Initial Impressions: LSU 42, WKU 9
by Poseur on Nov 12, 2011 9:26 PM CST
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PrintIt's nice to be writing the game story during the fourth quarter again, taking the final minutes of the game as easy as I can. No stress in this one, as LSU rolled an inferior yet valiant opponent. Sure, WKU made it close for a half, but this one was never really in doubt.
LSU looked sluggish in the wake of the win in the Game of the Century of the Week. It's hard to blame them. Alabama was the big game on the schedule, so taking a collective sigh of relief while playing Directional State is to be expected -- not to mention how banged up the team probably is from such a hard hitting game.
What I'm saying is, let's spot the team a half of unfocused, uninspired football. It happens, and if you're gonna have a hangover, have a hangover against a Sun Belt team. That way, when you do collect yourself, you can still win by about 30 points.
To be fair to WKU, they played hard and tough. WKU, especially in the first half, was able to move the ball up and down the field, and exposed the weaknesses in LSU's defense -- they attacked us with their tight end, and Jack Doyle was a big factor in that first half. They played to win, didn't back down, and can walk out of Tiger Stadium with their heads held high.
But the second half exposed the gigantic chasm between the two team's depth charts. WKU tired and wilted a bit, and Doyle stopped making catches. On the other side of the ball, LSU went to its deep stable of backs and tonight it was Alfred Blue's turn to have a big game. The defense forced some turnovers, Blue broke some big runs, and the game was suddenly a rout.
As you can probably tell, I'm trying to not talk about the quarterbacks. I am genuinely surprised that Jarrett Lee didn't see any action until the fourth quarter. He looked a little rusty, but he guided the offense with aplomb. Even ran the option with authority. Jefferson was also pretty good, throwing a nice deep ball and doing his best to stay in the pocket. He still made some poor decisions, like that safety, but this was the first time all year it seemed he had the authority to sling the ball around. And he did that pretty well.
Jefferson seems like he's the starter, but I have a bit more faith in Lee. Jefferson seems to need a receiver to be wide open for him to throw the ball, while Lee has the ability "to throw a guy open." Of course, that means Lee is more likely to throw a pick, but he's also more likely to have a big play. It's hard to draw any conclusions against the Hilltoppers.
LSU is 10-0. It wasn't a pretty win, but the theme of the day was merely survival, so I'll certainly take it. It's not about pretty. It's about winning.
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Refereeing
Hilltoppers should be satisfied with refs as well. Everything seemed to be on an even keel. Hope everyone there had fun!
by Norvasc on Nov 12, 2011 10:16 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I was also surprised
Lee was used so sparingly. I’ll probably spend the next few days trying to figure that one out, as Les is notoriously unhelpful in telling us what’s going on under that hat of his. (As he has every right to be.)
I wonder if the 2 INTs lost the coaches faith in Lee some. If so, I get that, but that’s Alabama, at least tied for the best defense in the country, and one of the most fierce D’s the game has seen in several years. I agreed with going to JJ for that game because getting wide on them was working for us. Against most defenses, I’m more comfortable running our “regular” offense of this season, and in those sets, I’m more comfortable with Lee. I prefer his tendency to throw before he has to over Jefferson’s tendency to wait too long.
I just get the feeling that against Arkansas and Georgia, Lee will be the bigger asset, just as I thought JJ would be the bigger asset vs. Bama. I’d hate to see Lee get rusty or lose confidence, but I have faith in or coaches to evaluate the situation brilliantly.
Other than that, the only complaint I have about this game is I wish we’d have rolled them a little earlier and seen Mett some. Despite all our blowouts this year, we’ve not been able to get Mett much time other than the 2nd half of NWSt. Any time he gets this year is good for next.
btw
it feels good when the only “complaint” is the 3rd string QB not getting work…
by MikeDeTiger on Nov 12, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing.
We have TWO QBs. We needed JJ last week but he was still limited because we really haven’t opened up the game for him so tonight was perfect to start him and if not for the Dfense and ST being off a little to start the game we probably would have seen JLee sooner.
Does JJ start next week? Does it matter?
It does matter against the Pigs and then the Dogs.
I think JLee torches the Pigs
UGA is a different deal, we are gonna need a mobile QB.
WE HAVE TWO QBs, thankfully!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 12, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
good right up Poseur
Delusional optimism baby.
And wow- so much for Stanford “matching up well” against LSU. 3:30 to go – 53-30 Oregon. Stanford totally choked late in this game – but was likely already beat.
I never understood that
Stanford hasn’t impressed me all year. Luck is a great player, but their defense is a sieve and his receivers aren’t terribly good. It’s a one man team. One hell of a one man, but that kind of team doesn’t win the national title.
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Luck is good
but I can’t say I’m ready to buy into the whole “best QB prospect since Elway” hype.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I may
He’s really really good. Though Peyton was probably a better prospect — the comparison to Elway is obvious given they are both Stanford QB’s. Though Elway never had a winning season.
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just like 2 years ago
behind gerhardt, Stanford can’t put a complete product on the field. Cue the academic elitism (and womens soccer team) bragging rights for the cardinal
by ORtigerfan on Nov 12, 2011 10:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree Poseur
but a lot of people were impressed by the streak of 25 point wins over bad teams.
Shocked Lee didn't start and with the whole QB situaton in general
Les is the only coach in the country that makes the call to start JJ tonight. I’m not sure how much JJ’s playing time was due to the staff legitimately making the move to make him the guy and how much was just an excuse to get him some reps. His lack of practice in the passing game definitely hurt against Bama when we couldn’t go to Lee. At this point, though, if Lee doesn’t get some more positive stuff happening it’s gonna be hard to go to him if JJ struggles, which is definitely a possibility.
Stanford blows, it’s a shame we don’t get to play them. I think Oklahoma has a really legit shot at the title game now. If they beat OKST, it’ll be between them and Bama and I think the voters might put them in.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
The radio dudes suggested, according to “sources,” that Lee was kept out of the game for a while to “encourage him to attend class with more regularity.” I.e., JLee must not have gone to class in October. That’s just, like, Charles Hanagriff’s take, but it makes more sense than any football-related theory I have heard put forth.
by pennybackLSU on Nov 12, 2011 11:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope this is the case.
I don’t really see any reason to switch your starting QB with 3 games left in the regular season. The offense hums with Lee at QB, EXCEPT vs a defense like Bama’s. And since we won’t face another defense that strong (UGA’s is starting to look nasty though) I think Lee is the better option.
If the coaches are trying to decide on a QB based on what happened vs BAMA, I think they are over thinking this thing. If they were really trying to teach Lee a lesson, then fine. Last night went perfectly.
Bottom line, we’ll destroy Ole Misses no matter how we fiddle and diddle with the QB position, but Arky is legit, and I’d rather go back to whats proven, Lee starts with JJ coming off the bench, rather than tinkering with what got us to this point.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
i agree
other than disciplinary action for lee, this qb swap makes no sense. the burden of proof should be on JJ, as we have much more evidence that Lee will lead this offense better. the fact that JJ didn’t crumble like Lee last week isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement for him to take the starting job. How soon we forget how well Lee has managed the rest of the schedule. He played great against florida, UT, Auburn, and also well enough against Oregon and WV.
JJ has a solid performance against WKU for his list. He also doesn’t show any promise to provide the balance needed w/ a passing threat that Lee.
What do you think is the reason for Les not playing Lee?
Les is not going to be up front with any excuse or explanation – that is not how he has done it in the past 7 years and so that leaves us to play the guessing game.
Let me list out reasons and you pick one or give me yours.
1. JJ needed the reps and WKU was a safe outlet for that
2. Lee did something off field and is being punished
3. JJ is being rewarded for the Bama game (and it is a low risk reward)
4. Lee is being punished for the Bama game ( and it is a low risk punishment)
5. JJ did well at practice and earned the spot for this game.
6. Both Lee and JJ are bad QBs and Les is doing the best he can this year to squeeze a NC out of them and that means living with not knowing how the gamble is going to pay off with each play.
hadn't heard the rumor about lee not going to class
but one thing I will give Les: he legitimately keeps you guessing. A lot of coaches try to be coy and you know what they’re really thinking, but I have no idea what will happen with the QBs. Lee could start next week and I wouldn’t be shocked; he could be 2nd string for the rest of the year, and I wouldn’t be shocked either
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I tend to lean towards Hnagriff’s take on the QB situation last night. In the past, he’s had some pretty spot on info from inside the deparment. If that’s the true reason for Les “witholding him from play,” I’m somewhat mollified. The kid needs to get out of bed and attend class. Even though he’s a football player, he’s still attending school, to some degree.
I’m a firm believer that we will need both of the QB’s before it’s said and done with. I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
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by Purpletiger006 on Nov 13, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Still cruising the box score and will get a look at the game tonight
But I’ll say this — Hannagriff’s not one to just pull a rumor out of his ass.
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by Billy Gomila on Nov 13, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Stanford Sucks
Go look at their schedule. Including Oregon tonight, they have played 3 teams with a winning record.
Jefferson looked o.k. tonight, but I don’t know why we go away from Lee. All he did was win every game except 1 this year. Jefferson still looks like he has trouble making reads, and he will never have the zip Lee can put on intermediate throws. Don’t fix what isn’t broken. Leave Lee as the starter and bring in Jefferson for a change up.
Personally, I think Les is just fucking with everyone, and I fully expect to see Lee as the starter against Ole Piss.
I reall hate how this fanbase...
Wants to turn the season into a QB debate yet again when we’re 10-0 for the first time since the 58 season!
fans on a message board giving their thoughts and opinions
is not a QB debate. Les not knowing who he should use at QB would be a QB debate. I don’t think LSU has that problem.
It’s not a QB debate. It’s just message board bloggers using the InterWebz for what Al Gore invented it for.
by MikeDeTiger on Nov 13, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe we just refuse to accept that we have two bad QBs that are forcing Les to do crazy stuff.
Neither of these two QBs are the complete package – Lee was doing well this year and then BAM!
Two INTs in a row and that is simply terrifying in that high stakes game.
JJ did barely enough to pass in that game and then turns around and struggles and takes a bloody safety against WKU.
Les is probably just trying various combos of players/plays/situations to see what works and yes that means, given the quality of the QBs, many of the combinations will fail.
This is like our LB situation – not pretty but hey we have to live with that till we get better players into that position.
I don't buy that
Lee and JJ are near the top of the SEC in ATVSQBPI. Lee is second in the league in QB Rating, and JJ would lead the SEC in QB rating if he had the attempts to qualify. Both have been effective. Neither are Bert Jones or anything, both are playing quite well. Lee had the one bad game, and JJ is a good multi-purpose threat. Our QB’s have played well. They aren’t great, but they are ahead of “bad” by a comfortable margin.
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OK Let me rephrase that - we have two QBs who would not start for any other NC contender
There is no point in defending the body of work or feeling insecure about it that we have to start pulling up numbers – FYI stats/rankings all nice and fine but honestly even if Bray or Wilson were lower than Lee, I am still going to pick them over JL or JJ.
We can only go with what we have seen on the field so far and the way they have been asked to play.
What have we seen – Miles is not comfortable with either of them and more so with Lee in that he had planned to have JJ as the starter before all the marine went to the bar. I am not debating as to why they ended up like that or if our play calling or our coaching is at fault or if the supporting cast is not doing its job – the fact remains that, given the body of work, these two are not going to be picked first when NC teams are picking QBs.
We seem to be ok with this in the case of LBs or Centers or Kickers but cannot accept that even though JJ or JL seem to have momentary sparks , they are not good enough that one of them can be enough for the the team. We seem to have difficulty in accepting that , though Les is playing them exactly that way.
With hope we continue to win an NC this year and can start the MMQB afresh with Randall and Mett next year.
This line of reasoning makes no sense...
Our QBs aren’t goog enough for a NC caliber team yet our team laying our QBs are a NC caliber team? Fans who nit pick about our “bad” QBs make my head explode. Are they Andrew Luck or even Tyler Bray? No, but neither of those QBs are still in contention for a NC this season. College teams don’t draft QBs. We recruit them. Some turn into Luck, but most turn into some form of serviceable QB. As for body of work, what are you looking at because it can’t be their records this year…or their stats…or their abiltity to lead the team. If it is their performances from three, two, or even last year you are relying on then you need to let it go. We are playing this year. I apologize if I sound like I am going off on you personally, bc that is not my intent…my intent is to address the naysayers about our QBs. The grass always seems greener on the other side of then fence if you want it to look that way. I, on the other hand, like the way our grass looks. As for next year ‘s QB race, I can’t wait to see how it plays out. I also will trust CLM to put the best player on the field.
by Displaced Tiger on Nov 13, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well said
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 13, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I have to rephrase this even better -but my intent was not to doubt the team/coach
My original reply was to address the one who complained about lack of time for Lee and to say that since we are stuck with Potato and PohTahTo – it doesn’t make sense to raise a hue and cry for nothing.
A team with an excellent D and great supporting cast at Offense along with a great ST doesn’t need more than a decent QB to win the NC.
Exceptions in the SEC have been 2008 Florida with Tebow – where they had it all.
Amongst all those teams with the first formula – starting from LSU 2003 up to Bama 2009 – the current LSU QBs are at the lowest rung of the ladder from Matt Mauck to Greg McElroy in terms of passing capabilities/pocket presence and other intangibles.
If a great QB is 90 and Matt Mauck was 70 and we have our QBs at 61 and 63. The difference in terms of what each brings to the table is not that much and we seem to be spending inordinate amounts of time supporting one or blaming the other.
Like I mentioned before I do believe that Miles is trying to make the Proverbial silk purse out of the sow’s ears and it is disappointing to see this vocal minority clamor for no reason at all.
Title contenders
JJ and Lee could start for Bama, who is a title contender. JJ might be able to start for Oregon in their spread. If we’re counting the one-loss ACC schools, both VT and Clemson would love to have JJ or Lee.
And, of course, they can start for LSU, the consensus #1.
I don’t think they could start for a title contender in which they were the best player on offense, but that’s not the demand here. We need them to be good. Both are capable of good, and have demonstrated that all year long.
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VT probably
Clemson, I doubt it. Also, Oregon is a long shot as well.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
I don't think we can say neither of them would start for Bama
And they are the only other “NC contender” that isn’t an offense-centric team that performs only to the level of their QB (at best), which means you are besically saying neither Jefferson nor Lee are Heisman-contender caliber QBs (recall that Daron Thomas, Landry Jones, Andrew Luck and that Wheedon kid all are/were Heisman contenders).
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Frankly, I don't see what's so terrifying about a QB throwing 2 picks vs. the best (or at worst 2nd best) D in the country
Unless we see a rematch against Bama (still a possibility, but a long shot), there is no point evaluating for any other opponent based on what happened vs. Bama. No one else is Bama. It’s like panicking over the fact that WVU threw for a bunch of yards and swapping out our defense wholesale. We didn’t do that because we understood that the aberration was far more related to something that particular opponent was doing and no one else we face will do than anything our squad did “wrong”.
Lee started 9 games with 159 pass attempts with 1 INT. It makes no sense to believe that would result from anything other than a QB with an impressive ability to protect the ball. And 2 INTs is not an unexpected result of a QB with an impressive ability to protect the ball going against a defense like ours or Bama’s.
I am exactly as confident of Lee’s ability to protect the football and run the offense as I was on Nov. 4th (which is to say VERY confident). I am slightly more confidnet now in Jefferson’s ability to effectively execute the running game (particularly the option) than I was on Nov. 4th (which again is VERY confident). I am slightly less confident in Jefferson’s ability to execute the passing game now than I was on Nov. 11th (but still pretty confident). I’m just surprised to see Miles (in whom I have complete confidence) decide that the best way to react to Lee’s performance in Tuscaloosa was to bench him.
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What is terrifying
is that Bama was the first time he had to play under duress, and he did exactly what he’s always done. Which means he probably hasn’t actually improved that much, Studthorpe have just managed to keep him out of that situation. You just can’t take it as a given that he won’t have to perform under those conditions at some point going forward (perhaps against UGA).
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
define "duress"
I think there should be a distinction made b/t “duress” from Bama and from other teams. That being said…I think JJ might be much more usefull against UGA for the reason you mention. But I do not think the arky game plays to JJ’s strengths (running).
That's just unreasonable
Lee has been sacked in 4 different games — and the Bama game was not one of them. And yet he has thrown just 3 INTs and still rates as one of the (if not the) most efficient passers in the league. To suggest he has not improved tremendously over previous seasons where he did not perform at nearly this high a level is like suggesting LSU has not improved over the Hallman days because we struggled “the first time [w]e had to play under duress” against Bama.
Lee is a far more effective QB than he has been in past seasons. He did nothing in the Bama game to suggest otherwise to anyone who isn’t simply looking for a reason to justify what he already wants to believe, in my opinion. He rushed one throw after a bad snap, and failed to read a well disguised coverage (which, people around here might recall, that Saban guy is pretty good at) on another throw. Bama exploited both mistakes because they have a great defense and that is what great defenses do.
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I'm done complaining about Miles' madness
but when you switch starting QBs at this point the season and you’re undefeated and unanimously #1 in the polls, you (and by “you” I mean “Les Miles”) create the QB controversy. I’m sure there’s a reason for it , although I have no idea what it is. He knew it would create a QB controversy to go with JJ and he did it anyway. That’s fine, but I don’t think you can blame it on the fanbase. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask those question, but clearly Miles has earned the benefit of the doubt. If it backfires, he’ll hear about it, but I don’t think that scares him one bit.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I agree
But since there is the Lee skipping class rumor floating around, I’ll wait until the Ole Misses game before I get too worked up over it.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
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Yours truly,
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by Chinese Bandit on Nov 13, 2011 4:09 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
My Apologies...
If this was mentioned earlier and I missed it forgive me. In the shots of Coach Stud in the booth I didn’t see Coach Kragthorpe. I remember seeing him in the booth during previous games. Was he down on the field? Anyone have an update on how he’s doing.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it...
LSU vs OU, Whatever you can do I can do better
I think OSU looks good against bad teams. OU could end up beating OSU. If all the other expected trends maintain, then then pollsters would have to choose between one-loss Oregon, OU, AL to face LSU in NC. Well, doesn’t it make sense that they would exlude the teams that LSU has already played, first? This could be momentus for Miles – LSU could play OU in the NC “rematch”, beat them, and get that Saban monkey off his back, so to speak.
Bedlam
I think Bedlam could end up being a de facto play-in game. The computers love the Big 12, and I think pollsters will back a one-loss conference champ over Bama and the “no rematch” over Oregon and Bama.
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Also The Tech loss was bad but they only lost by 3 points
after spotting tech a 24-7 lead
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by jharrison2090 on Nov 13, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Lee not playing
Les is consistent, When Michael Ford was fumbling he got less reps for a couple of games. Coach Miles has no use for a player when he is not taking care of the ball especially when there is an option who is just as good.
IMO im not sad about it. Jarrett Lee has been regressing as a quarterback over the past couple of games. In the Auburn game he should have had two picks maybe three but the Auburn players didn’t catch the ball. He constantly locks on the #1 option, throws off his back foot. He also is quick to panic and shies away as soon as the pocket starts to break down. Say what you want about Jefferson, but he will stand in the pocket and take a sack.Think about it , Jarrett Lee doesn’t get sacked much he just throws the ball up for grabs. On the bad snap in the Alabama game instead of just falling on it, he panicked and threw into triple coverage. I want to say in the MSU or the Florida game they called a blitz, and the oline stone walled it. He still panicked threw of his back foot again threw the ball in the dirt with an open WR. In the Auburn game missed a wide open receiver. The play started to break down threw of his back foot. Good teams take advantage of that. JJ isnt great but he takes care of the ball.
Dont tell me about efficiency, I have been to every home game except last night then I watch the game on the CST replay. Lee is a good QB when he steps into his throws, but whenever there is pressure he just looses it. It was obvious in the Alabama game that we couldn’t protect either QB for long. We all know JJ isn’t a good QB but there is a reason that Jarrett Lee wasn’t able to win the very PUBLIC OPEN QB competition this spring. I Trust In The Hat.
In the end it doesn’t matter as long as we run the ball, punt, and play defense we can win.
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I disagree
Jarrett Lee doesn’t get sacked much he just throws the ball up for grabs.
I disagree w/ this b/c it doesn’t pan out w/ the facts from the whole season. He has done a very good job of taking care of the football. it is not fluke that he he went threw 8 games w/ just one int. In JJ’s short time as QB he also threw at least one ball that odell beckham had to bat down b/c it was off the mark.
Your other criticisms are more on the mark, but you fail to match them up against the fact that JJ takes stupid sacks all the time. The safety was ridiculous. I agree that neither is perfect, but I think our O moves better w/ a passing threat and then let our rbs do the running.
zandor, you're right -but you won't convince jharrison
he’s complained about Lee on here all year. Bottom line is that both of our QBs have real issues. With a normal defense, I think Lee gives us the best offensive chance – real passing. With a ridiculously good defense like ours or Bama’s – we need the real changeup. But who else on the schedule has a defense like that?
lee
But who else on the schedule has a defense like that?
I agree completely. Lee has been very accurate w/ his deep ball for most of the year. JJ is not accurate. even his first play bomb to RR was a td b/c RR won the jump ball. Credit to JJ for getting the ball in RR’s area, but Lee has hit that pass at least 5 times in stride for RR already this year.
My ideal scenario would be to let Lee run the O and then bring JJ in as a change of pace qb for one series a half or so.
JJ is not accurate. even his first play bomb to RR was a td b/c RR won the jump ball. Credit to JJ for getting the ball in RR’s area
Wow, just wow.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
agreed
wow.
Jefferson was pretty damn good all night. He had one throw that was off target.
nemo me impune lacessit
I'm assuming you mean the one that hit the turf in his own endzone,
but I’m a bit surprised to see someone describe every other throw of the night as not “off target”.
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i rewatched the throw
He threw it better than I remember. RR has about a solid yard of separation on the corner and has to slow down for the ball to catch the ball at the 10. Given that it was about a 60 yd pass, being a yd or two off is much better.
so that isn’t a good example, I admit.
I definitely think Lee can stretch the field more
I don’t get ESPNU, so I didn’t see the game Saturday, but to JJ’s credit, he had a beautiful 44 yard pass to Randle earlier in the season. Of course, Lee hit the exact same pass the next drive…
JJ has hit some great passes
his throw in the auburn game down the line was perfect. I am not here to dog everything he does, but Lee seems to be more than just marginally better when it comes to accuracy.
JJ looked good throwing the ball
but he still (to my eyes) played slow. The offense doesn’t move as fast, and he takes too long to decide where to throw it. The safety he took was atrocious.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Thoughts on the unusual play calls for each quarterback
No-one has commented on the significantly different plays run by each quarterback last night. It was startling that Lee ran the option several times, quite successfully, and on one occasion even tucked the ball and ran for a first down, again successfully. Equally strange, Jefferson was focused on downfield passing. In each case these plays were very unusual for the quarterback in question.
Might Les be intentionally creating confusion for defenses we play in the coming months? So perhaps the reason for the quaterback and play selection last night was more to do with seeding misinformation, and forcing DCs to prepare for more potential plays from LSU, than anything else?
Agreed
A few of us mentioned this on the game thread last night. Each QB practiced play packages that aren’t their forte. We gave opposing defenses something else to think about. We are going to use Lee in the same formations in which he ran option Saturday again. He’s going to see how the defense looks and either run option or change the play to exploit whatever modification the defense makes.
maybe, but...
do you think it is necessary to “give opposing d’s something to think about?” I am not so sure it is. I think the offense we saw in the UT, UF, Auburn game will put up 45 on arky.
do you disagree?
Think so too
I think Lee can torch Arkansas’ secondary.
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I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
absolutely.
JJ’s inaccuracy kills drives. I think the only way we lose to arky is if he takes the majority of the snaps and doesn’t play well. If Lee takes the majority of the snaps and doesn’t play well, I think he still connects on enough passes to keep our O moving.
As an aside, Lee’s tuck and run for the first down was the most shocking thing I have seen him do all year. He has always avoided leaving the pocket like the plague in his career. It was great though just cause i can’t remember him ever making up his mind to run.
I'm not sure Lee had that speed before this year. He's always been a bit pudgy.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
yeah...probably...
he said something about coach moffit helping him lose 20 lbs in the off season in an interview going into the bama game.
I agree Poseur
And I’m just not sure JJ can. I imagine he can run the ball some on them – but we’ll need to score some decent points against Arky. I have a lot more faith in Lee and play action with the RBs on the ground getting points than with JJ and the option all game long. Of course, Les will probably mix it up a good bit regardless.
It’s the same equation that it has always been with these two. Lee is going to have more positive plays – and more big negative plays (at least against a really good defense). JJ is going to have fewer positive plays, and more drive killers – that is sacks and negative yardage – but fewer turnovers against a good defense.
i agree in part
It’s the same equation that it has always been with these two. Lee is going to have more positive plays – and more big negative plays (at least against a really good defense). JJ is going to have fewer positive plays, and more drive killers – that is sacks and negative yardage – but fewer turnovers against a good defense.
I would agree w/ this last year. But I think Lee has limited his big negative plays against D’s not named Bama this year. JJ doesn’t seem to have improved as much in his passing abilities as Lee….and it doesn’t seem close to me.
I knew someone would say that right after I posted
Yes- Lee has definitely limited his negative plays – except against Bama. JJ has not seemed to solve his problem – one or two quick first downs – and then sideways or negative plays. But – a fair bit of his time in the offense so far was against Bama…
i'll give you that
a fair bit of his time in the offense so far was against Bama…
noted…but do you think his problems, accuracy and holding on to the ball too long, will be ironed out in just two games?
Lee seems like a known quantity…and a very positive known quantity at that. The arkansas game seems like J Lee all the way. It just seems like a repeat of the WVU game.
What is the basis for arguing that Lee is the more accurate passer?
I understand the perception, but if you compare Lee’s accuracy in his first 30 or so throws (however many JJ has this year) with JJ’s over the same span, I’ll bet you don’t see much of a difference. If anything JJ is probably the more accurate passer over those “initial” passes. (I’m not just talking completion percentage but also placing the ball where the WR can do something with it, as well as drops by the WRs and/or the DBs in coverage).
JJ and JL both have their lingering issues, JL falls off his throws at the slightest hint of pressure while JJ holds on to the ball too long. But, I think that both have improved in all aspects of the game and both will be needed for us to win out, just like both have been needed to get us to this point in the season.
Sacks can kill drives and throwing off your back foot into coverage can kills drives. Fortunately, we have a defense and punter that can take up the slack for both types of mistakes.
As for which QB has the greater upside, I think that argument is a fool’s folly. The way our offense is meant to operate (pound the ball with the occasional pass to stretch the field and keep the other side honest), the QB who is least likely to make a drive killing mistake is the one with the greatest upside. Right now, I would say that’s a toss up.
by Displaced Tiger on Nov 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think the difference is the known vs the unknown
We know what Lee can do this year. He’s lead us to most of our wins and our offense is averaging over 30ppg.
We know what JJ did over the course of the year last year, but we don’t really know what he could do this year if given the same opportunities as Lee. I happen to think JJ threw the ball well Saturday, but having said that, I’d feel much more comfortable doing what we did pre-Bama.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
yes but...
, but if you compare Lee’s accuracy in his first 30 or so throws (however many JJ has this year)
the question isn’t who is more accurate over their first 30 or whatever. The question is who is more accurate where they are right now. I grant you that Lee has had more time to improve w/ 5 times as many attempts as JJ. But right now, I think Lee is a more effective passer than JJ and I don’t think it is close.
both will be needed for us to win out
I don’t dispute this. We are just quibbling over “how” they are to be used. I think snaps should be split 70-30 Lee for the the next two games for sure. The UGA game…not sure…haven’t seen them enough.
One last point on the accuracy statement. I am not talking about ball placement like they say in the NFL where a qb hits the back shoulder of the WR. I don’t think either of our QB’s can do that consistently. I believe Lee is more accurate consistently on the easy throws like screens, short out routes and the bomb over the top.
One example…Lee seems to have worked through his struggles w/ throwing the screen. He is consistently on target w/ it now. JJ has also struggled w/ the screen his entire career. He almost killed RS in the bama game by leading him too much on the screen pass.
do you mean from the auburn game to the bama game?
or before that?
I think it's more of a "what can we add" at this point
We have an offense that can torch bad to above average defenses; we’ve seen it all year with Lee starting and Jefferson rotating in, and both primarily sticking to the packages that suit their talents. We have an offense that can survive against the far and away best defense we’ll see all season; the one we saw Nov. 5th, with Jefferson basically just running the speed option, handing the ball off, and scrambling when there’s nothing there. It’s not particularly effective, but it is survivable. So at this point, I figure the coaching staff might be saying to themselves, “we’ve already got all this, so why not work in a couple more little touches without signficantly retooling the offense?”
Remember, we didn’t see anything we hadn’t seen several times before this season, we just saw them from different QBs. So it’s not like we messed with anything or confused anybody with new playbooks or anything. I think it’s kind of like handing the ball off to Hilliard on some Ware-designed hammering plays; same play, just give them another player to worry about running it.
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
When do 'WE' as a fanbase start respecting Leslie Edwin Miles?
What in the name of Billy freaking Cannon does he need to do to earn our respect?
He changed up his line up for a freaking cupcake a week after the supposed battle of the century, which he coincidentally won, for whatever freaking reason he chose.
So what?
He’s earned the right to start Sam Montgomery, Mo Isom or your mother at quarterback if he so chooses.
When he starts this dismal fall into mediocrity we’ve been hearing about since the third game after he won or third and last National Championship then I’d expect the day after a loss 42-9 blowout to consist of a bunch of butt hurt griping about his personnel decisions but as long as we’re the unanimous best team in the freaking country with the current best stretch in our schools dadgum history can we give the hysterical and incessant second guessing of this man a rest?
Just say thinks coach and enjoy ride for goodness sake!
(sorry to vent but damn, really?)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 13, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hear, hear SouthernMan
everyone is a legend…..in their own mind. People are looking at this from the perspective of the last game, but I’m convinced that Les has (much like a chess grandmaster looking 20 or 30 moves ahead) played every game this season with his eye on the final goal.
I’d forgotten, until you brought it up in another thread, about his dad taking him to the backroom poker games. He’s been playing his cards close to the vest all year, using just enough of the playbook to win, while setting up not only the next opponent, but the CCG and the NCG as well.
I’m convinced that we are going to see new wrinkles against Arky, and hopefully Georgia or SC and beyond, such as the wildcat, and other things that we’ve gotten away from like passes to Deangelo and to Ware and company coming out of the backfield. And there’s no telling what else he’s going to pull out of that hat!
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 14, 2011 7:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What's your point?
I think everyone has been respectable and supportive of Miles in this post.
Lee has taken the majority of the snaps all year. All of the authors on this blog have been in unanimous opinion that JJ won’t see significant playing time this year.
Miles dodged the QB question all week, and then puts in JJ for 90% of the snaps. You’re not curious why? Nobody is criticising Miles’ decision (yet) but inquiring minds want to know!
We all get that you support Miles, but your post seems to indicate that those of us who are wondering why JJ played, do not. That that simply isn’t the case.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Jonno
Its not just a curiosity for many, including some in this thread. Its an indictment that Miles is somehow being unjust or inhumane toward JL for some blind loyalty to JJ. It also indicates that these folks just think they know better than Miles no matter how much he breaks down ever straw man or myth they set up.
JUST one week ago we supposedly vanquished the unending moronic questioning of our coach and it was all "Miles is the man, I should have never questioned him, blah, blah, blah. Since Saturday night ‘we’ (as a fanbase – based on listening to talk radio, the call in show and looking at multiple blogs, including this one) have melted down because our idiot coach decided to start our former starting QB (who lost his job because some low life sub human scum bag LIED about him and the BRPD is a joke – not because of his inability) against a freaking cupcake in a hangover game and you know what, he was pretty good.
Yet, it’s like the ole miss debacle happened all over again or there was another shady’s incident or we lost to UAB (oh sorry wrong coach, that one’s ok) or something.
It’s just blatant disrespect and freaking STUPIDITY on our part and that’s really the only way to look at it.
Support the coach, support all Tigers or just shut the heck up!!! (Not saying you specifically just anybody that falls into this category)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Still can't figure this line of reasoning:
you know what, he was pretty good
Considering the opponent, and the tools he had around him, I just did not see that good of a performance by Jefferson. I thought he looked about as sluggish and unfocused as the rest of the team for most of the first half, and had some real glaring gaffes (especially the safety). I don’t have a problem with Miles starting him or playing him as much as he did (even if I don’t understand the reasoning; that’s why he’s the coach and I’m the fan). I just don’t think the performance Saturday night was impressive. Hopefully whatever Miles was building towards or working on or whatever will be more impressive as a result of his maneuvers Saturday night, but Jefferson just did not look that good on the field. He certainly didn’t look as good to me as he did against Auburn, Florida or Tennessee.
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
Have you done the rewatch?
JJ was not sluggish. It wasn’t a ‘Cotton Bowl’ peformance but it wasn’t bad at all.
If the Dfense could have stopped the SUNBELT player and a half from moving the chains and burning the clock at will in the first half I think JJ would have put 28/35 on them in the first half and JL would have started the second.
Either way, JJ was not the problem in this game.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Not completely
But his first 6 pass plays included — between the 2 first downs and long touchdown — a sack and two incompletions against a Sun Belt team. Plus he had an atrocious intentional grounding for a safety. I’ve watched him play all season and don’t ever recall him being that erratic (THIS year). That’s why I figured he was sluggish, because he looked like most of the rest of the team the first half: dominant one play, kind of “off” the next.
And I specifically NEVER suggested that Jefferson was even a “problem” for this game, much less the “problem.”
I don’t even believe there was a problem with this game at all.
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
I don't live in LA and haven't heard LSU talk radio
My perspective was just on what I’ve read in this thread, and it wasn’t clear to me who you were referring to. I don’t think anyone is out of line in this thread. I will support Miles even if he decides he wants to go with JJ the rest of the year, but if he doesn’t tell me WHY, I’m always going to be curious…
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
well you KNOW he's not telling.
he might withhold until the withheld has been withholded and then the unwithheld was unheld and the wanted became the wanters and they wanted to honor a good opponent by preparing to be withheld or not withheld and unheld.
Any more questions?
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I know how Miles is, but honestly it doesn't give us any kind of strategic advantage to withhold this information.
Everyone knows we have 2 QBs that play. Everyone knows their strengths and weaknesses. I’ll dare to say that at this point knowing who the starter is doesn’t make one bit of difference to the other team’s preparation…They have to prepare for both guys, and they know that.
All withholding the QB information does at this point is start threads like this on message boards.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
I so disagree, if you don't think you have to prepare differently for JJ/JL then I don't know what to tell you
moreover, if they are both playing well and miles is being forthcoming or not forthcoming or maybe he’s starting this guy or that guy or withholding those who would be witheld…. the opposing coaches have a much more difficult task and it probably pisses them off wich means the hat is inside their head before he even bends over to start eating grass.
Brilliant.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Prepare this or prepare that, whatever
Why can’t it be just as simple as- WKU is a cupcake. Let’s get the backup a good bit of work. But somehow let’s get the backup a good bit of work against WKU, not Auburn, not Oregon, not Bama, but WKU, gets turned into “Lee was benched.”
Even if it was “Lee was benched,” who cares? It was Wfreakin’KU. Some people were probably hoping both QBs were to be “benched” to get Mettenchrist some work.
I know it’s a stretch for some people to consider but maybe, just maybe, coaches, who get paid a lot of money to make decisions (& not at random) actually went to Lee before the game or even during the week & said “hey, here’s the plan, JJ is getting work this week, don’t sweat it.” Or maybe, coaches just really are that dumb, that random, that diabolically tricksterish where just before the offense takes the field on the opening drive Miles goes “Lee, guess what? You is benched, bitch! BOOM! Who’s the General now, suckafish?!”
Somehow, I think more of the former happened than the latter, but that’s just me.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 15, 2011 2:02 AM CST up reply actions
if I could rec this from my phone I would, + a gazillion
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 15, 2011 8:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you read his comment right
He IS saying you have to prepare differently for Jefferson and Lee. He is saying that at this point opposing coaches know they have to prepare for both of them, so misdirection is wasted. No one is going to be fooled into not preparing for either of them no matter what Miles does. I guarantee you that Richt and Petrino are going to prepare for Lee and Jefferson no matter what happens between now and our games with them (short of a season-ending injury).
Moreover, I personally believe that Miles is aware of that. I do not for a second believe that he thinks he is tricking anybody into failing to prepare for either of our QBs. The misdirection in prepartion is already won, and every team we face will be doing the double duty of preparing for both. What I think he may have been doing Saturday is misdirection for gamedays. By running the vertical and horizontal passing packages with Jefferson that he has not usually run as much, and running the option packages with Lee that he has not run as much, Miles is making it harder for other teams to guess from play to play which package they will be facing based on the QB that is in the game.
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
Don't get yappy dawg
We know you think you are gonna protect your yard but just like a drunken redneck master, we’re gonna kick you until you tuck your tail between your legs and go hid in your little dawg house.
No bone for you.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
HAHA
I have no grand illusions, but whearas i was thinking if UGA made it, it was just gonna be a foregone conclusion before the game even started that LSU was SEC Champ. I am kinda interested now even more at the possibility of UGA making a game of it. However, I have know that LSU and Bama are on a different plane than any other team in the FBS/FCS. They are borderline middle of the league NFL.
The good news is
(other than about twelve minutes of Western Kentucky perhaps) our guys haven’t lost focus all year and will bring it for the SEC CG to be sure.
We’ve got work to do to get there and will certainly ‘honor’ those opponents with a great effort but you better believe, if and when we do get to Atlanta the boys will know who let the dawgs out and will be ready to put em back in their cage!
(P.s. I’m more worried about how UGA ‘matches up’ then anybody else, you guys are the real deal)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Well
It only took 10 games for us to finally put together a game that was from start to finish…Dominating! The fact is was against our oldest rivalry and home of the Scam Newton and Dick Fairley, was especially sweet. I took the role of a pessimist after losing to BSU and USC….Its worked for 8 games…and will work for the next two…but, and i should wash my mouth out but, You guys are the real MUTHA F@CKIN deal! No Doubt! So…I predict a low scoring LSU win 14-7. Only because our defense isnt too shabby and your offense hasnt been dominating like your fucking freaks on defense….
BTW, the african honey bee badger is a BAMF! But we have Rambo…and everyone knows he carries a huge knife!
GO DAWGZ!
We shall look forward to it.
By the way, my wife is a Georgia girl and her family are all UGA folks – great people, good times.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 14, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad someone from the Least stepped up.
Hope to see you guys in ATL.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
by LSU Jonno on Nov 14, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The score will not reflect...
How LSU will dominate the game. It will be awesome to watch….cant wait
Same old JJ
Disappointingly, with JJ at the helm, LSU looked like the same out-of-sync team they were last year and in the spring game. I have nothing against JJ. He ought to be a great QB, but something just ain’t right. Am I the only person that noticed that when JL came in the WKU game, the team suddenly looked like a well-oiled machine? I have a friend who says that when JJ is in, it is him and the other 10 players, with the focus all on him and whether he will run or pass. When JL is in, it is 11 players forming a single unit. I am sorry to say this does not portend well for the Arkansas game, as they are far better than last year when Petrino caught Chavis napping. I live in Arkansas and these people look forward to this game more than any other—they hate LSU with a real passion.
by Gary Finis Strickland on Nov 14, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
LSU looked like the same out-of-sync team they were last year and in the spring game
But we put up a season high in yards…How do you reconcile that?
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Maybe playing a Sun Belt cupcake with two healthy (and eligible) QBs?
This was a no-lose, letdown, trap game. On normal nights of normal performance, we basically name the score against them with either QB (or probably Mettenberger, for that matter). This week, however, we came out sluggish against an overlooked opponent after the biggest game in any of our players’ careers. So the tinkering wasn’t quite as comfortable as hoped, but we still had plenty of room for experimenting. Which is likely what Miles was doing. He got his slightly less experienced (this season) QB a bunch of reps throwing the ball regularly (which Jefferson hasn’t done consistently in any game so far) and got his other QB a fair number of reps which included the option (which Lee has — to say the least — not done consistently). I don’t think either represent our best, most effective offense at this point, and I don’t think Les intended or expected that they would. It was an extended scrimmage where he had the chance to work on and display some things we hadn’t gotten to play with earlier. I would have expected him to work harder to get Mett some reps, but shoring up our chances at a Championship this year surely trumps a marginal impact on our chances in the future. And that’s why I have way more faith in Miles decisions in these matters than my opinions (and certainly more than anyone els on the internet).
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
WKU isn't the worst team we've played this year though. Clearly Florida is worse (I kid).
Seriously though, at no point this year have I thought, “Man we look just as crappy as last year”. Even with JJ in this game…
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
WKU might not even be in the bottom 3 of worst teams on this schedule
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Nov 14, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
this is interesting
Since our schedule has been so grueling. If we play 14 games this year, 9 of them will have been against teams ranked at the time which has got to be some sort of record, especially for a team that has won 6 of them already
by ORtigerfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
9 ranked teams ties the record 'played' - 2002 USC was 7-2 vs. ranked teams
2002 USC, 2007 LSU (7-1 vs. top 25) and about three other teams have seven wins vs. top 25, which is the most wins.
If LSU beats Ark they will have seven wins, with two ranked teams to face, so yes LSU could set the record!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
excellent info
I tried to explain to a pac12 friend of mine this stat but didn’t have the specifics. His person was basically big deal, usc did it all the time in the early oughts. Now I can back it up with facts.
by ORtigerfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The team was sluggish in general
but WKU was also not nearly as bad as I suspect LSU thought they would be. I was impressed with them overall. The QB made some throws in tight windows in the 1st half. They’re nowhere near our league, but you can’t just show up and blow them out of the water.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I know they lost to Kentucky
But I’d be willing to bet WKU would be favored in a rematch.
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by Billy Gomila on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would favor them over AU
definitely Ole Miss and UK and they would give UF a game. But yeah, they’re a cupcake and Jefferson sucks.
nemo me impune lacessit
What game did you watch?
JJ was not the problem in that game by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Our flat defense, poor special teams for the first time all year and ODBJ fumbling were the reason’s the game looked sluggish and close.
JJ had one bad play all night and that really was a team failure (bad play call, no protection and a bad call by the ref, tbh) but to act like JJ struggled in this game is a joke.
It’s also stupid to act like this game, a 42-9 blow out by the way, negates the past nine magnificent games by this team is just a discredit to the respect this team has earned.
We complain about ESPN and the pundits not respecting LSU or hating LSU, why should we expect ANY different. We hate on LSU worst of all and show no respect for their accomplishments.
Once again, after just one short week of getting it, ‘we’ suck again. (‘we’ the fans that is.)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Bad call? In what way?
I thought it was pretty obvious intentional grounding. He pretty much spiked the ball right in front of himself, as I recall seeing it.
But your point about the fans and complaining is legitimate if warranted. I’m not sure there is as much “complaining” about Miles as you seem to perceive here, but pretty much any questioning of him is straight up laughable at this point.
Now if you’ve been spending time or some other boards, like maybe one that rimes with “DrigerToppings”, for example, you might have seen more crazy bitching and complaining. That board is slap ate up with stupid.
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*imminent
Bad call? In what way? He pretty much spiked the ball right in front of himself, as I recall seeing it.
Go back and look again.
As his arm was starting to move forward the defender forearm shivered his arm and his hand lurched down dislodging the ball, the refs have no possible way to know where he was throwing and there were eligible receivers right in front of him. I’m not crying about the call and frankly I think JJ should have gotten rid of it a hair sooner but that is really splitting hairs.
I’m not sure there is as much "complaining" about Miles
You don’t get out much, just read through this thread again, if you have the stomach go visit the rant or the rag or any other tiger site. Listen to the Les Miles show tomorrow night, I’d bet my next press pass that some moron will ask him if JJ kept the negatives or knows where he buried the chicken or whatever.
It’s not just the TD/Rant that is ate up with stupid, our fan base has A LOT of it.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Looked like grounding to me
and he should have gotten rid of it WAY sooner. It was a one man route and it was double covered and he’s in the endzone. Gotta throw that one away as soon as you see the safety rotate over.
I pretty much never read tigerdroppings, aside from the occasional fark board, but I think all the discussion here has been very reasonable. People might wonder why Miles did certain things, or disagree about specific players, but no one is slamming the team or Miles. He’s done a great job this year, and there’s no one I would rather have coaching the team, but that doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with his decision to play JJ (although I’m not exactly sure what I think about that particular decision yet).
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I think
We’re all entitled to our opinions. I don’t see anyone on this thread who has attacked Miles for any decision made this weekend. I think the majority of us are confused as to why JL saw such limited playing time. I don’t think calling the fan base stupid is the right call either, ESPN and other networks repeatedly praise LSU fans for being among the most knowledgeable in the sport. This particular blog exemplifies that trait very well.
"Dracula and LSU are at their best after the sun goes down." - ESPN
by Chinese Bandit on Nov 14, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have specifics?
just read through this thread again
Where? Use the quote blocks and point out what instance you are talking about, b/c I can’t find anything.
I've read through this thread
Where is all this “complaining” about Miles? Where did somone say he was a bad coach, or say he made a bad decision, or claim he was going to screw up the season? I think you might be spending too much time on the Rant or listening to talk radio (which is basically the broadcast equivalent of the Rant — a forum for malcontent morons who can’t achieve decent human interaction face to face), and are a little sensitive about defending Miles. Questions aren’t (necessarily) criticisms. I have a hundred questions about why Miles does a lot of the things he does because I don’t know what Miles knows; that’s why he’s so much better at coaching than I will ever be. If I wanted to know how to paint a picture, I might ask why Da Vinci does so and so; doesn’t mean I think I can do it better.
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
if we somehow manage to not win the title this year
I’m blaming you and your sig.
nemo me impune lacessit
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