Blog Poll Week 11
by Poseur on Nov 6, 2011 2:49 PM CST
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PrintI've been lax about posting my BlogPoll, though I have been voting because, well, I was waiting for this game. Here it is with explanations, if you remember, after the jump.
And The Valley Shook! Ballot - Week 11
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | LSU Tigers | -- |
| 2 | Alabama Crimson Tide | -- |
| 3 | Oklahoma St. Cowboys | -- |
| 4 | Stanford Cardinal | -- |
| 5 | Boise St. Broncos | -- |
| 6 | Oregon Ducks | -- |
| 7 | Oklahoma Sooners | -- |
| 8 | Arkansas Razorbacks |  1 |
| 9 | Virginia Tech Hokies | 1 |
| 10 | Houston Cougars | 2 |
| 11 | Clemson Tigers | 3 |
| 12 | Penn St. Nittany Lions | 4 |
| 13 | Kansas St. Wildcats | 2 |
| 14 | Michigan St. Spartans | 3 |
| 15 | Georgia Bulldogs | 3 |
| 16 | Wisconsin Badgers | 4 |
| 17 | South Carolina Gamecocks |  -4 |
| 18 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets | 1 |
| 19 | USC Trojans | 3 |
| 20 | Michigan Wolverines | -12 |
| 21 | Cincinnati Bearcats | 2 |
| 22 | Nebraska Cornhuskers | -11 |
| 23 | Texas Longhorns | 1 |
| 24 | Baylor Bears | -- |
| 25 | Southern Miss. Golden Eagles | -- |
| Dropouts: Arizona St. Sun Devils, Ohio St. Buckeyes | ||
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1-5. I refuse to drop Bama in the poll for losing in overtime in a game they could have just as easily won if they had gotten the breaks. LSU and Bama are pretty much equal. Well, except on the scoreboard... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA (evil laugh). Sorry. We will find a lot out about Stanford this week against Oregon.
6-10. OU, UO, and Arkansas make up the three "duh" teams to round out the top 8. Then we start throwing darts. Hey, Houston's undefeated and has a record setting QB. Why not?
11-15. Clemson and Penn St are both one-loss teams who merit consideration. I actually like KSU now more that they lost, if that makes sense. I thought they were a paper tiger, but I was impressed by them hanging with OSU and I feel I've been underrating them. Then begins my SEC/Big Ten logjam of decent teams.
16-20. And the SEC/Big Ten logjam continues. Georgia Tech still has that great offense, and might still find themselves in the top ten by year's end. USC really has to hate being on probation right now.
21-25. Ummm.... yeah. Two mid-majors who each have one loss. (What's that? The Big East is a BCS conference? Are you sure?) Then two Texas squads. Actually, the Big 12 looks incredibly deep this year -- just about every team not named Kansas is a threat to win every game. So we're seeing lots of teams near .500 but they are all pretty good. Not great, but pretty good.
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What are your criteria?
Is this a power ranking? Because if it is then I’m okay with Bama being number two. But I always thought these were supposed to be the nebulous concept of “most deserving.” If that’s the case then teams should generally move down for losing. I do think that LSU is far and away the number one team, and that there’s a cluster of four teams in a tier underneath them I would say should be pretty close to each other.
I can understand putting Boise beneath Stanford… I mean come on, it’s fucking Boise! But they have actually played a tougher schedule than Stanford.
I seems weird to to say that it’s absolutely clear who the number six team in the country is, but aside from number one, ranking Oregon sixth is the easiest to make.
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Respect the bucket, son.
You can go by any criteria
I tend to be a resume voter in the sense of “What have you done?” while still keeping in mind a team’s objective quality. Bama has been killing teams, allows about 6 PPG, and just lost in OT to the best team in the country. They played LSU to a near dead heat. IF LSU is #1, Bama is #1A.
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That's one way to look at it
I think of it slightly differently — we know LSU is (very narrowly) better than Bama. We do not know if LSU is better than OK State or Stanford. Until we find that out, the others should get benefit of the doubt.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Nov 6, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Resumes
Okie St has wins over A&M, Texas, Baylor, and K-State.
Stanford has wins over USC, Washington, and UCLA
Bama has wins over Arkansas, Florida, Penn St, and Tennessee.
I see the case for OSU over Bama on resume, but not Stanford. Okie St will certainly move to #2 if they win out, as that would include a win over Oklahoma. Stanford would also move up with a win over Oregon.
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Criteria be damned
I think that was the best team I can recall LSU ever going up against. You play that game 10 times on a neutral field and everyone would be in a hospital before you finished half of them. That game was a coin flip. And that will be the case if we play them a second time.
At some point during that game, I was more in awe of their defense than nervous about our ability to move the ball. It was a great game and I enjoyed every second, except for a few mental mistakes.
Funny, in talking about this game on RBR, I said, “something feels wrong about bragging about our punter on a bama board”. That doesn’t feel so wrong anymore :)
With the exception of the one shank punt by Wing
I’d say you have every right to brag about your punter.
Great game guys. Congrats on the victory. Sucks that we made so many critical mistakes, but we both made some mistakes (or maybe more accurately, the two amazing defenses caused many of them). I remember telling a buddy of mine (as big an LSU fan as I am a Bama fan) the Thursday before the game that the first team to 10 might just actually win this thing. Well, it didn’t even take 10 points which was even better. I love a good defense, and I was able to see 2 of them last night.
Going to go down as a true classic and one to remember (although my memories won’t be as fond as yours). We certainly saw the 2 best teams in the country last night.
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
It's a shame
because everybody outside the South (for the most part) sees these two teams as having shitty offenses. When in actuality, with more development, these are two professional level defenses.
Fans glorify offense too much nowadays. Not enough appreciation for defense.
Here’s to a great finish to the rest of Bama’s season.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
by nasa1225 on Nov 6, 2011 9:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah it is a shame
because if they would look at the offensive production of both teams throughout the year (before we dropped each other’s stat line on that), they would see our offenses are really pretty effective when playing “normal defenses”. Both of our offenses just hit one massive wall for most of the game including some hustle plays by the defenders that resulted in turnovers.
This is what the game is all about. Smash-mouth football. And we both put on a clinic in that last night.
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
Crappy offenses
I live in Texas, and that was my Longhorn friends response to the game. I pointed out we’ve been scoring 30 PPG. It wasn’t like our offense suddenly got terrible, it had a lot to do with that defense on the other side of the ball.
But who cares what they say?
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No one in the Big 12 plays defense this season
Unfortunately.
The media is trying to see we have these incredible offenses, and while we do have some incredibly talented players on offense, we have some craptastic defenses all over the place. Until Kansas completely quit in Austin and only gained 46 yards of total offense, there was not a single Big 12 team with a defense ranked in the top 25.
But the question is
are those offenses really that good, or do the defenses make them look good?
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~General George S. Patton~
Me, too. (in TX)
But how would their pitch-n-catch offenses do against Bama’s D with 2 wks to prep? The thing I noticed most versus previous weeks was the absolute intense pressure our QBs were under when they had to throw—and everyone still seemed to be covered. I hope we get a chance to show everyone in the BCS.
by TigerTex on Nov 7, 2011 6:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
True
Weren’t we both outside the top 10 in scoring offense before the game?
I ’ m a Bama fan born in Bama, but educated at UT Austin when they ran the ball and played D. Joe Kines shut down Mike Leach in 2006 Cotton Bowl, we beat my alma mater running the ball, playing D, and forcing turnovers. When will the Big 12 or Big 8 or Big Deal ever learn? Bob Stoops used to know how to coach defense.
If we don ’ t get our long shot rematch, then I hope you win the Crystal Ball.
by the thin red line on Nov 7, 2011 6:36 AM CST up reply actions
Wasnt it actually 38 or 39 ppg for each?
Also, the idea of a rematch absolutely undermines what the BCS is intended to do. LSU beat Bama at Bama at night. Playing again, whatever the outcome, does nothing to clarify who the better team is imo. Bama got its shot AT HOME and failed to pull it through. Bama has awful special teams, which was true going into the game.
For these reasons, I think talk of a rematch are ridiculous.
Agree...
LSU beats Bama in Tuscaloosa at night, nuff said. Shame on anyone who would vote them ahead of a 1 loss Tiger team. They had their shot and failed. Reading RBR though, they are really talking a rematch up.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it...
Your problem is that you were reading RBR.
I used to have a lot more respect for that site, but the garbage I’ve read since this game is making me change my opinion…especially the stuff spouted about their own team (not to mention the reference to Roe v. Wade and Mathieu’s mother). It is one thing to expect to win, and to be disappointed in a loss, but the stuff they wrote (or at least “Outthelines” wrote) about their athletes and coaches is simply indefensible.
Maybe I’m just sheltered by the reasonableness that we have here at ATVS, but I was shocked by their post game comments.
by Displaced Tiger on Nov 7, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Tough loss
Let it slide. It’s a great site having an understandable meltdown. This game was a gut punch. We’d be the same had LSU lost.
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Yes...some LSU sites might have been that way
But not ATVS, which why I read this site and not others. I guess I just expected others SBN writers to like we have here.
Nothing to let slide…RBR is not my site. And Bama deserves better.
by Displaced Tiger on Nov 7, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, a meltdown is one thing
actively wishing an LSU player had been aborted is another.
I'm Retired
And it was too cold to play golf today. I read it for the laughs. I lived in Alabama (Montgomery) for 1.5 years, the worst 18 month anywhere I can remember. My wife and I were involuntarily transferred from Boca Raton, FL. Talk about culture shock. BTW we were accosted moments after showing up for work and forced to pledge allegiance to either Bama or Auburn. When I said neither and that my team was LSU our fate was sealed. We paid the ransom and escaped to Atlanta and have been here since 1974 minus 2 years back in FL.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it...
And let me also add this about a rematch -
the idea that Bama should get a rematch over Okla St or Stanford even if those two teams have a loss fails to account for potential conference title game wins by either or both of those two schools.
Frankly put, Bama should not get a rematch when its best win was against Ark, when it failed to beat LSU at home and by playing fewer games than LSU, Okla St or Stanford.
Bama shouldn't get a rematch period.
Other conferences deserve the opportunity to dethrone the SEC.
LSU and Bama didn’t prove themselves to be the top two teams in the country any more than Ohio State and Michigan did in 2006. And we know how that story ended.
LSU is the clear cut #1. Bring on the champion of another league.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
I have to agree with this for the same reasons. Give LSU either Oklahoma State or Stanford. Let Alabama get Boise in a lesser bowl game.
Books for Bama students: My E-Cubby - UA
BCS? LSU vs Stunford or OSU, whoever is undefeated
Bama vs Boise. Everyone goes home happy, except for Idaho.
nemo me impune lacessit
Or Oklahoma
If OU beats OSU in Bedlam, OU will be the Big Integer champions. They’ll have a better claim than Bama. I would move OU ahead of Bama in that scenario. If OU and OSU win out until Bedlam, winner is ahead of Bama, IMO.
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Agree.
I’m not going to say there is no shot at an LSU – Bama rematch, but even if Stanford loses, AND OU beats OSU, I think OU will jump to #2 in the final poll.
Remember, the coaches vote is in the BCS formula, and they will want their own conference to get a shot at LSU (if we make it).
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Exactly right about conferences.
The only years the BCS has had problems (2001 and 2003), the easy solution was to make a simple rule: You don’t win the conference, you don’t play for the BCS Champ. That would have eliminated Neb against Miami, and OU versus LSU.
AL had their chance AT HOME. Why do they deserve ANOTHER chance? If LSU wins the SEC, bring on a champion from another conference, whoever it is, even with 1 loss.
That won't happen.
If Stanford and OK State both pick up a loss, we’ll see yall down in Nola. Write it down.
That being said, Congrats to you and your team. Best Football game I’ve seen in many, many years. Your coach is a classy man as well!
Good luck from here on out…and I hope we get that chance to see you again on 9 Jan. If not, I’ll be pulling for you to win it all.
"My favorite play is the one where the player pitches the ball back to the official after scoring a touchdown." Paul "Bear" Bryant
Rejoice
I can’t decide what would be more joyous – have the polls pick AL over a zero loss Stanford (because it’s obvious! Body of work, etc.etc..Go SEC!) for a rematch, or, let LSU mop the floor with Standford in a cross-conference beat-down. Both options would be great.
It should be
between conference champions even in the present system. In an NFL-like playoff system, which I prefer, there could be a rematch between LSU and Bama, but not for the Crystal Ball. A Ravens-Steelers rematch for the AFC Championship Game is possible and would be great, but a Super Bowl between the 2 impossible and undesirable as the Super Bowl is between two Conference champions. While the 1992 and 1993 NFC Championship Games were between the 2 best teams those years, the Super Bowl went on, no matter how inferior the competition. Ditto for the 2008 and 2009 SEC Championship Games and BCS Championship Games.
In the present system, we could still meet. And my thinking prior to the game was neither of us is 2001 Nebraska, 2003 Oklahoma, or 2006 Ohio State or Michigan. I actually feared a rematch if we had won—to beat you twice in one season? Pro-rematch Bama fans need to consider losing to you twice in one season. And if you are stronger next year and we are weaker, it is possible we could drop three in a row against you.
Subjectively , I would like a rematch because I believe we are the two best teams in this flawed system, not as a second chance.
by the thin red line on Nov 7, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
This game definitely deserves a rematch
And there will be one. Next season.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
by nasa1225 on Nov 7, 2011 3:56 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
We really had better watch it against Arky.
I still get sick thinking about 2007 because of that (despite the BCS title).
Better to die happy than to live miserably.
Fork the Pork
Not only do I hate Arkansas, I hate their coach just as much for leaving my pro team, the Falcon’s, in the middle of the night prior to the end of the season. He’s a douche bag.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it...
2007 arky was a different animal Well I guess they are both pigs, but you know what I mean.
We were injured and gassed, and Arky had 3 future NFL starting RB’s in their backfield.
Plus they ran wildcat on us all fricking game and we had absolutely no answer for it.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports
"I really like corndogs" -Sparky
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
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