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Some Questions and Answers about this Team Moving Forward

I still haven't figured out why Jarrett Lee was trying to pump up the crowd during our offensive series, but I do appreciate his enthusiasm. (Photo by Stacy Revere/Getty Images)

In lieu of the fact that work continues to slay me into submission and thus I have been unable to devote as much time as I'd like to both in-depth game reviews or finishing up the Better Know a Freshman series, I figure I should at least try to contribute something to the stellar content being put out by Poseur, Billy, and Pod Katt. I'm a mere pauper in the presence of such blogging royalty. Things seem to be settling in (finally, hopefully, please God let them be), so hopefully I can get back to being a more frequent contributor and commenter starting, well, now. Alas, the Kentucky game is mostly in the rearview, and since I only have shoddy video via ESPN3 to re-watch on, I couldn't even devote the type of energy to re-watching that I would have liked for a proper review. Suffice it to say, an underwhelming offensive performance and LSU still rolled by four touchdowns against an SEC foe. It's often said that good teams find ways to win football games. I say great teams have the flexibility to win football games in a multitude of ways.

The 2011 LSU Tigers may be the best, most well-rounded team of the Les Miles' era (well, the 2005 team may be the best that never quite was for various reasons). Yet, this team still shows areas of much needed improvement (concern would be too harsh a word) in many facets. Over the first five weeks, LSU has looked like a flat-out dominant football team, cruising to victory each week, never leaving the game up to a Les Miles' timeout blunder or needed 4th quarter comeback. In fact, we could have benched all of our starters in every 4th quarter this year and still won every game by double-digits. That's the type of season it's been thus far. But, the great teams find ways to improve every single week, and Les Miles and co. should be analyzing our weaknesses aggressively as the season progresses. So what are some question marks moving forward?

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Is there a quarterback "controversy?"

No. There's seemingly a million talking points regarding this subject. Honestly, there's not an LSU fan without an opinion on the matter regarding who should be starting, whether or not who actually is starting is who should be starting, whether or not bringing back Jefferson was a good idea, and what exactly the future holds for the position.

I fall back to a few things. Namely that Les Miles is fiercely loyal. It's a trait that has been agonizingly true at times. One that even Les himself says may be his greatest weakness and strength. He towed the company line on Malleveto, even to the point of allowing them to exit "gracefully." Same with Gary Crowton. He stuck by Jordan Jefferson despite often revolting criticism from some members of the fanbase. He loves his guys, and he'd go to war for them. This is the primary reason I don't expect to see Jarrett Lee suddenly moved back to the bench for Jordan Jefferson.

Regardless of what actually happened with Jefferson, Lee was given the reigns to the job. They've spent five games now building up offensive chemistry and timing with Jarrett Lee, and they are now entering the meat of their SEC schedule. Why make a change? Let's be honest, it's not as if Jordan Jefferson is Andrew Luck returning here. If he is better than Lee, it's only marginally so, and Lee's performance thus far hasn't given Les any reason to really consider sending him back to the bench.

Secondly, Les would be downright foolish to simply store Jefferson on the bench and never use him. First of all, he needs to get snaps in case of a Lee injury. Sure he's experienced, but you want to make sure he remains sharp and focused. Additionally, though JJ was thought of as more of a pocket passer coming out of high school, he's actually shown marked improvement as a runner since his freshman year. JJ operating out of the spread, in a downhill rushing attack makes our running game only more potent. In 2010, Lee was often used to jumpstart the passing game, which seemed to cause some issues with the overall flow and direction of the offense. If Kentucky is any sign, Jefferson is the much better "change of pace" QB option for LSU. His play will be important to this team as the year wears on.

Should we be concerned about the offensive line?

Coming into the season, the offensive line was considered one of the pure strengths of this team. There's experience and depth. A couple of dings and nicks later, some minor concerns seem to be arising. LSU struggled to run the ball in the 1st half against both of the SEC teams they faced (neither of which are top-notch defenses in the conference). I said it last year, and it's a favorite phrase of Rex Ryan, "Ground n' pound and wear them down." It's something Miles enjoys doing as well. But does this team really live up to that ideal? Let's go to the numbers:

Oregon

1st half: 5.0 yards per carry
2nd half: 4.74 yards per carry

Mississippi State

1st half: 3.2 yards per carry
2nd half: 4.86 yards per carry

West Virginia

1st half: 4.41 yards per carry
2nd half: 5.86 yards per carry

Kentucky

1st half: 3.52 yards per carry
2nd half: 4.44 yards per carry

On average, LSU is right at 4.5 yards per carry a game. With the exception of the Oregon game (which was already a half yard over their typical average anyhow), they've improved (dramatically so) in the 2nd half of every major game thus far. What does this tell me? It says to me that this really is a team that flat out wears opponents down.

Andy Staples wrote a nice piece a while back about how Oregon may have created a monster, because this is now the most well-conditioned football team in the country. This backs that up. Watching the Kentucky tape, there are concerns regarding the interior line play and their ability to get a push off the ball. I've been disappointed in the play of PJ Lonergan this season, after being so impressed with him last year. The guard positions have rolled through a lot of turnover, and it wouldn't shock me at all to see La'El Collins get a real shot at significant PT if they don't improve.

Yet, it's still apparent that with this line and these backs, LSU mercilessly bludgeons opponents until they can take no more. Few teams in the country can seamlessly rotate through running backs like LSU can. It takes special players who lack selfishness to pull it off. And LSU has done it well.

Should we be concerned about the offense?

This is a tough question to answer. The offense has looked tremendous at times. They rank 19th in scoring, averaging 38 points a game (that's a respectable number that's somewhat inflated by the performance of the defense and special teams). Obviously this offense isn't nearly as bad as what we've seen trotted out since 2008. But I do still have real concerns.

Rueben Randle, for all his talent, doesn't seem to be a true no. 1 (more on this later). Lee, while doing a good job of playing within himself and minimizing mistakes) is erratic and inaccurate. He hasn't made any mistakes that have blown up in our faces, yet when I see highlights of players like Aaron Murray and Tyler Bray throwing their WRs open, and putting their players in position to catch and run, I can't help but think of the continued weakness at the position. Lee's ball placement leaves a lot to be desired. Is that nit picky? Perhaps. Even still, teams like Alabama aren't going to give him huge windows to throw it in, he needs to be more effective. There's been multiple times this season where he's short armed throws (falling backward) or thrown them high (this happened a lot last weekend).During the Kentucky game, Andre Ware mentioned that he would like to see Lee "flatten out his throws" a bit, specifically regarding a toss he made to Russell Shepard that brought him up into the air and bounced off his finger tips. Shep had position on the defenders, and if the ball is laid out in front of him, nearer to the hash marks, it's probably an easy touchdown. Instead, it's incomplete and punt. Those are the throws I'd like to see him make. Then again, downfield passing is his primary weakness.

Against SEC defenses, our offense is only averaging 23.5 points a game. True, we didn't need any more than that, but it's still slightly concerning that the two games we've struggled the most offensively have both come against SEC foes. I'm not saying Kentucky is a better team than Oregon, but SEC teams are built differently and more prepared (both through experience and recruiting) to defend us than say Oregon or West Virginia. When you attach that to the talent of a Florida, Alabama or even Auburn and Arkansas, I think it's apparent this offense needs to improve and be capable of scoring more points.

Who is the best WR on this team?

For my money, it's Odell Beckham Jr. I love Rueben Randle and everything his pure physical talent brings to the table, but when it comes down to it, I'm putting all my money on red (Beckham) and rolling the dice. I love everything this kid is bringing to the offense right now, from his dependable hands to his crafty route running to his explosiveness after the catch. I credit Beckham for the development of LSU's passing game as much as any one else. When is the last time LSU had a WR with the ability to pluck and explode in the open field like Beckham? It's been a long while, that's for sure. He's a special player.

Are the linebackers a concern?

I said pre-season that I wasn't entirely concerned about this unit. In fact, I went as far to say that LB may be the least important position on the field, and I'm going to stick to my guns on that assertion.

To date, the linebacker play, outside of Baker, has been spotty, at best. We've been fortunate to be able to spend a lot of time operating out of the Mustang or other DB heavy packages, that limit the number of LBs on the field to two. In fact, on any given play you'll see a rotation of Hatcher and Minter. Hatcher is the supposed "coverage" LB while Minter is more of your classic, downhill run stuffer. Trouble is, Hatcher continues to struggle in coverage. He often gets washed out of the play. He did make a superb play against Mississippi State, but he was routinely out of place vs. Kentucky.

Some teams have had success picking on the shallow middle of our defense. Defending crossing patterns may continue to be a sore spot for this team. Fortunately, our stellar pass rush and solid tackling has prevented this from becoming a larger issue, to date.

I've said on here before that I thought Kelvin Sheppard was a better leader than football player. But Kelvin Sheppard would be a tremendous upgrade over any of the other guys we're currently pairing with Baker. Let's hope these guys continue to develop.

What's with the kickoff coverage?

I'm still not overwhelmed with our kick coverage this year. The depth on kickoffs seems to be remotely improved by the insertion of James Hairston into KO duties, but our coverage still concerns me. Even Kentucky was able to return the ball past the 35 at least once, possibly more. That's bothersome. Teams with more explosive returners (Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn) could really take advantage of this.

On a side note, Alfred Blue has taken over the "My name is Daniel Graff and I kick ass on Special Teams" position. He seems to make every single tackle. I love seeing that.

Are we better than Alabama?

When you look at the rest of the schedule, isn't this the only really scary game left? Sure, Florida has a ton of talent, and by no means should the players overlook it, but with their QB out and a true freshman (who has been pitiful in every appearance this year) making his first start in Tiger Stadium, I like our odds.

Arkansas has a scary offense, but their defense continues to take a beating via injuries, and this was a unit that wasn't particularly strong from the outset.

Auburn's offense frightens me a bit, but the game being in Tiger Stadium makes me feel better. Plus, they couldn't stop a slow-drip leak. 

So that leaves us with Alabama, who is currently our co-no. 1. Yet, for all my concerns regarding Lee, they are multiplied by 10 for Alabama. A.J. McCarron is nothing more than a warm body. Perhaps that's all they need with Richardson toting the rock, but with LSU's outstanding rush defense, they can force Bama to have to make completions to win, and I'm not sure A.J. has that in him... not against this secondary. Sure, the game is in Alabama, so that does tilt the odds in their favor slightly, but I still really like our chances in this game. I feel like we are the better team, and I'd fall back upon the dominance of our resume to date to win that argument.

Overall, this is one hell of a team. Enjoy the ride, because this has the makings of a truly special season.

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If Jefferson were white, I honestly believe...

Haha just kidding.

Good writeup, couple of things…

1- You’d take the 05 team over the 06 team? In my opinion the 06 team was the most loaded team we’ve had recently (although this one is pretty close, just a weakness at QB).

2- “It’s not as if JJ is Andrew Luck.” According to Christ Mortensen, he’s in the same category with him and Landry Jones. That was one of the more intriguing quotes of the off-season, and one reason I want to see what Jefferson can do throwing the ball. This isn’t coming from Miles, this is coming from a neutral analyst watching JJ in a PRACTICE situation (and correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t he generally been an underwhelming practice player?).

3- Definitely agree that JJ as a change of pace is much better than JL was in the same role last year. I don’t think you can bring in a “passing” quarterback as a change of pace.

4- As far as the offensive line…I haven’t re-watched any of the games or anything, but on first showing T-Bob has looked HORRIBLE. In…I believe it was the WVU game, when Ford broke a TD about 20 yards to the left side, he had to dodge T-Bob’s man 2 yards deep in the backfield. And that seems to be more the rule than the exception.

5- When are we going to see La’el Collins? Why haven’t we seen him so far?

6- Disagree on Randle/Beckham. Randle is much more consistent and reliable. Beckham has had two long catches, but Randle (when the QB’s are playing well) is a legit #1 in my mind.

7- Lee vs. McCarron, who’s better and why? Haven’t seen McCarron enough to know.

by Squash on Oct 6, 2011 1:05 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL
If Jefferson were white, I honestly believe…

I was like, OH NO!!! It’s spread to another damn thread!

haha classic!

2011 LSU Accolades:

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

by LSU Jonno on Oct 6, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know,

As much as all of this JJ/Lee crap seems to be dividing the fan base, so far it feels like it’s actually uniting the players. How fuckin’ (OH SHIT I’M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY FUCK) great is that?

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billy

I would read this blog more if you didn’t…

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 6, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got 1700 comments

he’s just trying to keep your family together.

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully that came across tongue in cheek

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lulz

1 – It’s damn close. Both were unbelievably talented teams. Obviously in 06, Bowe and Jamarcus came into their own, so the offense was more dominant, but the 05 team also had Joe Addai, as well as Whitworth and Claude Wroten. I feel like ‘05 had a MNC run spoiled by Katrina/Rita, whereas the ’06 team just flat didn’t get it done on the field.

2 – Everyone was really high on JJ after that camp performance. Hell, even Andre Ware this past weekend was saying he watched JJ throw during warmups and “it’s something to see.” He commented on how live the ball comes off his arm. JJ has always had a better arm than Lee. He struggles with the short passing game and holding on to the ball too long. I’m anxious to see him throw it around some this year. Selfishly I wanted him to throw against Kentucky, but Les is gonna keep that card in his pocket until it’s the right time to play it.

4 – None of the interior guys have stood out, unfortunately. I’d like to see Collins get a shot in there.

7 – I’ve seen bits and pieces of A.J. and while Lee doesn’t blow the doors off anyone, he just doesn’t impress me at all. JMO.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lee vs McCarron

I’m a Bama fan and although McCarron’s not been setting the world on fire he’s a little more than a “warm body”. He’s slightly better than Lee In every statistical category, with exception of TD, Int, and sacks. However, both of McCarron’s Int’s were in the first game, and only one was his fault. So you maybe under estimating him a little.

Can’t wait for the match up on November 5. RTR

by ironoxide on Oct 6, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

definitely agree

I have watched AJ. He is waaay more efficient and accurate than lee. it is anecdotal, but i think AJ is way more composed. That being said, I hope he falls apart under the fear of Tyran.

by Zandor435 on Oct 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tyran

He’s a freak, reminds me more of the Tasmanian Devil than a Honey Badger.

by ironoxide on Oct 6, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just my opinion...

And I don’t hold Lee in particularly high esteem. McCarron is okay. He’s yet to face any real challenging defense, IMO.

Regardless, both guys are more operators than playmakers.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i fundamentally agree..however

when has saban ever had a playmaker at qb. that isn’t his strategy. He just wants someone to run the offense.

by Zandor435 on Oct 6, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manager

Saban’s definition of a solid QB:
Manage the game, be efficient when asked to pass, and DON’T make stupid mistakes.

by ironoxide on Oct 6, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

is Rohan Davey the most dynamic QB he's ever had?

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easily.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, let me specify that a little

Davey is the only QB I’ve ever seen him trust to actually BE dynamic.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he wasted a year of Davey

sticking with Booty.

One of Saban’s only and biggest flaws is that he has no idea what to do with/evaluate quarterbacks.

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's also an asshole

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you feel that way

when he won a NC for LSU? You’re the asshole.

by ohiobamafan on Oct 7, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I felt that way when he interview with the Chicago Bears

and lied about it after the fact. Go fuck yourself.

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 7, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't feel that way until

After accepting the Job at Bama he felt the need to take credit for Les Miles’ success and threw LSU under the bus.

Unlike Les Miles, who just talks his way out of questions he doesn’t want to answer, Nick Saban chooses to Lie so, yea I lost a lot of personal respect for him.

LOVED that he brought us a championship. Thanks for the memories, so happy with the Hat!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 8, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points

I agree with most completely. I share your concerns chiefly with the KO team; if not for players like TM7 or Blue there would have been huge returns all season. It’s definitely something to watch vs FL, because I think they believe they have an advantage here.

by Howard Green on Oct 6, 2011 5:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Florida will be a big test on STs for us.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Running backs

You ain’t kidding about selfless. not much is being said about the way Miles has manages a rotation of two primary running backs, getting two other guys touches, and mixing in Shep. All without complaint from any of these guys.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Oct 6, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

It's really great.

Ware has the ability to be a Heisman type contender if he was given 25-30 touches a game, and instead he’s seeing 15-20. Ford himself could probably put up big numbers, but again, the limited touches. And there isn’t an ounce of complaint or tension between any of them.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think Ware is an excellent back, but not Heisman material, at least not yet. Here are the stats, which of course don’t tell the whole story, but for sake of comparison they have to do. For the record, I don’t think Richardson should be in the Heisman talk yet either.

LSU
Ware 81 rushes 323 yards 3 TD’s (3.99/Avg)
Ford 61 rushes 322 yards 6 TD’s (5.28/Avg)
Combined 142 rushes 645 yards 9 TD’s (4.54/Avg)

Bama
Richardson 96 rushes 622 yards 10 TD’s (6.48/Avg)
Lacy 46 rushes 397 yards 5 TD’s (8.63/Avg)
Combined 142 rushes 1019 yards 15 TD’s (7.18/Avg)

by ironoxide on Oct 6, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on a minute

…When did education have anything to do with SEC Football?

by ironoxide on Oct 6, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Priceless....

or should I say…prysless.

by Tiger Eye on Oct 6, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I laughed

But then I cried a little.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reeding is fore thuh lawyirs!

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken

by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 6, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah good point

ware would need to break more long runs for td’s to be a heisman candidate. that is why denard is always in the running early on…the guy makes highlight reel plays. slow and steady doesn’t get the heisman press as much as flashy.

by Zandor435 on Oct 6, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he was Heisman material...

Just that he has “Heisman material ability.”

Richardson is certainly a Heisman contender.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Running game

Just a note, but per CFB stats, LSU’s just averaging 3.3 in the first half and 3.9 per game this season.

I think there’s still a lot of room for improvement. The good news is that the average goes up just about every quarter, so they’re definitely wearing people down.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Did I read it wrong?

It looks like 3.35 1st half to 4.4 2nd half?

I’m curious about their calculations. Obviously, I didn’t include NW St., but that should cause the gap between my numbers and theirs. I also didn’t factor in sacks or kneel downs. My calculations could be off a bit though, as I put them together a bit hurriedly.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me, the biggest thing

Is the quarter-to-quarter increase. First is just 2.5, but it goes to 4.2, 4.1 and then 4.6 in the fourth. Which was the same 4th quarter average of the 2010 team. That is certainly a positive.

You’d like to see them get that first-quarter average up though.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

QB position. J Lee

I think you are being nit picky on Lee and his location. He has converted several huge 3rd and long plays. The first two 3rd downs against WVU, for instance, that set the tone for the game. Ok he was high on a half a dozen throws against Kentucky. The receivers got two hands on each one of them. In my book if you get two hands on the ball it is your responsibility to catch it. The Sheppard throw was on the run. It was designed to be. Rueben Randle stopped and turned around on the early deep ball. If he does not stop it is a TD. Didn’t we have four or five drops against Oregon as well? Randle dropped the TD pass that would have made the WVU game a laugher early. JJ could not make half of the throws that J Lee makes. And he has what 1 int. JJ would have one per game.

by mhc4bucks on Oct 6, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

There were at least as many bad throws and bad reads as there were drops against UK

Keep in mind, not everything was dropped. There were 2-3 bad reads into double-coverage, the jump-ball to ODB that should have been an easy touchdown (the DB fell down and Lee lofted the ball when he should have gunned it in there, giving the DB time to get up and make a play), and the scramble play that Shepard had to yank out of a DB’s hands. Those are just off the top of my head.

As I said in the postgame, his play in games 2-4 was good enough to earn Lee a lot of benefit of the doubt, but he needs to keep that play up. He regressed a little against UK. We’ll see what he does going forward. And what JJ would/wouldn’t have done has no bearing on that.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I am...

To be clear, I’m not invoking JJ at all in those comments. That wasn’t me saying, “Lee struggles with ball placement and JJ didn’t.” Obviously Lee is getting the ball in the vicinity of guys, and that’s good.

But to me, whether or not the ball is close enough so the receiver “should” catch it, isn’t the argument. Obviously your WRs need to bail your QB out, but the frequency of throws where Lee isn’t putting them in the best position is fairly high. And like Billy said, his reads left a lot to be desired as well.

I do think Jarrett can get better, but for the team’s sake, I hope he plays more like he did against WVU and MSU than he did against Oregon and Kentucky.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

does it involve:

a shock collar for a certain player throwing off a back foot/lofting the ball into coverage?

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know I would hate people to think I'm punishing a player

And not attacking the coach’s decision.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coachism

it’s like Racism that eats grass.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 6, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern is Lee's confidence

We all know know how much better Lee plays as his confidence grows. His confidence was crushed in his first year, and it has taken a long time and a lot of patience to bring it back up. Lee did not light the world on fire in the Oregon game, but that was still a huge step in building his confidence. I thought he played very well in every game, until the Kentucky game. Not saying he lost his confidence, but we definitely saw a lot of the old “pick 6 Lee” this past weekend. Making bad reads, getting rattled by pressure, throwing off his back food, trrying to fit the ball into double coverage, etc.

I was completely for allowing JJ back onto the team. I think it would have been terrible if Miles didn’t allow him back. But my biggest concern has been the affect on Lee. Before last week’s game, I thought JJ’s return might make Lee a little more erratic. May make him try “too hard” to fit throws into tight windows because he is now looking over is shoulder. I understand competition is good and usually brings out the best in players, but I’m not sure it makes Lee better. He was playing well with a lot of confidence for the first few games because he knew it was his job. He did not have to make a lot of big plays; he just needed to manage the game and maybe make 1 or 2 plays a game. Now he may feel a little pressure form JJ, especially now that JJ camw straight out and said his goal is to win the starting job back because he feels he deserves to be our starter.I understand JJ has to say something along those lines if you’re a true competitor, but I think it also puts a lot of pressure on Lee. I loved how Lee was one of first people to congratulate JJ after his TD run, but one has to think there is some biterness between the two.

 Miles had no other choice but to let JJ back onto the team, and I fully believe JJ should have been allowed back onto the team. But I do not know what this will do to Lee, and the Kentucky game showed that my inital fears are now legitimate. Miles has a very hard task ahead of him keeping Lee’s confidence up, while still making JJ feel like he has a significant part on this team. But if any Coach could do it, I believe Miles is the man for that job.

by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Oct 6, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to make a fan post about this

if Lee is rattled by having JJ back, he just needs to grow up. With all that Lee has been through, for that to bother him, would be weak.

That said, I don’t think that’s the reason for Lee’s UK performance. I just think Lee has reached his ceiling. He’s always, at times going to:
-throw off his back foot
-stare down receivers
-make bad or late decisions
-etc regarding the negatives about him.

I’ve accepted that and we seem to be doing ok. But he damn well better not make the UK game a habit, or we are in for rough seas against Bama, aka the only defense worth a damn we’ll face.

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have a theory on the UK game as well

The pass play-calling was slightly different from what have been working. Might have been KragStud trying to get more of a feel for how Lee executes certain plays in game situations.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't disagree with that hypothesis.

Now if we only would try it with JJ at some point. Maybe we’ll get to try it in the second half of UF when we’re up 35-7 right? One can hope.

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

They were definitely trying different things...

And definitely experimenting with the passing game because they knew they could without much repercussion.

So that should be considered.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken

by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 6, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point, if Lee is lacking confidence...

The only person he can blame is himself. He’s been named the starter, he’s been voted team captain, and he’s QB’d a 5-0 team with solid success.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paul

First of all the self-deprecating humor is nice, but completely unnecessary. You bring it every time and I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.

As usual I appreciated your points, but what really resonated was the linebacker discussion. Pardon me if this has already been said, but imho their biggest test, bar none, will be this weekend…even with a true freshman QB. If anybody can exploit our middle, it’s Weiss. I think if we take these crossing, short middle routes out…we’ll be fine from here on out in the LB department…if not it was serve as a blue print for other teams moving forward. The good news is that no one has exploited it yet, but as you say give credit to our D line and out-of-this-world D backs for that…can they continue against whatever Weiss schemes up or not. That’s the LB question.

by Tiger Eye on Oct 6, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually was thinking that exact thing...

Weis will no doubt know that’s the area to attack. If Brantley was playing, I’d no doubt agree. But Driskel has been nothing but hot garbage this year every time he’s taken the field, no matter the level of competition.

While I think Weis can draw up plays to exploit this, I’m not sure Driskel can execute it, at least consistently. But with UF’s athletes, we must tackle.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed....at least as it relates to FL

I guess the finer point is that hopefully Weis doesn’t expose, what a better QB, could exploit. i.e. Maybe we review the game tape after FL and say, "Look at the poor QB decisions/poor QB play, but with a little bit better QB play wow I see how to exploit LSU’s middle.

by Tiger Eye on Oct 6, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would expect a lot of screen game early from Weis to try & get Driskell's feet under him

Driskell is also mobile for a big kid so you can maybe expect some rollout stuff, get him on the move & that way if there’s pressure they’ll have coached him just chunk it out of bounds.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken

by Curtis Bleaux on Oct 6, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point...

I thought the same thing about the WVU game, but Geno Smith might legitimately be the best QB we face all year.

Bray is really good, but unproven. Wilson, the same. McCarron isn’t anything special. The rest? Not much till the MNC.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

the game plan against Bama

seemed to be to attack deep through the air. That worked ok until Brantley got hurt. The gameplan against us will be short passes (probably would have been even w/ Brantley), which may be easier for what’s his name to execute

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Biggest test?

Surely you mean biggest test to date?

by BamaBR549 on Oct 7, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't overlook the UT game

even though I don’t think they’re that good. It’s on the road, sandwiched between two big home games, and they do have a prolific passing game. It’s also during the day. I’m sure everyone remembers 07 and those two losses to inferior teams.

The schedule so far, obviously, has been tough and we’ve played a lot of good teams, but we haven’t played a defensive minded team yet. Fast offensive teams with undersized Ds do not match up well with us. We will learn a lot against Florida this weekend. I expect their defense (which is pretty good to begin with) to show up big the week after a loss and without their starting QB. Hopefully – and I think this is the case – the loss of Brantley will be too big to overcome anyway, but it will give us a chance to see the offense against a top notch D.

You have been mad and drunken, furious and wild, filled with hatred and despair...but so have we - Thomas Wolfe, inadvertently commenting on college football.

by Yail Bloor on Oct 6, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Good QB on the road, good QB on the road, good QB on the road

That’s a near absolute to me. If you’re facing a good QB on the road, it’s a dangerous game. And Bray’s the best in the league right now.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poseur often sings the rallying cry about @Tennessee

Which I believe is where we’ve had the least success, historically.

Tennessee is no pushover. Though their schedule has been weak thus far, Bray can really wing it.

And agreed on Florida. That was my main thought when I was writing about the offensive concerns, UF is the first team with the talent and size on defense to really give us fits.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Oct 6, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're stealing my thunder

I’ve been harping on the UT game as no small concern since the media, bloggers, opposing fans and haters were hyperventilating about going to State and WVU, which I said was foolishness, at best (lazy shitty ‘journalism’ at worst. hope no one got paid for that. and I’m not talking about anyone here).

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its okay, apparently we're only "shitty jouralists"

For daring to talk about that monster in the closet.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy, I wasn't referencing you or anyone here at all

But there were masses of print media, radio guys and bloggers that were calling shots based on nothing. It was obvious they never did any work or just parroted what others were saying. I never ever thought of yall now or then in that aspect.

by LSUJOSHUA on Oct 6, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I know I was just jokin'

/internetfistbump

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Oct 6, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad we’re all mature enough to joke around with each other after that other topic. Except that southern dude I still hate him! J/king Corch.

by cbkao on Oct 6, 2011 4:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was going to light you up when I read
Except that southern dude I still hate him!

But then you called me

Corch.

All is forgiven, glad you are not a racist! :-)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 6, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tennessee

My mother taught me never to the Vols for granted because of 1959. But she’s right, LSU has a horrible record against UT. Just never chalk them up as a win. Ever.

I also thought WVU would be a roughy road trip – top 25 team and insane fans. We are just really good.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Oct 6, 2011 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And their fans are overrated.

It’s like Moo state with no cow bells.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Oct 6, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the last decade, we've uncovered the formula for beating Tennessee

Backup quarterbacks.

Ever since we solved that one in ’01, no biggie.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 7, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, that was a joke

But think about it.

Mauck in for Davey, 2001—took them out of the mnc and saved them the embarrassment of getting crushed by the Canes in the Rose Bowl.

Foolishly stuck with starter Russell in 2005, and lost. Won with starter in ’06, but hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

RP in for the injured Flynn in 2007 = W.

’10, Lee comes off the bench to get us down the field just in time for the Vols to unveil their dreaded new 4-4-5 defense.

If Lee starts vs. UT this year, victory is assured by inserting Jefferson into the game.

by MikeDeTiger on Oct 7, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for the LSU game

I just hope there are no major injuries which result. I fear this is going to be the biggest body slamming affair of the season.

As for the QBs, I think both will manage the game well and the play calling the last few years on both sides has been fairly conservative. The secondary on both sides is going to jump the short routes, so there will be 2-3 opportunities to exploit on both sides during this game.

This will be a grind it out game, as usual and the first team to flinch loses – plain and simple. Should be a great game.

What ticks me off is the mere possibility of either Bama or LSU taking a loss seomwhere and being left out of the BCS matchup. I’ll go all conspiracy theorist here, but I think there are going to be LOADS of undefeateds this year.

Everyone is sick of the SEC ruling over everyone and you will see the coaches poll swing towards the Big 10 and Pac 12 or Big 12. Don’t see Oklahoma, Wiscy or Stanford losing this year. We drop a game and we’re out.

Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.

by Bamapride on Oct 7, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree about the possible backlash

Which is why I’m rooting for Texas on Saturday and Oregon all year. And who knows, Maybe the B1G title game will have a surprise or two

by ORtigerfan on Oct 7, 2011 8:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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