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Comments Requested: Proposed BCS Solution

 

1) Replace USA Today Coaches Poll with AP Poll.  This may take some coaxing of the AP, as it is my

understanding that it was the AP which opted out of the BCS system, at which point the USA Today Coaches Poll

was born.  The coaches poll is a joke for the simple reason that there is no way busy coaches - or their assistants -

could possibly really be watching these games.  Say what you want about the journalists; even in this day of media

consolidation and relying on the wire services, they are still paid to report on the games with some level of accuracy,

which requires some knowledge of what the  teams are actually doing/did.

 

2) Have the computers and the pollsters RANK THE CONFERENCES (ALL CONFERENCES) RATHER THAN THE 

INDIVIDUAL TEAMS.  

 

3) At the end of the year - AFTER THE CONFERENCE CHAMPION IS DECIDED (by whatever method the particular 

conference uses) - the CHAMPION of the 2 highest ranked conferences play in the NCG.  HOW the conference

champion is decided is up to each conference.  Don't like that, in your conference, you have to play a championship

game to become the "champion?"  Complain to your conference!  Don't like that the pollsters and computers rank

conferences that have to play championship games higher than those that don't?  Complain to your conference.

 

4) The champions of the 8 top ranked conferences get automatic bowl berths; TOP 2 go to the NCG; other 6 go to

other BCS bowl games.  

 

This eliminates the winner of a weak conference (e.g., currently the Big East) getting an automatic bid to a big time

bowl.  It  also ensures that 2 teams from the same conference won't be playing in the NCG - or any other BCS game

for that matter.  It is no more penalizing to the "lesser conferences" than the current system is.  It ensures that the

CHAMPION of the 2 highest  ranked conferences play each other in the NCG.  It also ensures that conference

champions play in EVERY BCS bowl game.  

 

I suggest that this will also promote conferences to do everything they can to make the conference stronger,

because it is the overall strength of the conference that determines the value of your championship in that

conference.  

 

Will this promote or discourage more re-alignment?  Don't know.  On the one hand, teams could try to get into

stronger conferences on the hope  that one day they will win the championship.  On the other hand, teams may

decide that, by moving to a stronger conference,  their chances of every winning a championship are slim-to-none,

and that it is therefore better to stay put and push to  strengthen the conference.

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I don't like it at all

This means that a strong team, which in a particular year happens to be the best team in the country, but which is in a weak conference (either weak that year, or permanently weak) can never get to the NCG. This will promote average teams to the NCG just because the average strength of their conference is higher.

The NCG should be about the best teams, not the average strength of the conferences.

This would also promote instability in conferences, as teams go looking for stronger ones in the hope of achieving glory. And there would be just as many problems with the rankings, as there really isn’t that much play between the conferences to give an accurate guide to their relative strengths – for example, there is no unanimity at the moment about which is currently the strongest conference. Also, what do you do about the independents, e.g. Notre Dame? You are effectively saying that they can never get to the NCG.

by Energyman on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 AM CST reply actions  

But...

I like the idea of getting rid of the Coaches’ Poll. I agree it cannot be based on proper observation.

by Energyman on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

here's my few minutes worth of thinking about it

what about a plus one with the BCS tie-ins rotating between the AQ conferences and the at-large bids?

by haveagreatday on Nov 29, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

So You Are Not Bothered . . .

. . . that this year’s NCG COULD be played between 2 teams that didn’t win their conference, or that Alabama in effect could be rewarded for losing?

As to ND: JOIN A CONFERENCE

As to the best teams argument: Prove it by winning your conference.

I addressed the realignment issue. I think it could go either way.

by Deluded on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

Not really, no.

I believe it makes fundamental sense that the top 2 teams should play off in a NCG. The real issue is, how are they to be chosen?

The current rules of the BCS are clear – the NCG is to be between the two highest-ranked teams in the country, as judged at the completion of the season. Given that there are so many FBS teams, and only 12 games, using a ranking system is a reasonable way to choose who plays. Even your solution uses rankings, for conferences.

There are good arguments for a different system to be used, such as a playoff. However I don’t believe anyone would seriously want an NCG which did not choose the best 2 teams, however they are to be identified. Your solution, as often as not, would produce 2 teams for the NCG which unarguably were not the best 2 teams, just the winners of the strongest conferences.

For example, I can imagine a scenario in which WVU is universally recognized as the best team in the country, but the Big East is never one of the strongest football conferences. No matter how many times they win their conference they would never make it to the NCG. (Yes, I realize the are moving conferences, but it is a good example of what could happen with your suggested system.)

As long as LSU wins the SECCG, I am completely relaxed about Alabama being the second team in the NCG, because it was the team which clearly is the best in the country which kept Alabama from the SECCG. It is entirely possible that the 2 best teams in the country are in the same conference or division, and I think that this season is a good example to prove that. Without pre-judging the voters on Sunday, I will be surprised if they choose OSL (assuming LSU wins out).

If LSU loses the SECCG, that isn’t necessarily inconsistent with LSU and Alabama and LSU being the 2 best teams in the country, it just raises an additional quesiton about whether they really are the 2 best teams.

I’m very relaxed about a different system for choosing the NCG participants, but I strongly feel it needs to identify the 2 best teams, not conferences. The winners of the 2 strongest conferences are not necessarily the 2 best teams in the country.

by Energyman on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If the top ranked team isnt from one of the top two conferences

then have a playoff game on those years between the champion from the #2 conference and the top ranked team. Winner plays the champ from the #1 conference.

by LSUtigers27 on Nov 30, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm.

So now we are back to individual team rankings determining who gets into the NCG, but with the burden of an extra playoff game…?

Bottom line is this – if we believe there should be a NCG between the 2 best teams in the country, then we need to find a good way to choose them. There are a number of ways by which that could be achieved, but ranking conferences (and choosing the winner of the highest ranked conferences) is less likely than other methods to get you the two best teams, because it focuses on the average strength of the conference rather than the quality of individual teams.

by Energyman on Dec 1, 2011 6:50 AM CST up reply actions  

if youre giving 8 conferences automatic berths

youre going to have some fairly weak teams getting BCS berths. I’m guessing in a season like this it would allow both Boise and Houston in BCS games?

by LSUtigers27 on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

And keep in mind

This is a particularly strong year for non-AQ conference champions. They’re usually not as good as Houston and TCU (they beat Boise, so they’ll win the MWC if they beat UNLV on Saturday). Look at 2009: the 8th spot would go to either East Carolina, Ohio or Troy.
I actually don’t have a problem with both Houston and TCU (or Boise) going to BCS bowls. If you just look at their records, they earned it. But the bowls will never allow it because those teams don’t have the fanbase to support it. They’d rather let in a 9-3 Nebraska team that would guarantee a sell-out than an undefeated Houston squad which is the 5th or 6th most popular team in its own state. And until a true playoff system is implemented (which will probably be never), bowls will always ignore performance on the field in favor of what teams have the biggest draw.

by Uncle Mo's Family Feedbag on Dec 1, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This season it would look something like

NCG: LSU vs. Oklahoma State
Rose: Wisconsin vs. Oregon
Orange: Virginia Tech vs. Boise
Sugar: Houston vs. Alabama
Fiesta: West Virginia vs. Stanford

I guess it wouldnt be too bad for this season but I could see the Bowls getting fed up with having to pick teams like Boise and Houston every year.

by LSUtigers27 on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

Right

I’ m not sure who would be bothered by this except for some of the moneyed interests connected to the bowl system (and after seeing the Real Sports installment on that, I could care less whether they like it).

Also, aren’t they already committed to certain conferences in some of these bowls? SEC winner to the Sugar; ACC winner to the Orange; Big 10 and Pac 12 to the Rose? I’m not sure how that would change.

by Deluded on Dec 2, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Clarification

Actually, the commitment by/to the bowls would now be by conference ranking, and could rotate like the NCG does now. Example; Year 1, Sugar gets #3 team; next year, Rose gets #3 team, etc.

by Deluded on Dec 2, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Also . .

. . . that assumes that Boise’s & Houston’s conferences are strong enough to merit the invite every year.

Like you said, your projected bowl lineup actually looks pretty good. It also eliminates the “we never get a BCS bowl” complaint from the Boises and Houstons of the world. I personally think that Alabama would crush Houston, but that doesn’t mean Houston shouldn’t get the opportunity to prove me wrong.

by Deluded on Dec 2, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

more

I don’t know how many conferences there are, but each year only 8 conferences get BCS bowl bids.

by Deluded on Dec 2, 2011 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

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