthodox, it’s proven successful. I’ve said many times over the years – Miles is the luckiest coach on the face of the earth. And, in some case he is very lucky. That play in particular was a huge gamble. It paid off. I actually kinda like his coaching style. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t trade Saban for him. But, I like the calls he makes sometimes.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watch how you use that luck word around here

The homies don’t like it.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not huge, but a gamble nonetheless

Time could have expired…the ball couldve been intercepted..etc. It was a gamble. FG is the safer call. That’s all I’m saying.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Time could have expired?

Yeah, I guess. IF we were disorganized in the huddle and took too long to get to the line, and IF the receiver had bobbled the ball momentarity, and IF the referee let a couple of extra seconds tick off before stopping the clock . . . oh, wait; ALL OF THAT HAPPENED, and we still had time left after the play.

As for the INT, that’s why it’s called a “shot”; if you try to run it, there could be a fumble. If you go for the field goal, you could bobble the snap (or miss the kick). There is no “safe” play there; that’s why almost no coach would pass on another shot at the endzone with 30 seconds left to risk a FG.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

Just went back and watched it on youtube…you were right. Damnit. I guess it wasn’t that risky at all.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

LSU could have missed a field goal too

The ironic thing is, if the FG had missed, no one would have criticized Miles -it’d have been Colt David’s fault. So if he’d made the “safe” call but lost, Miles would have been above criticism. But he made a call that – and I can’t stress this enough – won the game for the Tigers, and people are still bashing him for it almost five years later.

It’s a question of whether you want to coach to win, or coach to avoid criticism from the chattering classes. The chattering classes (ie, blog commenters, ESPN talking heads) would prefer you do the latter. I have a lot of respect for both Miles and Saban in that they’re more concerned with the former.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 1, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be clear....

I’m not bashing the call or Miles.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was the year never

What you described never happened. There was time left to kick the field goal after the touchdown play, and the FG would still have won it.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said....

refresh my memory. Thanks.

My point being I liked the call. Risky as hell…sure. 99.9% of coaches would not have called it. Plus, it was awesome to see the shock on auburn’s faces and the agony of defeat.

Do I fear Miles like some have mentioned above? I wouldn’t say fear. But, there is definately an element to the game that he is unpredictable, and that definately gives LSU an edge in any game – including this one.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, almost every coach would have done something similar

The only remotely notable thing about the play (aside from it working and being a game-winner) was the fact that just about everything you could reasonably anticipate going wrong from a time standpoint did go wrong, resulting in the play ending with just 1 second left (rather than the 10 or so that should have been). That made it seem much more dramatic than it actually was.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I see.

Like I said, my recollection is foggy at best. I just remember thinking that without a doubt LSU would kick the fg.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

our kicker had been in a slump as well

I think he missed 2 from similar range in the game and the previous against kentucky.

by Zandor435 on Nov 1, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.

2007. I just went back and watched the play on youtube. Ya’ll were right…30 seconds on the clock. I guess it wasn’t as much of a gamble as I thought. So maybe I was giving ole Les too much credit for that one ;-)

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's funny to me

is that of all the actually zany, risky, and downright boneheaded plays/moves Miles has made, THAT is the one so many people point to as an example of his incompetence even though it is one of the more routine and conventional calls he’s made in a big situation like that.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The call was routine

the time it took to start was not. I think at some point Les actually said they were supposed to snap the ball with 15 seconds left – instead of the 9 or 10 that it actually was.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

people forget - Colt David

wasn’t a good kicker that year. Les plays to win – rather than to not lose.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

pre snap Billy? THat's what I've always thought.

The play itself took about 6 seconds – it’s just that the clock manager let 8 or 9 tick off.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pre-snap

I mean the play was in the huddle with a good amount of time left, and what I remember thinking was “why aren’t they (and by they, I mean the players) actually lining up.” With a 5th-year senior QB, I don’t put that on coaching.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I blame it on Crowton

Just to be safe. Heck, I blame everything on Crowton.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

But I’ve never looked at it as a bad thing. Flynn took the time to make sure everyone got it right, and still had plenty of time to make the play, even with the bobble and the ref’s delay.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be clear...

I wasn’t pointing it out as an example of incompetence…I was pointing it out as a well-timed risk – which it turned out not to be.

Maybe that one sticks out in my mind because it was an auburn defeat…and I happen to love those.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're wrong though.

Statistically, it was the least risky decision.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huntsville I see....

I was born and raised there.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice area

Crappy food. It’s grown on me though (the area, not the food).

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's ok.

I’m sure you’ve tried Wings off of Airport Rd…a can eat a plate or two of those cheesy fries.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Good place. Beauregards is good too. For my money it doesn’t get better than Hooter’s though.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

One of my requests for spending wedding gift money

Was to buy a deep fryer. My wife was like “we don’t need one.” My answer “yeah, but then we could make our own WINGS.”

She gave in.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Word.

Oddly enough…I started making all of my wings on the grill after reading the tailgate food posts on…RBR.

If you’ve never tried it…do. Healthier than frying, with a better taste than baking. It’s a good compromise.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have to try that

I do plan on picking the cooking posts back up eventually. Just been hard to find the time to cook and really chronicle what I’m doing.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Little Rosie's

Is a good place too. Kind of a unique place. A step above fast food. I agree with you though – eating in Huntsville, not a lot of great choices. I’m a little too old for it now (plus I have kids), but back in the day I thought the night life sucked in Huntsville as well.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um...Nightlife hasn't changed...Still blows

Rosie’s is really good. One of my all time favorite mexican places. Right up there with Ninfa’s (so you LSU fans know its good). Although there is no equivalent to Shrimp Acapulco at Rosie’s.

We have a Ruth’s Chris, a few local BBQ places that are money, Rosie’s, and that’s it…If I moved away from Huntsville, there would literally be no food item that I “craved” because I couldn’t get something equivalent or better elsewhere.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of BBQ

Thomas’ on 72 – the bomb. Family came up to visit us this last weekend from Huntsville, I had them stop and pick up 3 lbs for us.

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

thread officially hijacked.

I’ve lived here 6 years now and have never tried it. I know exactly what you’re talking about though. Always pass by on the way to Lowes, or the Depot…

It’s a love/hate thing around here. People either swear by it or hate it. You’ve definitely piqued my interest though. Sounds like I have dinner plans one night this week.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Hello, you would miss Tortoras!

by LaTigra on Nov 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tortoras is awesome

But I like West Main in Houma, LA better.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine, then we'll go with the 9-3 AFTER he rebuilt LSU

Still behind Miles . . . even including the years Miles had to clean up Saban’s mess.

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

/stattrollingengaged

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

You really think Miles is THAT much better than Saban?

If you think he’s better then that’s fine and everybody has their opinions, but if Les was “miles” ahead then don’t you think he’d have a better record against Saban?

And I’ll echo the folks who say Saban has had the tougher coaching jobs. Whether LSU had a lot of talent when Saban got there I don’t know, but the program was in shambles. It takes more than talent to win games. Go down the list in any given year of teams that have top 10 recruiting classes and see which of those teams are perennially in the top 10. The 2 lists don’t always overlap. It takes both great talent and great coaching to build a great program. See Auburn this year. They’ve had some pretty good recruiting classes the last few years and yet they are lucky to have won as many games as they have. It takes more than talent to play good football.

When you are turning a program around you have to reshape attitudes, teach new systems, and rebuild strength and conditioning and all of those things take time. When Saban took over at Bama he had to deal with a bunch of Seniors who were used to doing it their own way and wouldn’t fall in line. We suffered for that.

Rebuilding programs is not as easy as taking over programs that have been well run. Mike Gundy has won more games at OK St than Miles did. Do you think Gundy is better than Miles because Gundy came into a program with an already solid foundation?

by AllTideUp on Nov 2, 2011 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then are there so many more coaches that win National Championships than there are coaches who win two?

If building is so much harder than maintaining, why do so few of them get #2?

If I’m building (or rebuilding) a program, Saban is the top name on my list for sure. But if I’ve already got a championship caliber program and am looking for someone to maintain and sustain that level, I’m not so sure. I mean, 9-3 and 10-3 post-National Championship isn’t exactly bad, but does it really prove an ability to maintain? This year could finally be the year Saban breaks through in terms of proven ability to sustain excellence.

Or it might not.

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 2, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crap, make that "why are there"

Grrr. Edit function?

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 2, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saban inherited some pretty good players

At both of his last two jobs.

LSU and Alabama have always had talent.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 2, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Saban took that "championship caliber program" to 9-3

Whatever credit Saban gets for building it, Miles has done more with it than Saban did. Once he’s reached the mountaintop, Saban is a combined 19-6 (27-6 counting so far this season). Simply put, he’s a proven builder but not yet a proven sustainer. They are two very different roles, and both are very difficult. Very, VERY few cocahes have ever been able to do both.

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 2, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

I was just trying to ruffle ya’lls feathers, you know, it being game week and all.

To your point, while at Bama, Saban has gone 7-6, 12-2, 14-0, 10-3, and currently 8-0. I’ll take it – considering the level of competition in the SEC on a year in and year out basis, although admittidly, the SEC is a tad weaker this year in that regard.

Bottom line, we both have great coaches. It’s probably silly to argue over which is better. Honestly, I never considered Miles a great coach. Maybe I listened to all the “he inherited Saban’s program” a little too much. The fact is he’s coaching his (Miles’) players and they are one of (if not the, we’ll find out) best teams in the country. He has established himself as an elite coach, no doubt about it.

Geez, is it Saturday yet????

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

by nashvillebama on Nov 2, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Saban has already won 2.

One at LSU, a feat that no one else had accomplished in what 50 years prior? I’d say that that is significant.

And now he has another at Bama, which is less significant given our history and name recognition as an elite program, but nonetheless impressive.

I don’t think it is fair to say that Saban has not sustained success. His stops at LSU and Bama have both been very accomplished. His tenures as head coach have only lasted a maximum of 5 years so far though. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t at Bama a little longer than that though. If Saban all of a sudden takes a dive next year then it would be fair to say he doesn’t sustain success, but I don’t see any reason that would happen.

I still stand by the idea that building is harder than maintaining. I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t be. Building an elite program where one has never existed before has never proven easy, but maintaining one when you have achieved the perception of successful is just the nature of things. It doesn’t mean that maintaining a program is the easiest thing in the world, but I would say it is “easier.”

by AllTideUp on Nov 3, 2011 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has duplicated his personal success, but not sustained a program's success

As pointed out before, once he gets a team to the chamionship, he has yet to lead a post-championship program to less than 3 losses. Once he got LSU to the mountaintop, he took that “championship caliber program” to a 9-3 record. Miles took over that same program and went 11-2 (post-Katrina), 11-2 and back to the National Championship with 12-2. At Bama, once Saban won y’all’s championship, he took your once-again “championship caliber” program to a 10-3 mark. This year he will (most likely) lead a program that has already been built up to the level to better than 10-3 season for the first time in his career after failing twice before.

maintaining one when you have achieved the perception of successful is just the nature of things

Is that why Stallings won so many championships after ‘92? And why Bob Stoops is so highly respected for winning multiple championships since 2000? Urban Meyer, Bobby Bowden, JoePa, Tom Osborne, Dennis Erickson . . . since the Bear retired, that’s it (as far as I can tell). That’s all the guys who have won a championship with a program, and then brought that program back to win another one. And that’s pretty much the list of guys who’ve taken championship level teams back to win the school another championship, minus one: Les Miles (maybe Jimmy Johnson; can’t really remember what Miami was like between Schnellie’s and Johnson’s championship seasons).

At LSU —
Miles with Saban-recruited players on the roster: 79.2% win rate
Miles with no Saban-recruited players on the roster: 90.5% win rate
Saban with DiNardo-recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate
Saban with all Saban recruited players on the roster: 75.0% win rate

by King Joey on Nov 3, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just us, sparky

EVERYBODY thinks Miles is fruitcake.
A very lucky fruitcake, but a fruitcake nonetheless.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If calling him lucky gives you comfort

By all means, get yourself through the day. And then go home and pray you could ever be as ‘lucky’ as him.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

You gotta admit

Some of those late game time management issues could’ve easily worked against him, as well as the Tennessee game last year, and the perfect bounce on the over the shoulder fake fg.
Must be living right.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every coach gets lucky

You don’t win 70 games in 6 and a half seasons on luck alone. That’s a fact.

But again, if you need to comfort yourself by insulting the man, go ahead. Everybody has their own reaction to fear.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's not all luck

but he could easily have lost a half dozen of those games if the luck was “bad”.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

So could every coach

Not a difficult concept to grasp.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

And to think

someone upthread claimed that Bama fans had poor memories regarding negative history…

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding what, exactly?

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

like 2 blocked field goals against UT?

Was that luck or great play? I personally think it was a pair of great plays, but based on the analysis above, I guess you would call it luck.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I attribute it to the putrid TN kicking game

and luck.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

So we agree then

Every coach has their lucky breaks.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never said they didn't.

Miles just had a haphazard look of disarray at times.
But you still won-why so sensitive?
I respect Miles as a coach: he is a winner. Sometimes need a translator for his press conferences, but that is another matter.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sensitive?

I’m not the one who came here to tell us how LSU’s coach is a “fruitcake.”

But again, everybody has their own reactions to fear.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can call Saban a midget if you want

Makes me laugh.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't need to make myself feel better by insulting your coach.

Especially with something that unoriginal.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're not having fun with this game

are you?
It ain’t life and death.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm having a lot of fun

I just don’t troll people.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to troll, dude

I made a comment and you bitchslapped me. Didn’t know it was your time of the month.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what happened.

You:

It’s not just us, sparky
EVERYBODY thinks Miles is fruitcake.

The response:

If calling him lucky gives you comfort
By all means, get yourself through the day. And then go home and pray you could ever be as ‘lucky’ as him.

Obvious troll is obvious. Y

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finally, common ground.

Now, let’s get back to fomenting some real hate between the fan bases.

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our lucky coach is

2 and 2 against your genius. So, our coach is either INCREDIBLY lucky, or your genius is INCREDIBLY unlucky.

There was a lot of “bad” luck in the games you reference as well. The difference between a coach being “unlucky” or “lucky” is to good coach overcomes the bad luck with a preparation and coaching (or luck, as you guys call it).

by Displaced Tiger on Nov 1, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look, guys

We’re not the ones that nicknamed him the mad hatter.
And he was your genius before he was ours.
Thanks for that.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like Saban's luck . . .

Vs. Tennessee ’09, Oregon State kicker (who won the GROZA that year) missing FOUR extra points in ’04, hail mary to beat UL-M in ’07 (oh, wait . . .)

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

In a number of Miles’ close “lucky” wins we had beaten the tar out of the other team and they had been tremendously lucky earlier in the game. It’s the nature of the beast and ESPN (wait, are those the same?) the people focus on the last 30 seconds of the game.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

god...what a homer :)

/ducks at all the corn dogs being thrown at him.

Follow on twitter @thelyell

by bammer on Nov 1, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you two quotes. Guess which program each came from

Quote A: "There are times as the coach that you enjoy the enthusiasm of your team, " ____ said. “If you can’t recognize youth, happiness and the want to play and if that doesn’t make you smile, for me that is not right. We get up early as coaches and go in early and work until late. At some point in time, it is time to play. Playing denotes something that you need to do, and at some point, it needs to be fun.”

Quote B: “At [university], we are not about fun.”

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 1, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ridiculously revisionist slant you guys are taking RE Miles.

Came over to embrace the hype and just came across this and had to weigh in: I cannot let these comments slide on Miles. Don’t make this out like it was just Bama fans making fun of Miles when he came to LSU. LSU fans were the worst at trashing him!!! I always thought Miles was a good dude and it was to the point where I actually felt sorry for him as I anticipated you guys just eating him alive. I have a solid six of my best friends who went to LSU, and they absolutely trashed the guy every chance they got until about last year, lightheartedly teasing that Saban hated Bama, was coming back to LSU, etc. It was even worse on the message boards, so do not even try to make it sound like you guys have been behind him since he arrived in BR.

The truth of the matter is, I think, is that both fanbases were right. I do think he was in over his head his first couple years at LSU. Over and over you saw an incredibly talented LSU in situations they didn’t need to be in, where they needed some ridiculous gamble/ miracle to win a game that talent alone should have won by halftime. The time management miscues? You guys crushed him over all of this. Anyway, I think he has really grown into his own shoes and become an elite SEC coach, but please don’t be delusional enough to imply LSU stood behind their guy while everyone else trashed him, and how right LSU was all the time.

by thatthang on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you for revising how I acted and talked

I had no idea my memories of my actions and some friends actions were completely wrong.

I will give you that some LSU fans were assholes. Hell, they are still assholes about him. You won’t find me flying the flag for the LSU fanbase as a whole (cepting that we party better than those smug assholes at Oxford who think they’ve never lost a party).

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but....

Fair enough response. Believe it or not, I intended to add a sentence addressing exactly this, pointing out that I obviously cannot presume to know how anyone here specifically felt.

With that being said, I think you must admit that this was more than a case of ‘part of the fanbase’ like we always use when a vocal minority is acting like idiots. Would you not agree that the majority of the LSU fanbase was at least marginally dissatisfied with Miles, and thought that he was maybe a little over his head, his first few years? If we cannot agree on that point I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Anyway, this isn’t even a slam of LSU. I think he left most people in this country wondering in some of those just bizarre games. And it’s not a slam on Miles either- I love the guy. Like I said I think he has really grown into a top tier coach, and he is a likeable guy.

by thatthang on Nov 1, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, not his first few years

Many were questioning the hire when he was first announced, and many more jumped on the bandwagon after the Tennessee game (idiots, and many of them have been too stubborn to ever get off). But after 11-2, 11-2 and (especially) 12-2 National Champs, the vast majority of the LSU fanbase was solidly on Miles side. It wasn’t until 8-5/9-4 that the naysayers became a truly significant portion (in terms of actual numbers). And even then, it was a minority by a pretty significant margin (imo).

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

to be fair

after the Ole Miss debacle w/ the clock problem, many were foaming at the mouth. If i would say as much as 50% of the fan base by my recollection.

by Zandor435 on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks Zandor. That’s all I was trying to say, that I think those on here trying to paint a picture where (most) Alabama fans incorrectly slammed Miles while (most) LSU fans defended him are being extremely untruthful to both themselves and the rest of this board.

Doesn’t matter now, though, does it? Both fanbases appear to be happy with their coach and both programs are rolling. Roll Tide and may the better team win Saturday!

by thatthang on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Immediately afterwards, maybe so

but after the initial rage wore off, I seriously doubt close to 50% actually wanted him gone. As for “marginally dissatisfied”, I don’t know how to quantify that. There are Bama fans I know who were “marginally disatisfied” with Saban last year.

by King Joey on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get ready for a warning. :-)

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

“I do think he was in over his head his first couple years at LSU.”

I will disagree with this. Miles’ performance during the 2005 season was the best coaching job I have ever personally witnessed by any LSU coach, during any year. What he did under those circumstances, in his first year on the job, was nothing short of remarkable.

Miles’ major gaffes actually came a little later, specifically the two hollow classes including no offensive line recruits, which led to disastrous offensive performances during the 2008 and (especially) 2009 seasons. He also made a terrible call with the co-defensive coordinators in ’08.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

the oline issue

is the underreported story on the team in those years – it wasn’t just losing Perilloux – it was a lousy offensive line that hurt the team.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that

I blame on Stacy Searels mostly (who is generally well thought of by a lot of people, but not by me). His last couple of recruiting classes with Saban and Miles had a lot of washouts.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a similar complaint

With Bo Pelini and LSU’s defensive recruiting his last two years as well.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billy

Off topic… I’ve had this idea for a while now…maybe it doesn’t merit discussion during such an exciting season…

You should do a post on our coaching staff. It seems that we not only have a good bunch of guys, but most of them will be staying in their current positions for a while.

Chavis at DC is not a threat to move on. And Krags will likely be at LSU for a while in some capacity. Given the success of the offense this year, I’d say it’s unlikely that we try to replace Stud, but at the same time you’ve got to wonder how hot of a commodity he really is?

it seems like we’ll have our staff in tact for a while.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Word.

It just seems out of the ordinary to have such a good staff that will likely not be trying to move on to HC positions.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think a few of them may move on eventually

But this offseason should be fairly quiet in that regard. I may rehash the coach hiring guide once that carousel gets up and going again though, just for other fans.

/staythefuckawayfromFrankWilsonTulane

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kragthorpe is a very good coach

But he had a head coaching opportunity at Louisville and it didn’t work out. You don’t see a lot of failed 1st time head coaches get another shot unless it’s at a lower level.

Some guys just aren’t cut out to be a head coach, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t good.

by AllTideUp on Nov 2, 2011 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're talking more the other assistants

Not Kragthorpe. The guy has Parkinson’s Disease as well, we’re just hoping his health is good enough to stick around as an assistant for a while.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 2, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ask UGA fans about Searels and his great Oline coaching ability...

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

YUP.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree Billy

Searels dissapointed. Isn’t he at UGA now?

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

thread read fail

hadn’t gone this far down. Yep, he’s been dissapointing there too.

by GeauxTiger on Nov 1, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

O LINE

It was staggeringly bad in 2008. Line play doesn’t grab headlines, but it absolutely wins or loses games. Look at how our running game has looked without Lonergan in there.

I’m sure this will bring out the oversigning trolls, but LSU had devastating attrition on the lines for a few years. It clearly hurt the program.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Nov 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean 2009 right?

In 2008 we had a very legit running game. Not sure what kind of pressure we let get to the QB’s but I don’t remember them running for their life.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 1, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is also one of the biggest reasons for alabama's

offensive success this season. there were a lot of questions about the specific roles people would play in the OL going into 2011 and many of the offensive problems in the Kent State and North Texas games were due to experimenting with different people in different spots. but the group the coaching staff settled on has performed very well since then.

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

OL recruiting can be very tough

It only takes a few players washing out for a team to suddenly be a lot thinner than a coaching staff is comfortable with. In LSU’s case, they basically had 2 recruiting classes worth of guys fail to pan out (or transfer to other programs when they didn’t play early).

That led to the 09 line, which was one of the worst in recent school history.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

miles does some crazy stuff that has earned him a reputation

as a loose cannon. but anyone who has watched his career stretching back to oklahoma state knows he’s a coach who competes at the highest level of the sport. you don’t put together that long a resume on luck and happy thoughts alone.

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

But that’s clearly pretty hard for at least one poster in this thread to acknowledge.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not me

I already acknowledged as much on this thread. It’s possible “thatthang” expressed what I was saying much more clearly and with more evidence.
I never said he was all about luck.
Wasn’t expecting such defensiveness, but what the heck, it’s your house.
Apologies, all.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do I really have to refer to your first comment again?

I would think the trollish nature of it would be pretty obvious by now. If you didn’t mean it to be, that’s fine. But you could have cut that off a dozen comments back and didn’t.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, dude.

I thought it was a pretty harmless comment. I didn’t know anybody was gonna take it personally.
But, like I said, it’s your house.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still think Miles is goofy.

I don’t say it out of fear. I don’t fear any team or any coach. There are many good coaches out there who have the ability to beat Bama/Saban on any given day and Miles is one of those coaches, but Miles is still goofy nonetheless.

Given many of the things he has said and done I don’t really know how anyone comes to any other conclusion. If Miles was our coach I would say the same thing. How many of your coaches in high school were a little goofy or crazy or did something stupid from time to time? It’s not like Miles is the only goofy coach out there.

I think the only thing that any of this proves is that you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be a good football coach.

by AllTideUp on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Growing up in Oklahoma

and with family from both Us, I reckon you gotta give OkSU the insecurity crown. Especially since Les came here. I’m pulling for the Pokes to win out.

by CeeDave on Nov 1, 2011 8:24 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

the best reason to hate bama

The best reason to hate Alabama is they openly choose to ignore any period of time they weren’t successful.

by secfan125 on Nov 1, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll never forget the Mike Dubose loss to Houston Nutt

at Arkansas. That Alabama team quit. I regard the Dubose years as the worst in the last fifty years.

Only thing that really hurt us under Mike Shula was play-calling. He may have had other faults but if he could have called a counter or a draw at the appropriate time he could have won a lot more games than he won.

I only go back to ’61 personally. What period of failure am I missing?

by Boclive on Nov 1, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen...

It seemed as if the year Langham got busted kicked of a series of pain and suffering ushered in with the Dubose era. That was ground zero for us and the ripple effect took more than a decade to resolve.

Nightmare. Now my loathing of Tennessee far outweighs any other team. Therefore I do find some satisfaction of the situation they are currently in as we had to live through that and now get to witness them going through a football season knowing that there’s a 95% probability they will lose to a “good” SEC team. Pure sweetness.

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

if you would like to discuss the ears whitworth era

we’d be more than glad to oblige you. but you’ll have to humor us with tales of dinardo’s reign in baton rouge in return.

Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All

by kleph on Nov 1, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

long as we don't discuss He Who Must Not Be Named

after that it’s pistols at dawn.

nemo me impune lacessit

by LSUJOSHUA on Nov 1, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nicely done, Poseur.

Rather than irritate me, you’ve reminded me how good it is to be a Bama fan, and also reminded me of what I like about LSU. Here’s to a battle for the ages on Saturday.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
-Adam Savage

by DMaguire27 on Nov 1, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Very nice post!!

This game has created that gut wrenching uncertainty that comes with two very good teams with very little weakness.

Both play the same style, have great coaches and great athletes. It’s just a matter of who flinches first and then it’s over. I don’t see this being a rally from behind to win it type of game.

One team (either a coaching call or lack of execution on one big play) is going to make a mistake and that’s it. Game over. I just hope it’s not us.

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Nov 1, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

TROLLZ

I’ve gotten to go to two games in Death Valley in the post-Saban era—and man, were they awesome. One Bama won, one LSU won. The fans were awesome in both.

Of course, after the one where Bama won, a GIANT bro in a yeller Polo came at me, and my LSU friends had to be like “no! No! No hitting!”

(But I love the dedication).

Never quit. It is the easiest cop-out in the world.

by gorjus on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Speaking of GIANT

Has anybody seen who is this week’s Gameday guess picker? Hint: he’s black ops.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

this Bama fan loves LSU - Best Gameday/Gamenight Atmosphere on Earth

I love Bama more because it is in my blood, born and raised in Ttown and my father played for Bama. I always root for the Tigers except when we play one another. I’m still wallowing in the afterglow of last week’s great beatdown over Audumb. I do NOT obsess over any championship other than the one currently under contention. I loved Coach Bryant and wept like a baby, standing on the curb at BDS as his funeral went by, one last bus ride up to Birmingham. I went to the LSU/Auburn game in BR after Dinardo had lobbied successfully for the return of the white home jerseys – what a great game that LSU won that night. And there is one very special thing LSU has that Bama never will, and I would trade all the houndstooth in Tuscaloosa for one, no make that two days in Gulf Shores with . . . Those glorious Golden Girls! Oh, yeah, and your band kicks our band’s ass more often than not, but we’re getting better. Good luck Tigahs other than Saturday.

Well, whaddayaknow? It IS Saturday!

by Grampaw Fug on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall

by andyj on Nov 1, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Read

im a bama fan and i enjoyed reading that good job!

by BeavisXtreme on Nov 1, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm amazed...

At how much this thread has blown up between LSU and Bama fans. I’m not reading through all of it by no means but this is what this week is all about! Enjoy it fellas, and GEAUX TIGERS

by ChadP7 on Nov 1, 2011 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Missed?

This thing keeps growing…

2011 LSU Accolades:

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Nov 2, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Make no mistake. I want Alabama to shut LSU out. 52-0. It won’t happen, but still.

However, if we do get beat (I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened), you’d be hard pressed to find a bigger LSU fan come January, 2011.

by ReedlyDeedly on Nov 2, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Alabama is gonna kick y'alls sorry asses.

That is all.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 2, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

LSU Fans

Love this: “Would I rather be a Bama fan? Of course not. LSU is just boatloads more fun. Alabama is respectable, dignified. They are college football royalty. We’re completely unhinged psychopaths. In the SEC Family, we’re the crazy drunk uncle. Everybody loves that guy, so long as he only trashes somebody else’s house. Well, we’re coming to trash Alabama’s house this week. Hide the china.”

Great article! Can’t wait for the game!

by klowrytx on Nov 2, 2011 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

AWFUL

Seriously, I was okay with this article until these two lines… “Alabama is respectable, dignified. They are college football royalty.” Are you serious? I want the author of this article to walk around Bryant-Denny stadium ALONE after the game (win or lose) if you think Alabama is respectable and dignified. In 2005, Alabama fans told me prior to the game that “the Tide is going to finish what Katrina started!” That would be like me going up to Bama fans this year and telling them, “the Tigers are going to finish why the tornado started!” Two years ago , my wife and I were nearly attacked by an angry mob. Not to mention, the team itself has a long tradition of cheating and NCAA violations. Also, you make no mention that LSU has an 8-3 record against Alabama since 2000. So say it how it is, they have a long and respectful tradition of winning, they have a storied football history that is envied nationwide, winning means a lot to the Alabama community etc. but words like ‘respectable’, ‘dignified’, ‘class’, ‘royalty’ should never be used to describe that team, those fans, and that University. But it’s a great article to inflate the typical and already overly-inflated Alabama fan’s ego. Cmon, is this really Paul Finebaum writing this article under a different alias? Get real – ‘LSU fan’.

by thelitch on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 AM CDT reply actions  

This is your first comment?

Interesting.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Nov 3, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Yes, it was my first post and interestingly enough this response is now my second post.

by thelitch on Nov 3, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is only one.....BAMA!!!

“I don’t want to be Alabama. I want to beat Alabama. For all of our differences, we’re really not that different. We both want the same thing, but only one of us can be the SEC Champions. "….. Well thank you for that article… however I am Alabama, I enjoy being Alabama and yes there can only be one SEC Champ… its okay LSU…. we got this one… but thanks for playing Roll Tide!!!

by christyjanewoodruff on Nov 3, 2011 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

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