Delusional Optimism Wants an Undefeated Season or Nothing
by Poseur on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM CST
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PrintThis LSU team stands on the precipice of greatness. Before it lies the chance to not only go undefeated, win the SEC, and win the national title, but to put themselves in the conversation for the greatest teams in college football history.
But this team has not accomplished a damn thing yet.
There's a famous story that after the Miracle on Ice, the US hockey team still had to beat Finland in order to win the gold medal. Herb Brooks walked into the locker room before the game and simply told the team, "If you lose this game, you will take it to your graves."
No disrespect, but Arkansas is Finland.
LSU has already won the Game of the Century of the Week against a team even more evil than the Soviets. It was an epic game and one of the biggest wins in LSU's history. But if LSU goes out and loses to Arkansas, the game means precisely squat.
Outside of the Alabama game, LSU has not played in a game that was decided by less than 13 points. To put this in perspective, 2004 USC was a truly great team and they played four games decided by a touchdown or less. 2001 Miami, perhaps the best team of the last decade, also only played one game decided by less than a touchdown.
LSU, at this current rate, is in that conversation. And this team is doing it against an incredibly difficult schedule -- Arkansas will be the third team top five team LSU will play this season. Les Miles has always done a great job of maintaining his perspective of his place in the college football universe. He, and his team, are certainly aware this team's tremendous opportunity.
This is the stretch run. From this point on, there are no Ole Misses left on the schedule. From here on out, it is a steady diet of top ten teams standing in the way of this team and history.
We are unafraid. Instead, we embrace this challenge. If winning the title was easy, everybody would do it. And this is no longer just about winning a title, this is about greatness. This is about knocking on the door of the temple and then kicking that door down. This team belongs in that Pantheon of all-time great teams, now let's go out and prove it.
But they have not accomplished any of it yet. A loss this week, or next week, is nothing but a missed opportunity. This team cannot, it shall not, fail to achieve greatness. To do so is to throw this season away. Les Miles and this team will not let this happen.
I've heard talk about how LSU could make the title game with a loss to Arkansas. Well, that just misses the point entirely. The SEC title matters just as much, if not more than the national title. We don't need another title tainted by the whispers that we didn't really deserve it. This team needs to go out and remove all doubt.
There are only two options: Greatness or Failure.
It is up to this team to decide. We are not going to spend the next two weeks parsing formulas or petitioning for votes. This team needs to proves it belongs in the title game. Lose to Arkansas and we may stay find ourselves in New Orleans, but we will not have earned it. It will have been a gift.
We don't want your charity. No gifts. This is Greatness or bust.
Delusional Optimism is already booking a hotel room in New Orleans.
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One of my problems with the way Bama fans have handled this..
is that (if you believe talk radio) they truly do not care one bit about the SEC championship. In fact, they would rather LSU beat Arkansas so they don’t have to go and play that game. THEY DON’T WANT A CHANCE TO WIN THE CONFERENCE.
I find that mind-boggling, and I think the decline of the conference championship means that college football has lost something. It’s now seen strictly as a stepping stone to national championship contention, and if you can get in the national championship picture without it, then the game you have to play to win is seen only as another opportunity for a loss, and they’d just rather not deal with it.
It’s a disappointing development, and it cements my belief that you should be required to win your conference to be considered for the national championship.
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by Richard Pittman on Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
That reveals a great deal about many of their fans.
They talk about their greatness, but they are willing to take big shortcuts to attain it (counting to 13, skipping by an SEC title game to get to NOLA). I don’t think they realize how deeply flawed they are.
nemo me impune lacessit
we just went from the graveyard
to being put in a position to play for it all again
the sentiment in my corner of the Alabama fandom world is that we want revenge most of all so would prefer LSU as an opponent if we can get in
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think most of us simply assume that LSU wins the conference.
And the fact is, Bama and LSU should play for the MNC this year. If our game had been played 15 years ago, we’d be tied at the top with identical 10-0-1 records right now. LSU obviously got the win and deserves it, but there’s no question in my mind who the two best teams are. If LSU roughs Arky up this weekend as I expect them to, that will only serve as greater confirmation of this.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
really...
If our game had been played 15 years ago, we’d be tied at the top with identical 10-0-1 records right now.
did we beat you or not? This is little better than whining over a blown call.
Yes, but...
Put your hand on your heart, and answer this honestly (albeit before the last game of the regular season):
After LSU, which is clearly #1, which is the second best team in the nation?
Yes, LSU won, no possible dispute (except from delusional Bama supporters…). But his point is that Bama is currently no.2, and the whole point of the BCS is to get No.1 to play No.2 for the MNC. Although everyone hates the idea of a rematch, if we accept that the NCG is meant to be 1 v. 2, then the answer is clear (at least, before this weekend).
And I, for one, don’t buy into this “it’s unfair that LSU has to play an extra game” nonsense. LSU has a good chance of winning 3 titles this year, the extra game is for one of them (and its a title which many consider as important as, or even more important than, the MNC.
That is not the entire point of the BCS
The point of the BCS is to have an undisputed national champion while also preserving the bowl system. It so happens they do that by matching up #1 vs. #2, but the system is not designed to crown the #2 team in the nation. It is designed to crown #1.
Since Alabama has already proven itself to be, at best, the #2 team in the nation, why should they get a chance to play for #1, especially because it opens the door for a disputed title? And why is Alabama automatically better than Oklahoma St? OSU, if they beat OU, will have better wins than Bama overall.
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by Poseur on Nov 22, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
I’ve heard different views about that, but this is a quote from the BCS website:
“The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games.”
Yes, the ultimate point is to crown No. 1, but their own literature says that that should be achieved by matching the No.1 versus the No.2 as measured prior to the NCG. What matters is who is No.1 after that game, not before. I hate to say this as an LSU fan, but I don’t agree that Alabama has proven itself to be at best No.2, i.e. proven itself not to be No.1. That gets measured in January.
Yup
Everyone (myself included) THINKS that Bama is better than OSU. What is more important, though, is that we KNOW that Bama lost to LSU, and we don’t know what would happen if LSU played OSU. The Big 12 is probably as good overall as the SEC this year, and I’ll take a one loss Big 12 champ over a one loss SEC runner up any day.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Well
if the folks writing the rules wanted the thing to be open only to conference champs and/or avoid a rematch, they should have written them that way. Instead, they were sure to allow for the possibility of two teams meeting for the MNC from the same conference with neither being conference champion. I think that speaks volumes. And this is just absurd:
Alabama has already proven itself to be, at best, the #2 team in the nation
By that logic, Oklahoma State has proven itself to be, at best, #30 or so depending on where Iowa State ranks. And hasn’t Bama, by virtue of blowing out #3, proven itself to be no WORSE than #2?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
they probably will
if we get a rematch no one outside of Alabama wants this year. The BCS folks are consistently one year behind reality with regards to their rule making, so the fact that something nearly everyone agrees on is not a rule really only proves the powers that be are incompetent.
Also, if LSU beats Arkansas they won’t be three anymore and your argument about beating them won’t really matter. Ok. State will be 3 and you won’t have beaten them.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Okie St
Yes, they’ll have a worse loss than Bama, but they’ll have an overall better resume. Bama didn’t play the top two teams out East. Their best wins are Arkansas and Penn St. OSU, if they win out, will have beaten OU, K-State, Baylor — all top 25 teams. And they will have a conference title, which Bama won’t have (and the Big 12 and SEC are of roughly equal quality this year).
The momentum that Bama is clearly the undisputed #2 team is not one I agree with (nor do the computers). OSU will have the better resume, if they win out.
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Bama has the best win and best loss.
A Bedlam loss would knock OU way down with three losses, meaning that OSU played no one that finished in the top ten.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Kind of hard to call it
a rematch no one outside of Alabama wants this year.
When Bama currently holds 98% of the #2 votes in both human polls, don’t you agree?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No I do not.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Interesting.
Especially since the voters are media and coaches.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
First of all
“everyone” != “the media and the coaches”
Secondly, I take people at their word when they say the don’t want a rematch. Unless you get an entire different set of television stations than I do, you have heard these people as well. The reason Alabama is #2 is because the voters think they are the second best team and they don’t really have any other options there right now, not because they want to see a rematch.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Did I say "everyone" or did you?
Don’t think I was the one talking in absolutes. And how can you say that there’s no other option when Okie State, Va. Tech, and Stanford all have one loss as well?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I said "no one"
which is the same thing. I could have said “everyone doesn’t want it” instead of “no one wants it”.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Tom-ay-toe, tom-ah-toe.
And to follow up on the rules point, this is not some undiscovered flaw or loophole. They specifically wrote in a rule to make sure non-champions from the same conference could reach the game. That sounds like something they had hashed out in advance and are unlikely to change.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And...
To answer the rest of your points, I’m not saying Bama is automatically better than OSU, just that if it was measured today then no-one could seriously rank OSU ahead of Bama. I agree that if OSU beats OU, there is a good chance they will get into the NCG (and personally I hope that happens and we play OSU).
I also don’t agree that a rematch opens the door to a disputed title. I know you hate comparisons with the NFL (and I agree that college football has a magic to it which sets it aside, making comparisons invalid), but it is quite possible for a team to lose the Superbowl having beaten the winner during the season, and no-one suggests that that results in a disputed title. In the NFL, like the BCS, them’s the rules.
"The entire season is a playoff"
is consistently the argument in favor of the BCS. In the NFL, you can beat a team and lose to them in the playoffs and be out, but you can’t beat them in the playoffs and play them again. Everyone assumed when Bama and LSU played it was a de facto elimination game. If you’re going to devalue the regular season, go ahead and have a playoff and no one will complain about rematches.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
The other argument in favour of the BCS
which perhaps is more common, is that your entire body of work is what matters. That’s a bit different from every game is a playoff. It fundamentally acknowledges that you can lose, but still make (and win) the NCG (as LSU has done in the past). All it takes is for others to lose more, or for their wins not to be so highly rated.
And I don’t agree that everyone assumed LSU-Alabama was an elimination game, there were lots of threads pointing out that either team (particularly LSU, as they were playing away) could lose but still make the NCG. Just like there were before the Oregon game.
I believe we should see how this plays out to Jump to too many conclusions
But, I believe, IF the above scenerio plays out, LSU beats Arkansas and wins the SEC AND Alabama beats Auburn (handily) and OSU loses (or does not win convincingly) and the BCS pits 13-0 LSU against 11-1 Alabama. (much to the anguish of the rest of the country (and their AP voters)) AND Alabama happened to win (going 12-1 for the season with a home loss and a neutral field in against LSU), I would not be shocked to see the AP voters vote LSU #1 (going 13-1 with a win at Bryant-Denny and a loss to Alabama at a neutral field.)
Well said!
It could happen, at least in theory. And again, them’s the rules (but imagine the screaming from the Bama hordes…).
Bama wouldn't care about that.
We’d have the crystal trophy.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Exactly,
Alabama is desperate to claim some type *any type) of national championship. Otherwise they would claim so many Parke H. Davis "national championships. Alabama fans very self worth is dependant on claiming some national championship—no matter how nebulous.
"Some type?"
You mean like the one that’s generally recognized as the “real” national champion?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Again its about that entitlement thing isn't it?
How about this scenario: LSU beats Arkansas, Georgia, and then Alabama at neutral site. Alabama would probably still win the Rothman and the Berryman national championships. Would that assuage your self-doubt? Personally, the only thing better for me than beating Alabama twice in the same season would be if there was an iso-camera on Saban during the game to watch the headsets being destroyed, players chewed, and basically him assigning blame to everyone and everything but himself.
What are you talking about?
Any disputed championships claimed by Bama are old as hell. If we are selected for the game and subsequently win it, we will be crowned BCS national champions. Look, I get it. For y’all, this is less about Bama deserving to be there than about LSU having to beat Alabama, the only team in the country capable of beating their asses straight up (hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vegas made us slight favorites in that game), a second time. No doubt that LSU would love to curbstomp Okie State instead. Not since 2005 have there been two teams this far ahead of the pack, and this year they happen to be in the same division.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That worked out pretty well for ya' the first time didn't?
What makes you think getting another chance will be any different?
What makes you think it won't?
The game was dead even. There were a number of plays that could have easily ended it in regulation for both teams. On Bama’s side you had the stupid block in the back on Barron’s INT, all the missed FGs, and the jump ball that could have gone to either player. I’m sure LSU had some as well that their partisans would remember well.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
it won't be in Tuscaloosa
We’ll have a different starting QB. You will have the same crappy kickers.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Well, hell then.
If Bama gets the nod they should just stay home. These two teams are as even as it gets. It would take some seriously lucky bounces for either team to win by more than a few points.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
In addition to the above,
It will be played on carpet—favoring the "faster’’ team, LSU has steadily improved since the game in Tuscaloosa, Alabama has not—Perhaps due to Saban refusing assume ANY responsibility and blaming taking 3 field goal attempts beyond his kickers’ range on the players. How would that work Alabama being beaten twice by LSU in 3 months?
Yep.
I'm convinced
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Bottom line
nothing really changes with this game played a second time. Statistically, Bama’s defense is slightly better than LSU’s and the offense is solidly better while LSU’s kicking game is worlds better. It all meshes into a dead even matchup that could go either way and, like the last game, will be decided on about a half dozen plays.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
How do you figure?
The goal of an offense is to score points, and LSU’s offense scores more points, against a tougher schedule, than Bama’s. I’ll give your defense a slight edge, LSU’s offense a slight edge, and LSU’s special teams a massive edge.
Every close game will come down to five or six plays, so that’s not much f a knock. But the plays in last game were split about evenly — maybe next time, LSU actually scores touchdowns instead of kicking short FG’s. You think Randle drops another sure TD pass?
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Well, first off, your offense is 75th currently
while Bama’s is 32nd. Secondly, Sagarin’s SOS ratings actually have Bama’s schedule stronger than yours. Third,
But the plays in last game were split about evenly
is exactly true. What was the result? A tie through regulation. One of those plays breaking the other way would have decided it, and it could have been for either team. And who says LSU actually gets to the red zone as often this time? Who says Randle gets open again? Who says Jefferson makes that throw to begin with? It will be a different game that will once again pit the best two teams in the country who happen to be dead even.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Points not yards
I’ll trade our higher ranked Scoring Offense for the extra 60 yards you gain per game. SCORING MATTERS. We should rank offenses on points. On that metric, LSU is ahead. They perform the task of an offense better — scoring.
And, of course it would be a different game. My point is that every close game comes down to a few plays, and those few plays were split fairly evenly in our last matchup. Saying that it came down to a few plays is just saying “the game was close”.
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My whole point is that the game was close
as in, could have gone either way, and will be again. It seems that some of your brethren are under the delusion that LSU is 14 points better but failed to show up. Funny enough, the S&P rankings actually show the exact opposite of what you suggested above: LSU’s defense has proven to be slightly more efficient than Bama’s, but Bama’s offense has been more efficient than LSU’s by a slightly greater margin, giving Bama an ever-so-slight edge overall.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh, and 2.5 points is meaningless
when comparing two teams who have blown everyone out.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
So stats are pointless when they favor LSU, meaningful when they favor Bama
got it sport.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
The whole point was that the statistical difference between these two teams is not enough to possibly predict the outcome.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It's a two-game playoff
You’re almost certainly going to qualify for the playoff, and if Bama wins and unless something else strange happens, so are we. That we’ve played before is irrelevant. Do you think the Ravens will whine about having to play the Steelers in the playoffs despite beating them twice?
I don't like the assumption of who the two best teams are
We don’t know for sure who is the second best team in the country. We can only guess. We don’t even know who the best team in the country is. We’ve still got games to play. Saying right now that Alabama is for sure the 2nd best team in the country is nothing more than a guess. Before Friday, I’d have told you Oklahoma State was for sure a better team than Iowa State. But they weren’t on Friday night. I wish everybody would just think about 2006 and remember that #1 Ohio State beat #2 Michigan by 3 pts in that year’s Game of the Century, and that all evidence at that time pointed to them being the best two teams in the country. Many thought they should rematch as such. But the voters said no, wisely as it turns out, and Florida and USC exposed Ohio State and Michigan respectively. And NOBODY was giving Florida a chance. If the voters had allowed a rematch, we’d still be thinking today that Ohio State and Michigan were just unbeatable, awesome teams.
If oSu wins Bedlam against their biggest rival in the Sooners, I say give ’em a shot against the SEC champ, whoever that is, whether LSU, Bama, or Ark. But no rematches between any of the SEC teams.
One big difference.
Michigan was never #2 after losing to tOSU. The voters had placed them third behind USC- Florida was the beneficiary of a Trojan loss. This year the voters have decided that Bama is #2 after playing LSU. Also, #2 has never dropped in the last week without losing. Body of work is established enough that voters have no reason to change their minds.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Along those lines
This situation is exposing a big flaw in the system. I’ve heard talk of it not being fair or right for Alabama to go 1-1 against LSU but win a national title. But it’s even more messed up than that. Consider this: say LSU beats Arkansas and then UGA and rematches Bama in the NCG. LSU would be playing an extra game against UGA, taking on extra risk of a loss, and extra risk of player injuries. That means while LSU is assuming these extra risks, Alabama is sitting at home watching them on TV, risking nothing. And why is Alabama not having to assume those risks while LSU does? Because Alabama lost at home. LSU would be playing UGA as a result of winning in Tuscaloosa. Effectively, Alabama would be REWARDED FOR LOSING. Basically, LSU could wind up having had an easier path to the BCS title game had we lost Nov. 5.
Just think about that. Screwy system, huh?
Very rare.
But as Poseur said, LSU will still have the SEC title in that case. There’s nothing mythical about that one.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Not Really sure what you mean by
Revenge. But as someone that has lived Alabama most of my life and a graduate of Alabama, I believe I can shed some light on this subject for those not as familar. What Alabama fans want is some opportunity to claim a national championship—no matter how suspect the rationale may be (See claimed national championships prior to 1970). (really what else do they have) Alabama fans inherently need a national championship—Alabama fans view a national championship as a birthright. Alabama fans have been told everyday (multiple times a day) for the past year that Alabama is the best program in football and that Nick Saban is the best coach in football. (Notice how many of the Alabama fans (Schlabaugh, you and your crew too) were rejecting a rematch prior to LSU beating Alabama at Bryant-Denny—and the hypocacy now.) In Alabama, (unless you have the game on DVR) you would not know that Alabama lost to LSU at Bryant-Denny on Nov. 5. The need for Alabama to win a national championship is so ingrained - that inconveinant fact has been blighted from all media. Alabama WILL NOT acknowledge it-even when pressed, without some caveat about cheating, etc. The truth of the mattter Alabama wants to be able to play as many games as it tkes against LSU to get a win, so that they can claim a national championship — just like they have been told they are entitled to.
I fail to see the word "revenge" in my post.
And after the Nov. 5 game I thought it would be impossible to have a rematch. Then Saturday happened.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I confused you with
WallaceWade above (used to live on that Street). Apologies
Total BS
No way should you be rewarded for losing, which is exactly what seems to be happening. Bottom line, there should be a rule preventing teams that didn’t win their conference from playing in the title game. I think that this is somewhat of an unwritten rule among the voters since 2003, but we will see how strongly they adhere to it.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
They ain't lose PAAAWWWLLL
I means just read the posts here, PAAAWWWLLL. They still allude that they ain’t really lost, they just un-won. Kickers ain’t even real football players, PAAAWWWLLL. I mean half of ‘em is foreigners. Look at that Bob Wing kid LSU has PAAAWWWLLL. The kid is from Austria for Pete’s sake, PAAAWWWLLL. He may as well be a Nat-zi, PAAAWWWLLL.
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i absolutely love
your finebaum posts for their humor and frightening accuracy.
by TDTGodfather on Nov 23, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, PAAAWWWLLL!
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 23, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
You mean like LSU just un-won in 2007?
As you alluded to below, the “unbeaten in regulation” argument?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No
I know you like cherry picked facts & all but again, in ‘07, LSU was in a group of multiple teams with 2 losses and had just won their conference title. So, no, your un-won is worse b/c you have the chance to un-win the division & the conference. At least LSU in ’07 won both. So, again, no. No. I’ll repeat it again, no; since you Bammers are dense.
And just like you’ll un-win again when & if we meet in New Orleans. So, LSU will have at least un-won a national & conference title in ‘07, while Bama will have un-won into not even a division title if you by chance happen to beat us. So, even our un-won where we actually won all 3 possible titles is better than your un-win against us where you lost. I’ll get you a towel.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I thought we were talking about being undefeated in regulation.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well the FInebaum satire post
is obviously about Finebaum ranters. B/c whatever you’re arguing, please Bammers have no excuse in this regard. B/c after you had your asses handed to you by Utah with over a month to prepare with the greatest coach EVAR not named Bear, Bammers (I don’t care how few or how many & I don’t need proof, I heard it on Finebaum’s show several times) also used the idiotic “undefeated in the regular season” chest-thumping meme after you got beat by Florida & Utah.
I don’t care that it wasn’t you or the guys over at RTR or that it’s from the rabid portion of the fanbase. The whole point of satirizing Finebaum callers is to use the extreme, PAAAWWWLLL. I’m like the Bear Bryant of sarcasm, PAAAWWWLL. ‘Cept I ain’t like no Lay’s tater chips & I done went to LSU insteayed, PAAAWWWLLL. Though I did take a detour year to McNeese which is even worse than UAB, PAAAWWWLLL. It’s like insteayed of pronouncing it Bear Bryant, PAAAWWWLLL, I’m like a Cajun Bear Bree-an[t], PAAAWWWLLL. Where all dem Cajuns get their lernin & readin, PAAAWWWLLL, ain’t none of ’em can pronounce there names right, PAAAWWWLLL. They should all go back to Franceland with all dem corn dogs, PAAAWWWLLL. What you think? Paaawwwlll? PAAAWWWLLL, you there, PAAAWWWLLL?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think it was undefeated in the SEC
which does mean something imo. Bama was the first team ever to go 8-0 in back-to-back seasons. But yeah, we use the PAWWWLLL reference all the time. No way some of his callers are real. And you do have to admit that, regarding Bama’s potential trip to the BCSCG this year, that they’ve had a helluva lot better regular season than LSU did in 2007. Bama has a single OT loss to #1, has blown out everyone else, and won’t win the division; LSU had two OT losses to .500 teams and did. Luckily for them no one else did any better.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well, it wasn't
1st of all you weren’t undefeated in the SEC. The championship game counts b/c you know damn right they/you/Bammers/Bama fans would poop on the idea if it were somebody else making that claim which has nothing to do with anything in reality other than “Bama accomplished something,” when nobody else gave a shit.
2nd, it was most certainly “undefeated in the regular season.”
And the whole “undefeated in regulation” thing Miles did, I laughed when he did it. I didn’t think anybody would buy it & to be honest, I don’t know how valid it really was. But apparently pollsters bought it. Which is a big reason I hate the BCS/Bowl system- it often reduces you to have to politick & argue cases over differing merits which ends up being- my merits are good b/c they’re mine, yours suck b/c they’re not mine.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
OK
But the SECCG is, in fact, a postseason game. What I said was that no team had finished 8-0 in the SEC regular season in back-to-back years. Of course we’re proud of a 17-1 two-year stretch that ended by beating Tebow in his last SEC game, no matter how you slice it. I can also tell you that most Bama fans I talk to cite that 2009 SECCG as a favorite game ahead of the BCSCG vs. Texas, which kind of runs contrary to the whole “OMG they don’t care about the SECCG” argument.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I understand that the SECCG is postseason
WHich makes the actual claim of “undefeated in the regular season” ridiculous b/c it reeks of we won this title!…. errr, that we made up.
October National Champs!
/sarcasm
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a claim, it happened.
Nobody asked for a trophy or anything, but you don’t think LSU fans would be proud of being the first to do that? That 17-1 stretch in the SEC is the best over a two-year span as well. It’s like y’all are accusing us of just wanting to count national titles however we get them, all other accomplishments be damned, then criticizing us for being proud of other great seasons that didn’t result in one. From my perspective, I’m just glad the team is awesome again whether it results in a trophy or not. I’ll root like hell for ’em to get one though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Frankly
I don’t care. If you can separate yourself from comments from your fanbase, I can do the same. I don’t give much shit about anything other than banners & trophies.
Undefeated through arbitrary stretches (coming soon! Undefeated in games we won titles!) I could care less about. Stuff like that is nothing but trivia. I like real accomplishments.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's cool.
A division title at 8-0 seems like a real one to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh it's real & it's even bet'r'n a national title cuz it's Bama too, PAAAWWWLLL
(CLAPS LOUDLY & SARCASTICALLY)
So much for that asking for a trophy thing. So, you did ask for a trophy/banner for the real accomplishment. So, there. I see yer gotcha & match it.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I guess there was a banner for them, wasn't there?
I’ll be damned.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Yes
and you asked for it when above you said you didn’t.
I’ll be damned as well.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
I did?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
“It’s not a claim, it happened.
Nobody asked for a trophy or anything”
Oh my fault it was probably the another, J Tadpole. You were speaking of the undefeated in regular season but that obviously means undefeated with the division title, so yeah by proxy you asked for it.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet!
I never asked for anything by proxy before, but it apparently works. Need to figure out how to ask the wife for sex that way.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No problem
being a Bama fan you’ll eventually start invoking mythical national titles at it, PAAAWWWLLL.
PAAAWWWLLL, Bama is undefeated by proxy, PAAAWWWLLL, b/c the onyl game we un-won was to an undefeated team, PAAAWWWLLL
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 24, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
What would you expect anyone to say in Bama's position?
Do you want them to boycott the NC game because they aren’t playing in ATL first?
Hell I’d be excited if I were a bammer too. I’d have loved a rematch with UF in 2006. It’s not that they don’t care about the SEC Championship, it’s just that they realize that goal isn’t really attainable, but another is.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Actually, that goal is very realistically attainable
but many bama fans have stated that they would rather not play in the seccg. Hopefully they sh!t the bed against the barn, ideally losing but squeeking by would be good enough, osu pounds the sooners, and it’s all a moot point.
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 22, 2011 6:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Link please?
many bama fans have stated that they would rather not play in the seccg.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I don't remember the location of every comment from every article I've read
but from your own blog:
Best case scenario,
LSU wins out. Then Bama doesnt have to do a thing but beat auburn.. Beat the plainsman and we are sitting in a position that is arguably better than winning the SECCG. More time to heal. More time to prepare.
Gotta love that.
No doubt the “safest” way to the NCG is for LSU to beat Arky on Fri.
and then we beat AU. If those two things happen it is does not matter about LSU v. UGA or Okie St. v. OU.
I once wanted to play for the SEC because I felt we needed a boost. Now, I just want to get safely to the NCG.
As despondent as I felt after the LSU game….
losing actually helped us. Wacky.
but some bammers were talking sense in that same thread:
And it seems a possibility that Arky beats LSU,
Bama moves to #1 and LSU drops to #2. So Arky beats the #1 team and fails to move up (if they win a close game).
And if we get a LSU rematch, why is it that if we win a close game with LSU that we become champions? Dont get me wrong, I want it but it just seems odd that LSU would be required to play an additional game (SECCG), we get rewarded to sit at home (for losing to LSU), then we play for the NC against the only team to beat us, we win a close game, both teams have identical records, but we are crowned champs by winning on Jan. 9th? If we get to the NC game, do we need to win by 7 points? 10 points? Or does the winner of the Jan 9th game simply win the NC? Doesnt seem fair to LSU, does it?
to which this ahole responded:
We would be BCS Champions
and fuck ’em.
‘There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you’ll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,’- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Nov 21, 2011 8:54 PM ICT up reply actions 3 recs
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Took me a little while
to figure that out :-)
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
Well, my comment is absolutely true.
I could care less if anyone feels cheated. The system is what the system is. That said, I would much rather have the SEC title along with the BCS title. The 22 SEC titles are, in my opinion, Bama’s greatest accomplishment because they can’t be disputed. There’s a reason they call the national championship “mythical.”
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I believe it's pronounced BOO-YA?
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Does three= many?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Richard started off the comments referencing what he's heard on talk radio
(by the way, we miss you Richard, get some decent internet for pete’s sake!) and I started with the fact that I don’t remember where I read every one of the same type of comment on Rivals or CBSSports or in the 3000+ comments to an ESPN article or one of the online Alabama newspapers, etc., etc., etc.
For the record, before Nov 5th I argued that the two best teams should meet, regardless if it’s a rematch. But there’s still some ball to be played before the best guess can be made as to who those two teams are.
If it ends up being LSU/Bama then great, we will win by at least two touchdowns. Jordan and company will run you ragged, you don’t get the two Jarret turnovers (and I’m not dogging JL, I love that kid, but he’s not the best QB for that opponent), and Les and company have time to gameplan you, and there’s nobody better with that, ain’I’righ Chip? It will be like the overtime but from the 2nd half on, you moving backwards and AJ ducking for cover!
There’s a lot more I’d like to get into, but it’s well after midnight here so night all and Geaux Tigers!!
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, hell.
Everybody knows what types call in to radio shows. And you don’t even believe the part about 14 points. Hell, Bama’s only allowed 14 points in a game twice this year, and one was the game they just sleep-walked through.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
The Alabama Demi-God Eli Gold
just said Alabama wants LSU to win the Arkansas game so that Bama does not want to go to SEC championship.
I don't know what he said
but the fact is that there is no guarantee Bama goes to the SECCG even if Arky wins. In fact, it could be said that there’s only a 33% chance of it since LSU would have to land at #3 in the BCS for it to happen. What we do know is that LSU winning just about seals Bama’s spot in the BCSCG assuming they beat Auburn. So yeah, it makes sense for us to root for LSU.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, I absolutely do believe that we would beat you by at LEAST 14 points
man, you guys really do live in your own little world, what color is the sky in it?
Hell, Bama’s only allowed 14 points in a game twice this year, and one was the game they just sleep-walked through.
So you gave up 14 because you were “sleep-walking”?
You made the following comment here at ATVS after our WV game when I brought up your Utah Sugar Bowl fiasco (where you embarrassed the entire SEC):
Why?
I said those two teams aren’t. Utah was tough as hell the year they beat Bama, and played like they had something to prove. Conversely, Bama was disappointed to be there and lost their stud LT the day before the game.
‘There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you’ll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,’- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 AM ICT up actions
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2011/9/24/2447601/initial-impressions-lsu-47-wvu-21#
I didn’t comment on it at the time, but I thought to myself "What a bunch of pompous pricks to be disappointed in going to the f’ing Sugar Bowl!, and what a lame fricking excuse “lost their stud LT the day before the game”. We lost our best O-lineman for the f’ing season, but we’ve dealt with it.
I really do hope that we see again in NO, it will be interesting to hear what excuses you come up with then.
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
I wasn't talking about the fans.
And losing your best player the night before the game is a bit different. You’ve prepared for a month with him at LT. His replacement, OG Mike Johnson who had slid outside, went down in the first quarter. But mostly Utah just wanted it a whole lot more, and they were good.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh, and to reiterate the whole 14 points deal
what makes you think you are capable, with your middling offense, of blowing out a team that’s allowing 7 points a game?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I wasn't talking about just the fans either.
One of those teams that scored 14 on you was Arkansas, the other being the mighty Georgia Southern Eagles who put up 21. Oh but I forgot, you were sleep-walking. Anyway, here’s how our middling offense stacks up to Arkansas (courtesy of Paul Crewe):
Scoring Offense:
LSU – 37.91
Arkansas – 39.27
Passing Efficiency:
LSU – 159.38
Arkansas – 148.74
Yards Per Passing Attempt:
LSU – 8.38
Arkansas – 8.34
Completion Percentage:
LSU – 63.18%
Arkansas – 63.40%
Rushing Yards Per Carry:
LSU – 4.77
Arkansas – 4.55
RZ Efficiency
LSU – 96%
Arkansas – 87% (on only one more drive into the RZ)
Turnovers Lost
LSU – 6
Arkansas – 16
Sacks Allowed
LSU – 10
Arkansas – 20
3rd Down Conversion Percentage
LSU – 47.41%
Arkansas – 41.56%
Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. I hope we make it to NO for the championship game, and I hope we play Bama. It will be settled then, but don’t worry, I’m sure there’s a laundromat in Tuscaloosa that will give you your title.
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
You really ain't that bright, are you?
Bama played both of those similar offenses and gave up 232.5 ypg and 10.5ppg. Still haven’t shown how you will win by 14+. By the way, Bama outranks you in almost all of those categories.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Bright enough to know who's number 1 in the country
and bright enough to know that by the end of the game we had your number, and bright enough to know that our offense is just now coming in to its own with Jordan finally getting reps and running the option to perfection with a stable of running backs that gives us fresh legs in th 4th when your D is getting gassed, and bright enough to know that Georgia Southern exposed your weakness to cover that same option, and bright enough to know that our depth on D keeps us fresh in the 4th when your O is gassed and is actually moving backwards, and bright enough to know that our coach hasn’t lost to Utah or UL-M or UAB (well Ok, he was our coach when he lost to UA f’ng B), and bright enough to know that if we do lose we won’t have a thousand lame excuses like the Gumps, Paaaaawwwl.
And I’m bright enough to know what a run-on sentence is, but I was on a roll, Germans and Pearl Harbor and all that.
WAFI
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
by andyj on Nov 24, 2011 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, they do call this thread Delusional Optimism, I guess.
And I’ve yet to see any excuses I’ve given for Bama losing the last game with LSU. It was a hard-fought game between two crazy good teams that somebody had to lose. The next match would likely be just the same.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Middling offense?
LSU’s scoring output by game:
40
49
19
47
35
41
38
45
9
42
52
Gee, I can’t imagine why LSU fans might think they could beat a team by 14 points. Maybe it’s because our middling offense has topped 35 points in 9 of 11 games and 40 points in 7 of 11.
I can’t imagine any possible reason we might have confidence in our offense other than its incredible track record of success in scoring lots of points.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
Except the team you're playing in this case
has scored and allowed about the same amount.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
By the way
it should be noted that the comments you copied and pasted were from one noob with 72 total comments and one with 6 total comments. The other is from 5026, the resident crackpot conspiracy theorist. We love him and all because he’s a good dude, but he catches hell for the silliness he posts. Check out a few of his fanposts and you’ll see what I mean. Missing the trip to ATL is not seen as a positive by the vast majority of the RBR commentariat.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
The ultimate
Bammer conundrum:Would Bear have lost the Game of the Century?
If we don't win the SEC
I don’t want to play for the national title. We either earn it or we don’t.
Winning the SEC should always come first. If the BCS destroys the value of winning your conference, it should be immediately abolished. We are not the NFL.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
And if we were the NFL
It would be LSU sitting at home on Dec 3rd with a first round bye AND an SEC championship…
But instead Bama get’s the first round bye. That’s why it’s BS.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Expecting anything other than an undefeated season would be Delusional Pessimism
Great read Poseur. Ready to run through a brick wall
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 22, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I just hope they remember
the game they should have won last year. The game that knocked them out of the Sugar Bowl. Please come out pissed off and ready to tear Arky a new one.
by ScrumhalfVinny on Nov 22, 2011 11:27 AM CST reply actions
Epically rec'd
For the dilithium crystals in their hooves.
Just sit down, shut up, and cheer. That's your job as a fan.
by carlizle84 on Nov 22, 2011 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This bastard is spamming everyone's boards with his garbage.
FWIW…
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yep
saw him doing it last week on LSU and Ole Miss comment section. RTR done anything to him?
nemo me impune lacessit
Don't know.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I wouldn't call it spam, self-promotion maybe
he has written some pretty witty stuff and it sounds like a good book. Then there’s this gem from the Gump section
The mascot is an elephant named Big Al and the fight song is ‘Yea Alabama.’ They do not have an actual live elephant. Usually Miss Alabama fills the role.
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
I'm going to be proud however we win the Championship
Undefeated and demonstrably among the greatest teams ever would be nice, of course. But if we do trip up somewhere along the way and still get into and win the National Championship Game, I’m not going to discredit the outstanding accomplishments of this team by complaining about a missed opportunity at greater greatness. I’m gonna be screaming my head off in celebration of yet another National Championship for the Tigers!
'58, '03, '07, '11*
*imminent
13-0
our Last two championships have been questioned in one way or another. In 2003 they didn’t play USC,split national championship . In 2007 there were the two losses and the team leapfrogged back in. This tiger team resembles the 2007 one so much . A top draft pick leaving, his replacement arguably is playing just as well, , senior QB, young running backs, dominate d-line, underrated senior safety ( steltz), young up and coming safety( jones), Zenon and Chevis Jackson were as good as any CB in the nation. I’ll be bold enough to say that this 2011 team (except QB) is just as good or better than the 2007-2008 team.
13-0 slay the devil twice
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
If you havent scene it - The Sod Father
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Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
by jharrison2090 on Nov 22, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Even better with the comments:
“Do you renounce Satan, Leslie Edwin Miles?”
“Saban? Already played him. Tough game. Damn fine coach.”
“SATAN, Leslie Edwin Miles. Satan.”
“Never heard of him. Speed it up here, Padre. I’m late, but you already knew that. Got a real want to get out of here.”
(per EDSBS and LSUFREAK)
I WANT HOLYFIELD
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
GEAUX............TIGERS!!
The defense has to be paying attention to all the prolific Arky offense talk (and they are). Hoping for for a pig roast on Friday led by Badger and co. chance for 13-0, rare times, take advantage Tigers!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I Love You Posuer
We are unafraid. Instead, we embrace this challenge. If winning the title was easy, everybody would do it. And this is no longer just about winning a title, this is about greatness. This is about knocking on the door of the temple and then kicking that door down. This team belongs in that Pantheon of all-time great teams, now let’s go out and prove it.
Just saying
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 22, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for hockey metaphors.
LSU Tigers: 11-0 (7-0 SEC, 1-0 Game of the Century)
Geaux to Division II, Ole Miss.
by TheOtherAndrew on Nov 22, 2011 11:53 PM CST reply actions
I too love the Hockey References Of course this is dependent on LSU beating Arkansas and Georgia--
But good article;
"The Tigers, if they beat No. 3 Arkansas on Friday and No. 13 Georgia the following week in the SEC championship game, should win by acclimation.
Consider not just that they have already beaten the most qualified contender, Alabama, on its home field.
But mull this over too: if LSU finishes the regular season unbeaten, it will have done so with victories against three teams that are quite likely to be in BCS bowl games (No. 2 Alabama, No. 9 Oregon and West Virginia, which has the inside track to the Big East title). None of those wins came at home.
BIG BANG THEORY
Last week’s results shook up the BCS. This week it could all go boom. Peter Schrager
The Tigers will play eight games against teams that were ranked when they met and only their 9-6 overtime win at Alabama has been closer than 13 points.
If the point of the BCS is to match up the two best teams in the country, then what’s the point? It already happened less than three weeks ago and we know who won."
You can bet
If we lose to Arky or Georgia, like the “unbeaten in regulation” argument in ‘07, Miles will politick hard on the # of ranked teams, esp. highly ranked teams, we’ve beaten
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 23, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
No way LSU falls lower than #2. Don’t see y’all losing anyway.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
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| West | Conf | Overall | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| W | L | W | L | |
1 LSU Tigers  |
19 | 11 | 42 | 14 |
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16 | 14 | 39 | 17 |
| 7 Mississippi St. Bulldogs |
16 | 14 | 34 | 21 |
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14 | 16 | 34 | 22 |
| 10 Auburn Tigers |
13 | 17 | 30 | 26 |
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9 | 21 | 21 | 34 |
| East | Conf | Overall | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| W | L | W | L | |
| 2 South Carolina Gamecocks |
18 | 11 | 39 | 15 |
| 4 Kentucky Wildcats |
18 | 12 | 41 | 15 |
| 3 Florida Gators |
18 | 12 | 40 | 16 |
| 5 Vanderbilt Commodores |
16 | 14 | 29 | 25 |
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14 | 15 | 31 | 24 |
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8 | 22 | 24 | 31 |
