Initial Impressions: LSU 9, Bama 6
by Poseur on Nov 5, 2011 11:08 PM CDT
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so that game was Christina Hendricks.
But outside of LSU fans, that was an ugly, ugly game. LSU's offense was completely unable to do anything outside of one drive. Miles had two options at quarterback -- one guy who couldn't throw and the other who was only throwing interceptions.
Les Miles made the choice to go with the guy who couldn't throw, because no yards are better than giving the ball to the other team. Jordan Jefferson's line was brutal: 6/10 for 67 yards with 11 rushes for 43 yards. His ATVSQBPI was a pedestrian 5.238.
Well, it was beautiful.
This game was everything we thought it would be. Two big time programs throwing haymakers at one another, and two near-NFL defenses just laying the wood. This game could have gone either way and both teams proved themselves to be worthy of the hype. Both defenses, especially, were as great as advertised.
Miles essentially found a way to win this game without an offense. He did it with defense and special teams.
The defenses tonight fought, essentially, to a draw. Both units were great and got big stop after big stop, and forced huge turnovers. Before we talk about how bad either offense is, let's give credit to both defenses, which played like world beaters. They made those offenses look bad. It's what they do.
But LSU won this game on special teams.
Alabama kickers went 2 for 6, including missing the critical 52-yarder in overtime. LSU's kickers hit three short field goals, including two pressure packed kicks after Saban called a timeout to ice the kicker.
But... Brad Wing. Oh my God. Eric Reid's interception was huge, but Bama still likely gets points without Brad Wing's 73 yard punt to flip field position. Of Wing's six punts, four were inside the 20, and another was perhaps the key play of the game.
Everyone makes fun of kickers as not really football players. Well, tonight, LSU's kickers just won the biggest game of the year. And it was absolutely beautiful.
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I know this isn't the time
But think about how stiff this defense will be next year.
by haveagreatday on Nov 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
our defensive gaffs
Resulted in better field position for bama but they stepped up and held them out of the endzone when it mattered. My heart will be racing til Thursday after this one.
I think the biggest mistake for lee was going deep instead of the play calling for a short route that he knows he can make. If we run an in or a slant it probably doesn’t result in the second pick and lee probably stays in the game. To me the play call of going for everything on his first play back in was playing to a weakness rather than building up with his strengths
by ORtigerfan on Nov 5, 2011 11:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
on lee-exactly. Why keep hi out that long
and then have him go deep
What are we going to do about Tyrann?
because IMO something needs to be done.
Charter member of the Tyrann Mathieu fan club
#firecraigjames
In Miles hands?
Will Coach Miles take any actions concerning Mathieu’s flagrant foul, which should have earned an ejection, or does he support thug actions on the field?
by JohnnyWilson on Nov 5, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He tried to get away with a hold
It wasn’t malicious or intended to injure him, IMO
by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 5, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what I saw
My coworkers are convinced he took a swing but I saw a hold where kirkpatrick landed wrong because they were running at full speed. I’m ok with seeing TM7 sit a half as punishment but ultimately it’s miles’ call
by ORtigerfan on Nov 5, 2011 11:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
didnt seem malicious to me
dumb play but not malicious—and they had been going at it all night
I'm going back and forth on this
Malicious or not, that was a dangerous moment to try and hold a guy. And after the game Dre Kirk had been having, it looked like an act of frustration. That’s what bothers me.
by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 6, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
TM7
Was on Twitter today saying " @TM7_Era: S/0 to Dre didn’t mean to do what I did but it’s a technique that we practice, you were just tall as hell and fast as you kno what! Goodluck"
Sounds like an effort penalty and a mistake to me but I haven’t heard anything about Dre’s take on it
by ORtigerfan on Nov 6, 2011 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
glad to see that.
I am w/ Big McLargeHuge on this… not sure what to think. I would be ticked if a I was a bama fan.
bama consistently toes the line between dirty and physical
and i’m not going to apologize for playing that way too
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Are you kidding me?
One penalty from a passoinate player"?
Give me a break!!!L
by Displaced Tiger on Nov 6, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
+100,000,000
When all your wishes are granted....All you dreams will be destroyed.
by AcquiredPanic on Nov 6, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't be serious
In no way, form, or fashion was TM7’s play dirty? I mean damn he was HOLDING, ok move on to the next play. Be done about what?
by Howard Green on Nov 6, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That was a stupid, stupid penalty.
And in real time, with the injury, it seemed dirty. I wasn’t really that dirty though — just stupid.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Completely Unnecessary
The more I look at it, the more it pisses me off. That penalty negated a great return by ODB that would’ve set us up in some nice field position. I can understand Tyrann wanting to try to make a play, but wow. That mistake could’ve cost us the game.
"Dracula and LSU are at their best after the sun goes down." - ESPN
by Chinese Bandit on Nov 6, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Our kicking game
Won. When will stats include this? Wing’s skill, Aleman’s sturdy competence, and Bama’s failures equalled a win. If it came down to kicking, I knew we would.
by CeeDave on Nov 5, 2011 11:25 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Our strongest area....
….as it relates to this matchup was Special Teams. We had the edge, and it showed.
Not just the Field Goals, but Punt and Kickoff Return and Coverage Units all shined when needed. Outside of the Mathieu Penalty, that was a clean sheet.
Eric Reid played the game of his life. However, everyone on the team contributed as usual, to a team victory.
Well done.
Forever LSU, 'cause that's how we roll.
Just Like Old Times
That was like recent seasons, in that my heart was in my throat most of the time. I had nearly forgotten how tough that could be. I was jumping around and swearing at JJ, but maybe it was better to play him than give the ball away. I assume that was Miles’s great plan; to hide JJ for most of the year and let Bama plan against Lee, then make them PLAY against JJ. Can’t say that it really worked, though. I wished we had let JL play more and get in rhythm, but who knows, that could have been even worse. Great D play, inept offense. Long live Brad Wing. Now we gotta watch out for Arky! Geaux Tigers!
on lee's 2nd INT..
I may have been the only one to catch this but it look as though Diangelo ran an out expecting 1on1 coverage and Lee read the “shell zone” correctly.. he through to the soft spot in the zone (which would have been between the 1 & 9 on his jersey.. but since Peterson continued the “out route” the ball was behind him and right to the Bama DB. Had Diangelo Peterson squatted in the zone.. 18 – 24 yrd gain.. first down.. keep the O rolling..
by TigerBornTigerRaised on Nov 6, 2011 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Any news on Dre Kirk's injury? He played lights out
by Big McLargeHuge on Nov 5, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions
hope he's ok
Looked like he landed wrong, hate to see him seriously hurt
by ORtigerfan on Nov 5, 2011 11:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's a concussion
I’d be surprised if he plays next week, but I think he will be okay in the long run.
Proud member of the Fax Girl fan club.
by billycthulhu on Nov 6, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
No shame on Lee
Both these offenses are good, but when the two best defenses in the country play there is not going to be much scoring. No shame on Lee. Yes, he did throw 2 picks, but 1 was the result of a bad snap, and on the other he got picked by probably the best safety in the country. It was pretty obvious Jefferson has not changed much from last year, he still can’t make the reads fast enough and gets sacked. I am glad we are playing WKU next week and do not have to worry about the let down game.
Geaux Tigers!
by Memphisexile on Nov 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you are so right. To me LSU’s schedule this year set up perfect. Bye pre and post Alabama (W. Kentucky is basically a bye) And they won’t overlook either Ole Miss (close win last year) or Arkansas (lost)
As for offense struggles I just give credit to Bama. Until someone without an NFL quality defense shuts LSU down I’m not worried.
"Saints fans should be sending Paul Tagliabue primo Hollywood quality hookers monthly for the remainder of his life"---Andrew Juge
Don't take W
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
Don't take W
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
Don't take W
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
Don't take WKU for granted, they've won 5 in a row
sorry for the triple post, my son hit and held something on they keyboard
Head coach Les Miles of the LSU Tigers leads his team in their usual pregame warmup song "Head, Sheauxlders, Knees, and Teauxs." -Spencer Hall
I agree, that will come in fiesty like McNeese did--they talked trash to Kentucky earlier in the year...
just take care of business Tigers! Such a great win last night
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Agree
I thought the move to JJ was the right one and I hope we continue to use them both; cus we sure need them both.
This
I thought tonight was JJ’s game. There were games before tonight for JL and there will be games after tonight where he will do well, but JJ was confident and managed the game well. CBS’ shots to the secondary clearly showed guys just were not open, so JJ ran the bad.. I loved it. JL should keep his head up continue to work hard and come back better the next game.
by Howard Green on Nov 6, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Congrats, Tigers....
I’m more than a little pissed off at the final score…but it was a hell of a game. You guys earned it. We made mistakes, you made us pay. LSU deserves to celebrate this one, for sure, and I know you will. At the end of the day, Bama can’t blame this one on anyone but ourselves.
Seriously, I wish you all well. I love Alabama, but I love competition and I love the game more.
Now Geaux win the national championship.
(I’m gonna geaux get some more tequila)
"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban
by KongAtTheGates on Nov 5, 2011 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, two great teams, great game. One game at a time; Hilltoppers up next
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Nov 6, 2011 12:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love Alabama, but I love competition and I love the game more.
Last part all day long, sir!
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
IMHO
Good defense negates good offense, and great defense negates its bad offense. We have, since 2003, functioned off the latter principal, and tonight was no different. We haven’t had a sexy, overpowering offense, and haven’t needed one to win as much as we do. What we have is a defense which blocks the redzone from opposing offenses, and a special teams that gains yards and points. I am perfectly happy with tonight’s win, because it highlighted our strengths. When our offense failed, our special teams pinned Bama deep, and our D shut them down well short of the end zone. When we turned it over close to our own end zone, our D stopped them for field goals, and then we eventually responded. Right now, we’re playing excellent fundamental football, even if it is with huge gaps, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. To be honest, this was the one game I was scared of, and our TEAM (highlighted because everyone contributed, not just our stars) responded like a championship team. I am damn proud to be an LSU fan today.
This
and another reason why STATS don’t tell the hole picture. Our Redzone D statistically has been atrocious, but our gusy bowed up and stiffenned everytime Bama got close. They should be commended.
by Howard Green on Nov 6, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
The greatest game
I’ve witnessed. I was frustrated through 4 qtrs of it but looking back, it’s indeed beautiful.
bama has won a lot of games
like this over the years against nearly equal teams (many of those LSU teams), and it feels nice to get em back. Let’s win out and keep it going next year. This is a young team. Miles has built the foundation for a dynasty.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
I don't wanna use the d-word
Feel like I would jinx something. But here’s a scary thought: we will probably be better next year.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Yay!
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
,,,,
More than one way to skin a cat… copy & paste!
LMAO!!!
I texted this very line to a buddy back home after the game!
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Im not Saying Jefferson played good
The offense was dreadful but when he was in he was able to run the option get a first down then we would punt. Just small differences in field position can mean alot in a tight football game. best game Michael ford has played all season, He normally seems to run timid. Tonight he was running hard and punishing defenders.
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
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ware
Earned a lot of hard yards but he had the hardest job of running into the teeth of bama’s d. Stat sheet looked sub-par but I think ware’s hard carries opened it up for ford’s sideline success
by ORtigerfan on Nov 6, 2011 12:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would just like to say
That I got drunk tonight, and got beer thrown in my face (because everybody in the Varsity did it when we won), and met Mo Isom, and feel like I just ran a marathon, and I’m very happy to still be awake, and damn happy to have Les Miles coaching my alma mater’s team.
Geaux Tigers. Thank you Baton Rouge goodnight.
/dropsmike.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Nov 6, 2011 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Les Miles is now 3-2 against the oh so wonderful Nick Saban.
hopefully, any remaining ideas that Miles is inferior to Saban should be eliminated.
And it’s time for a certain columnist in Shreveport to eat some crow.
Oh, and Paul Finebaum. I wonder what he has to say?
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
This
Overheard a guy in a restaurant a few weeks back, when we were 5-0 and ranked number one mind you, tell someone how “Les Miles is an idiot and he has nothing on Saban.” ….Really? Really?!? I hope to see him again one day….maybe I’ll have the courage to tell him who the idiot is…
You can figure out
Pretty quickly how much a person knows about CFB by asking them their opinion of les. It’s the perfect litmus test
by haveagreatday on Nov 6, 2011 8:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly!
I’ve thought that for a while. Anyone that thinks Miles is a bad coach at this point is a complete imbecile.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg/Egg
If I could marry a comment, I would marry yours
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
IMHO
LSU outcoached Bama in this game. Yes, there were no crazy gamble calls, but Miles didn’t do anything to hurt our team. He was content with the small gaines and grinding it out.
Bama had many questionable offensive playcalls. They didnt try to grind it out lije us, they tried to get cute with a double reversed, resulted in a loss, and a Wildcat throw which reseulted in a great INT. I thought their screen game was working very well and feel they should have ran more. Also too many playcalls where the RB got the ball 5 yds deep in the backfield and those TFLs killed them. Also, they didn’t call a TO at the end of regulation and played for OT, which was a huge mistake. Play calling was huge in this game, and we were better in that aspect.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Nov 6, 2011 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think the offensive playcalling was all that great for us.
But Bama made some outright stupid calls so it tipped it in our favor.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
I agree totally
Great game. Great win by LSU. Your team deserves it.
I still can’t understand why Saban and the Bama coaching staff chose to attempt so many low percentage field goals instead of punting and keeping field position in the first half. The first attempt I get, the next two were ridiculous. In my opinion, it looked a little bit desperate on our part.
I would have preferred to see us play more field position and show a little more commitment to the power running game than we did. Can’t understand taking the ball out of Richardson’s hands on offense in favor of ‘gimmick’ plays.
"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."
I agree.
what shocked me the most at the time was the fact that saban “packed it in” at the end of regulation w/o even one screen pass or some other low risk play to move the ball into FG range.
this was always my biggest gripe w/ saban. he is conservative to a fault.
5-2 Vs Bama
In a league about standard of excellence and all of that stuff… Les Miles is defining it.
Pretty Quiet
Here in Tuscaloosa. Been up since 7:30 this morning. A buddy of mine and I were walking to the BP on the strip this morning and I just stopped, turned to him and said “hey, let’s soak this in”. You could just feel how special of a day this was going to be. The game was all it was billed to be in my opinion and the stadium was absolutely electric. I don’t think I’ve ever thought I was really going to have a panic attack before tonight. Wow. One of the best experiences of my life.
"Dracula and LSU are at their best after the sun goes down." - ESPN
by Chinese Bandit on Nov 6, 2011 2:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Actually, LSU could finish the season with more wins over ranked opponents
than anyone ever has.
I think 4 teams (including 07 LSU) have won seven.
If we beat the Pigs that will be seven, then we have the SEC and Bowl Game so LSU could finish with NINE wins versus ranked teams.
USC in 2002 actually played nine but went 7-2 so this could be the best EVER!!!
Just saying.
(BTW this should also include at least four top fives if the hogs keep winning until they LOSE to us, maybe five if UGA beats Auburn and then GTech impressively)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
What a game.
I remember 2003 when we were better off with our defense on the field because they just would. not. yeild.
This defense is as good, probably better.
A word to the wise; don’t try to throw over the top of our Dbacks, ITS A TRAP!
The good news is, unless we have to beat bama again in the BCSNCG, our offense will not face another challenge like that again and frankly, they did what they had to do to get it done.
9-6, 20-10, or 31-0 a win is a win is a WIN.
Finally, and I promise not to do this ever again but I just have to. To all of my fellow purple and gold blooded Tiger fans that had a hard time believing in Les Miles; I TOLD YOU SO!!
Never, ever, EVER, doubt the Hat. We have the best coach in College Football, PERIOD.
Geaux Tigers!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
You Da Man...
I agree, you told us so over and over and over again. It just took some of us a while to see what you saw all along. I’ll bet the old U of M had made a stronger pitch for him a couple of years back. He still scares me a little though when it get’s in front of a microphone. He’s crazy alright, like a fox.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it...
SouthernMan
I knew I had stumbled upon a great blog here at ATVS when I came across your posts about Miles’ last year. Just want to personally thank you for the Les Miles love.
Never, ever, EVER, doubt the Hat. We have the best coach in College Football, PERIOD.
I said I wanted to marry Greg/Egg’s comment above now I’m a polygamist! :)
Geaux Tigers!
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Curtis but ATVS was great long before I came along
and really I’m just glad they let me hang around. It was touch and go there for a while! :)
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
As a uconn fan,
i have to tell you guys two things:
1- congrats
2- michael ford should for sure be your starter
Ingredients for a NCAA Championship: Kemba Walker, Jeremy Lamb, Alex Oriakhi, etc.
and by the way,
nobody will come close to beating that defense of yours
Ingredients for a NCAA Championship: Kemba Walker, Jeremy Lamb, Alex Oriakhi, etc.
by dirtybirdie on Nov 6, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no he is the perfect
compliment to ware. Ware softens up the middle and ford is able to gash outside. You never mess with what is working
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
This
Ware just had to run straight into a brick wall.
Just like the QBs, we just have options. It doesn’t matter who starts, we are gonna play who we need for the situation and having 5 RBs that could start is just well, sick….
We can drive the Ford, Ware em out, give em the Blue(s), Gore em to death or beat em with nepotism, I’m we’re good no matter what!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Not sure I agree with point 2
I am not sure sure Ford runs for 70 some yards on 11 (?) carries if it wasn’t for Ware. Ford has some issues with fumbling, which is why we don’t run him up the middle as much.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Last night
Ford should’ve gotten more carries. Just like at the quarterback position it was Jefferson’s game…at the running back position it was Ford’s game tonight. Ware didn’t match up great.
Ford also has glaring deficiencies in pass protection
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Mencken
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
New found respect for Joe-Pa
How he managed to score points on this excellent AL defense is unbelievable. Then again, KS did have two weeks to prepare.
For accuracy
They only managed 3 on the first team defense
"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."
New found respect for Joe-Pa
Yea, I’ve lost all respect for him, if the reports and court records are accurate.
Cover up a straight up sexual predator on your staff and your 40 year legacy just went right out the window.
Along with PSU’s future. Clean house (whole AD and coaching Staff) or no way you get respectable recruiting from now on.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
this could be the off-the-field story of the 2nd half of the season
If the allegations are true – everybody at the top of that administration may need to be fired.
I just read the story ive been to LSU Bama Focused this week
That is just sick that the people their knew about this for years and didn’t do anything. Protecting a pervert is about the worst thing you can do as an organization or as human beings for that matter
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by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
JoePa didn't cover up
The police documents exonerate, even praise, his actions. The fault lies with the AD and other administrators who did nothing.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
I didnt say Joe pa
but now thinking about it if im at my job and someone comes to me and says a co-worker was raping a young boy in the showers on company property. After 10 years he is still showing up in the office like nothing happen im calling the police or demanding to know what the status of the case is.
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Just cross out "i didnt say joe pa" everything else counts
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
JoePa
He reported the rumor to his superiors. The next year, Sandusky, who was the heir apparent at PSU, was forced out. What else do we want JoePa to do? Conduct the investigation?
“Hey, what’s the status on the investigation of my former employee?”
PSU administration on the other hand — they apparently just swept it under the rug. Which is very very bad.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
He was forced out
but he still had an office at the football complex, had a telephone number and was listed in the school directory. Not saying conduct the investigation but do something. I dont care about protocol. Obviously he didn’t do enough because it took ten years for it to come out. Im sorry he knew about it, was apart of the cover up, he is part to blame.
What more could he have done? I dont know. Call the COPS. Im pretty sure Joe Pa knows somebody on the police force. If this was something trivial as a book scam, tutor problem, ok let your superiors know and move on. This was Child Abuse no excuses.
Nelson Cruz has a Boom Stick and its epic
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
P1 Day 1
by jharrison2090 on Nov 6, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Pa
I just think it’s part of the whole we need to blame somebody thing. How can JoePa fill out a police report? He doesn’t have first hand knowledge, he has someone else’s story? Why doesn’t that person go to the cops? Paterno did what he should’ve done with the info — inform his superiors and then let the guy walk away from his job (if you fire him for this allegation and you’re wrong, you’ve exposed the university to a multi-million dollar lawsuit).
I’m not saying Paterno deserves a medal or anything, but on the list of people to blame, he ranks somewhere about 3,038th. I don’t have much patience for the Blame Culture when there are such obvious villains staring us in the face.
How about we focus on Sandusky himself or the AD accused of perjury?
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
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we'll find out more in the coming weeks
But if as the original ESPn story said – if Joe Pa was told by other coaches and GA’s that this behavior was going on – more is required than just telling the AD – perhaps not legally, but ethically. But I’m in no rush to condemn him – we don’t know the facts.
And I understand your point about blame culture Poseur
But we also have a cultural issue of people doing the bare minimum to not get in legal trouble. When it comes to protecting little kids – more is required. Quite frankly, the Catholic Church learned this the hard way – and public school administrator’s are likely about to – tons of lawsuits coming down the pike about teachers getting shifted to different schools after molesting kids rather than being fired.
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And don’t think for a second I don’t think Penn St’s administration doesn’t deserve a whole heap of blame and repsonsiblity. But from what I’ve read so far, it doesn’t really extend to Joe Pa. He was actually cited positively by the police for his conduct.
He forced out the coach, who was the Heir Apparent and he informed the administration. How can he go to the police? How can he file a police report without first person knowledge of a crime? Outside of conducting an investigation himself, he did act appropriately. It’s not JoePa’s fault the AD is apparently run by the Catholic Church.
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It comes off to me as Tressel saying I didn’t know who to call so I called his street agent.
I will reserve judgment until I know all the facts but simply passing it off to the AD when it happened multiple times and then the AD perjures himself, etc…
BIG problems with that whole deal.
LSU is on probation because of an underhanded move by a position coach and Les was praised for his actions in dealing with it. Didn’t shield him or LSU from the consequences and if a 10 year cover up took place with JoPa’s knowledge then I’m sorry, that’s gonna hurt him too, and it should.
How about we focus on Sandusky himself or the AD accused of perjury?
Yes, they should go to jail.
JoPa just needs to be ‘forced out’ and anybody in the administration that knew about all this should be fired.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511
Sorry, no pass for JoPa.
He should have notified the Authorities; the President, AD, all of em should be removed from their positions and the two that committed perjury should go to jail along with the pervert serial child rapist.
I know the grand jury is not a conviction and I’m the one that has been screaming for innocent until proven guilty around here but the inaction of Penn State is really not in question.
There WAS a cover up, so the court can decide if they are deserving of prison time but they absolutely should be suspended, at minimum, from their positions.
I have had nothing but mad respect for JoPa for decades but wow, JoPa, just wow.
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Holy. . .
That has to be one of the most disturbing stories that I’ve read in a long time.
If the allegations are true, everyone involved that did not report upward needs to ba accontable.
The sad thing to me is that the child and/or children involved were never searched out and protected in some way.
I don’t have much more to say. If this is true, they all have to pay the highest price possible.
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by Purpletiger006 on Nov 6, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, its sad really
JoPa’s legacy has just ended in terrible dishonor.
As I’ve read Black Shoe Diaries, the SBN Penn State Blog, there is a full breakdown of the GJ report.
JoPa will not survive, nor will the administration. Penn State alum are still in a state of shock but their anger is beginning to boil and I’d be surprised if you don’t start seeing a bunch of resignations this week with JoPa possibly making it thru the season but maybe not.
Either way, he will not be the head coach to start next year and this scandal will follow him to his grave, unfair or not.
He SHOULD have demanded more accountability and being JoPa, he would have gotten it.
RIP JoPa.
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I don't know Poseur
Chris Grovich from BSD asks a very troubling question:
Finally, if someone can rationally explain to me why the hell Jerry Sandusky was permitted to have continued access to Penn State facilities and events (nevermind have permanent office space at Lasch after his “retirement”), I’d love to hear it.
I would be very inclined to agree with you, and give Paterno the benefit of the doubt had Sandusky not allegedly continued to use Penn State facilities and his connection to the program to abuse children. If he did (i reiterate — IF) then… damn. It would have happened not only on Paterno’s watch, but after he knew of an initial alleged incident. There’s simply no excuse for that in my opinion. It would be unforgivable; I don’t care who it is.
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by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Of course I'm not ready to string up anyone yet.
I just hate to think where this might be going.
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by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if it gets there...
… I’ll help get the rope. But until then, we all need to slow our roll and wait to see if it actually gets there.
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Poseur, serious question
I try not to overreact to things and we all know from recent experiences that the first reports are offten ‘left of center’ but this is a fully detailed grand jury report and a lot of court records that include like eight different victims over a decade or so with Penn State knowing about some of the allegations and then having a coaching staff member witness a child being raped.
My question is have your read the GJ report and don’t see wrong on JoPa’s part or are you just generally saying slow down and let’s get the facts?
If the later, go to Black Shoe Diaries and read the report then tell me what you think. If the former, then I completely disagree.
JoPa KNEW enough to KNOW that it was being swept under the rug and he has a HUMAN AND MORAL responsibility to raise the flag come what may.
Just simply having called the guy that did the sweeping does not absolve him.
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I read part of it
Honestly, I couldn’t get through it. It’s pretty awful and about halfway through I asked myself, “Why am i reading this?”
but generally, I’m saying let’s not condemn every possible person until the facts come out. there are plenty enough villains already on the table before it boils down to “it’s all Paterno’s fault”.
Eyes on the prize: Sandusky is a sick fuck and the Penn St AD covered up for him.
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Oh man...
I really hate thinking about it. I’m going to reserve judgement until I get more facts.
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by Eggplant Wizard on Nov 6, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Extraordinarily upsetting.
I’m no huge fan or hater of Jo Pa. I thought he really believed all this “builder of men” stuff. That Indictment does not present facts that Jo Pa can say, “hey, I was busy with football and reported it to the AD. I can’t keep up with every coach-on-child rape in the building.” A young boy was raped in the football facility, eyewitnesses by a current assistant coach. After the event, he was not allowed to bring young boys to PSU.
That tells me they knew he was a threat and only cared about keeping PSU out of the liability path. Part of that liability plan was to not involve the police – raise rug, sweep repeatedly. That was the right legal move to protect PSU, but runs afoul of other more pressing moral and legal rules. I can’t figure out how the asst coach just kept at work seeing this man walk around taking pics with Jo Pa, etc. I’m totally and completely floored by this. This makes Tressel look like a jay walker.
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by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Nov 7, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Is it weird
If I get more excited when the OPPOSING team throws deep than when we do?
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LOL - I do the same thing!
How crazy is that?!
So happy for Coach Miles
Great, great win. Low scoring, defensive games are awesome especially since we won; the 7-6 win over AU back in 88 was just as great. Reid set the tone with the big pop on TR in the open field. A friend said this would be like Ali Frasier and that made sense watching it. god bless smoking Joe who is very I’ll today.
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by mjtig on Nov 6, 2011 11:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Brandon Taylor
He was so critical in this game. I’m not discounting the play of he game made by Eric Ried, but BT #18 outside of 1 missed open field tackle made so many crucial plays throught the whole game. He is such a stud.
I have a real want for a great season.
Excellent point
Taylor is certainly worthy of the #18 jersey
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Brandon Taylor is a god
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One of the best plays he "made" was...
not lighting up the Bama WR in the end zone on a deep pass. He had him dead to rights but let up. The refs could have easily thrown the flag in that situation.
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 6, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
It was his fault though
That Williams was open, right? I’m pretty sure Reid had to cover for him, but I could be wrong. Either way, it was just one play, and yeah he’s a HUGE part of our defense.
May be talking about a different play
The one I’m thinking of he was in a deep zone or free coverage over the top helping out (at least that’s how I remember it)
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 7, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah we are
Sorry I was talking about Reid’s pick…what quarter did the one you’re talking about occur?
Hmmm you got me on that one
I was drunk but I want to say 2nd quarter maybe?
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 8, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Scratch that
it was in the end zone opposite Reid’s pick so it had to have been the 1st or 3rd qtr
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by Curtis Bleaux on Nov 8, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
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