The Final BlogPoll of 2011
by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 3:27 PM CST
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PrintI didn't submit a BlogPoll last week, so there's no point to showing the Deltas. Instead, I'm going to go through my ballot team-by-team and defend each ranking, as this is the most important ranking of the year.
1 LSU. Clearly the best team in the country.
2 OKLAHOMA ST. I value resumes above all else, and I look at who you beat ahead of who you lost to. That's been consistent for me since I started voting, as is my value in conference titles. OSU wins all of the metrics I personally value.
3 ALABAMA. I'm concerned by their lack of good wins outside of Arkansas, but they did show their quality by being the only team to play within two scores of LSU.
4 OREGON. I'm not shocked by Stanford's support, but the difference in record is because UO played LSU and Stanford didn't. UO won the conference and the head-to-head.
5 STANFORD. Still, one loss teams from the power conferences don't grow on trees.
6 WISCONSIN. There's a huge glut of two-loss teams, but Wisconsin won the Big Ten and avenged one of their losses on the season. Also, both losses were by a single score.
7 USC. Southern Cal is playing great right now, but let's not forget they lost by 21 to a 6-6 Arizona St team. While "bad losses" are all the rage, let's look at that one.
8 BOISE ST. The Georgia win looks a lot better right now, and they lost their one game on a missed field goal. This team is legit.
9 KANSAS ST. Finished second place in probably the toughest top-to-bottom conference in America. The SEC is more top heavy. They just go out and win.
10 ARKANSAS. I'm not totally sold on the Hogs as they don't have a lot of big wins, outside of South Carolina, and they were blown out by LSU and Alabama.
11 MICHIGAN ST. Won their division by a game, and the only thing separating them from Wisconsin is a miracle pass play (in both the win and the loss). Titles count, which is why Wisky gets the bump.
12 GEORGIA. 10 wins and the SEC East champ. Their defense showed it was legit against LSU. I'm not holding title game losses against teams, though I do give a big bonus for winning it (well, not quite true, see Houston).
13 BAYLOR. Finished 3rd in the Big 12 and beat Oklahoma and TCU. The A&M loss is a big demerit, and the only thing keeping them out of the top ten.
14 MICHIGAN. I've never been sure what to do with the Big Ten this year, but this seems about right for a two-loss team with a big win over Notre Dame.
15 SOUTH CAROLINA. Ten wins and a big win over Clemson. In a dead heat with Michigan, really. Instead of being an SEC homer, I gave the tiebreak to an out of region team. Sorry.
16 VIRGINIA TECH. Honestly, I might be over-ranking them. Their win over Georgia Tech, who I rank in the top 25, is their best win.
17 HOUSTON. I might be over-ranking them as well as that was a massive beat down in the C-USA title game. But they were a game away from the BCS.
18 CLEMSON. Yes, I have them behind VT. They made up a lot of ground, but they did lose by 14 to GT, 24 (!) to NCSU, and 23 to South Carolina.
19 WEST VIRGINIA. Like Alabama, their best win is a loss to LSU. Only their loss is by over 20 points. Nice Big East title, though.
20 OKLAHOMA. They lost three games and didn't sniff the conference title. They lost to a pretty bad Texas Tech team. Every team ahead of them either won 10 games, won their conference, or beat OU head to head.
21 NEBRASKA. Finished in the back of the Big Ten logjam. Closer to Penn St than to the contenders, honestly.
22 TCU. Huge win over Boise, and the loss to Baylor is quality. But this is a team that lost to a 7-5 SMU team and has no other quality win other than Boise. I think that game was a bit of a fluke.
23 SOUTHERN MISS. Congrats on winning C-USA and enjoy the trip to Hawaii.
24 GEORGIA TECH. The win over Clemson gets them a spot in the top 25 given the lack of strong contenders at this point. They also have a pretty fun offense.
25 CINCINNATI. Shared in the Big East title despite a stunning lack of quality wins and a 22 point loss to Tennessee.
Feel free to tell me what I got wrong.
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Nick Saban thinks that you have OSU two spots too high
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
42 out of 59 coaches think they're too high.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It's not like they've seen OSU play
Or Bama for that matter.
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True.
And I ain’t about to get into a merits discussion over here again. That didn’t end well last time. You put it best when you said
That’s been consistent for me since I started voting, as is my value in conference titles. OSU wins all of the metrics I personally value.
Obviously I think the quality of the loss matters as well, along with consistent MOV.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
MOV
Without getting into it again, I think Bama’s MOV advantage is fairly slight, and is mainly a function of the lower SOS. But I’m not a power poll voter, though I do believe there is an eyeball test as a check on straight resume.
Losses matter, but it’s like third or fourth on my list. And Who You Beat is a clear #1 for me. By a wide margin. Good wins outweigh bad losses for me.
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If it were capped at 20 or so
Bama’s advantage would be much greater. OSU had a 60 and 42 point spreads in two games that artificially inflated their overall MOV.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Smart Football
We’re big fans of Smart Football around here, and their ranking system caps MOV as well. You can find it here:
http://smartfootball.com/srs/simple-rating-system-final-results-and-predicting-the-bowls-1252011
The result? Bama has a MOV advantage of +2.8 and OSU has an SOS advantage of +2.7. Essentially, a wash.
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But ever so slightly in Bama's favor
just like the BCS turned out to be. Razor thin edge.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Like the OBC says
“I don’t know why we vote,” Spurrier said of the coaches’ poll. “I guess we vote because college football is still without a playoff system. I really believe most coaches do not know a whole lot about other teams, but we do vote. That’s what they ask us to do.”
I’m not advocating a play off. I mostly wanted to post this quote because only the Visor gets away with being honest. I love/hate that bastard.
by haveagreatday on Dec 5, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
but not two spots too high
anyone who has OSU at 4 is either an idiot or is intentionally voting against their honest opinion to manipulate the polls. We agree on almost nothing, but I’m pretty sure we both think that Nick Saban is not an idiot. If he’d put em 3 I’d have no problem whatsoever.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Except there were several coaches who did
and the AFA coach even put them at #5. Fact is, a lot of coaches had them #4 and don’t drop teams without a loss. As I said several times, no team has fallen from #2 in November or December without losing. Ever. Well, in the BCS era anyway.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I know there were several coaches who did
I assume they are idiots.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
They're making millions to coach football.
Smarter than me.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
i doubt the AFA coach is making millions, but whatever
It’s hard impossible for me to believe that Saban’s vote wasn’t a calculated move to aid his team. I guess that’s understandable, but it’s a completely unacceptable conflict of interest that proves the coaches poll needs to go away forever
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
We agree on the poll being worthless.
And that a conflict of interest exists, which is undoubtedly reflected in the ballots of all B12 and SEC coaches not named Pinkel.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
there are lots of folks smarter than you
let’s not limit this to coaches, who are admittedly, not the brightest crayons in the box.
nemo me impune lacessit
Might want to punctuate better when calling someone stupid.
Just a little advice for you.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
ohhhhh good ole grammer smack retort
pathetic. your a loser.
How’s it gonna feel when Bama loses they’re third straight to LSU next month?
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Grammar,
And you’re. And I only said it because you called me stupid. That’s aight, though- I see now I should just ignore you. Oh, and LSU may very well beat Bama again. Like the last one, it’s a 50/50 deal. I would certainly feel much better afterward if Bama won, of course… but will survive if they don’t.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I was unclear there.
The week prior, they were fifth on a lot of ballots, and only one team ahead of them lost. That was the point.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Michigan '06
Didn’t they drop from #2 to #3 after their idle week, the week of the SEC CG? The year Urban campaigned for Florida since Michigan had already lost to OSU? (kinda similar to this year with Bama and Okie St. ?)
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by BRSaintsFan on Dec 6, 2011 9:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope.
That’s a common misconception. USC was #2 and lost the last weekend to UCLA. #4 Florida won the SECCG the same week and jumped idle #3 Michigan to get to the big game. USC went on to beat the snot out of Michigan in the Rose.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But the accusation is correct....
… Florida did leap an idle Michigan in the last week. they just went from #4 to #2 because of a USC loss as well.
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But the fact remains
that it has taken a loss by #1 or #2 to shake the system every single time. Voters seem to be very cognizant of the ramifications of voting a team #2 that late in the season and don’t tend to change their minds without a loss.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That's been disproved THIS YEAR
Alabama went from #3 to #2 in Week 6 of this season. OU was Week 5’s #2, and dropped to #3 without losing.
See for yourself:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings//week/5
/week/6" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/6
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Was that in November?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, but why should it matter?
Voters clearly showed they could move a team out of the #2 slot without a loss. Weren’t you earlier advocating that voters should not be voting for the title game but who they honestly thought was #2? What difference does it make if it’s Week 5 or Week 15? The principle is the same.
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It is
but by that time in the season the body of work is much more established, wouldn’t you agree? I don’t think anyone pays much attention until the first BCS rankings come out. Besides, I’m just telling you what HAS happened. Why it’s happened the way it has is up for debate, and clearly the fact that something hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it never will.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But it has happened
Which is my point. OK, if you keep narrowing the parameters to “no Alabama team ranked #2 in the year 2011 has been jumped”, then yeah. But by continually adding parameters, the comparison becomes much less useful.
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First, I was talking about BCS rankings.
There is no BCS ranking in week 6. Second, it isn’t my fault that you replied improperly to:
no team has fallen from #2 in November or December without losing. Ever. Well, in the BCS era anyway.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Bama could care less about those other coaches at any other time
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by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 5, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying he's not the only one.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And just saying y'all could care less about any other coach at any other time
He’s clearly the greatest coach EVAR, so of course everybody would be lock step per Bama logic. If they went the other way, most of your brethren would be arguing he’s the only one who knows what he’s doing.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 5, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
He's sure as hell one of 'em.
But yeah, he wasn’t going to move them up if he didn’t have to. Who would?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
For once just take the damn joke
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by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 5, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
And now that I think about it
what fans of any program care about anybody else’s coach?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
LSU showed their quality
by being the only team within two scores of Bama, just sayin’. Why is it out of round to consider Stanford higher than OSU? Their only loss was to Oregon (a slightly better team than ISU I’d say). Their quality win? USC.
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Stanford
I don’t even know how you can rank them ahead of Oregon. The only advantage the Tree has over the Ducks is Not Playing LSU. That’s no way to value a team.
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good point i guess,
but still….ISU.
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ISU
They aren’t as bad as ISU normally is. They played KSU within a TD last weekend and they played OU tight for most of the game. I fail to see how losing to a bowl eligible loss is this crippling loss like losing to, say, Texas Tech. Or even losing to Arizona St by three touchdowns.
They lost in 2OT, on a disputed call, after a short week, on the road, on the same day as a school tragedy. That’s hardly a WTF loss.
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My rub with the tragedy angle
is that they jumped out to a big lead then blew it. Did the sad kick in at halftime?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I think
A) That’s remarkably callous. We give teams a mulligan for special circumstances all the time — death is a pretty good one.
B) Fine. Get rid of that one factor and you still have losing in 2OT, on a disputed call, after a short week, on the road, to a bowl eligible team. Still, hardly a WTF loss.
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I know it sounds callous
but the point is it’s not like they didn’t show up. Hell, many times people perform better in the wake of tragedy. And ISU wouldn’t have been bowl eligible without that win. That game was a huge outlier for them. Hell, the Sooners beat ’em 26-6 without Broyles. ISU is right on par with Vandy, both this year and traditionally.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Arizona St
I think ASU is another great comp, both historically and this year, and we can see how voters treated USC – who lost to ASU by 21. That’s a much worse loss to a team of similar quality. And, looking around, voters did not care.
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Well, these same voters didn't rank USC.
Personally, if that was their only loss (and they were eligible), I’d say the voters would have had them in a dead heat with Oklahoma State for #3 and #4, and Bama would have had a much greater margin at #2. Ever heard that you’re only as good as your weakest link? Again, getting into a pissing contest over which metrics matter more won’t get anywhere again.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
There is the AP Poll
And USC is ranked 5th, the highest raked 2-loss team.
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Yep.
And had they beaten Stanford they would have taken Stanford’s place.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
can you use the quality loss
argument for OSU and then put them over Bama whose quality loss is LSU? which way do you want it?
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not only did ISU only lose by 1 score to KSU
but since the Gumps, (no I take that back, I would be insulting Gump’s IQ with the comparison) the Bubbas love to quote the LSU boxscore, let’s take a look at ISU/KSU:
……………..ISU KSU
1st Downs.. 24 … 20
3rd down efficiency
…………….9-17 …4-12
4th down efficiency
………………2-4 …0-0
Total Yards.. 368 …359
Passing …..153 …158
Comp-Att
……………..15-27 …7-15
Yards per pass
……………….5.7 ….10.5
Rushing ……215 …201
Rushing Attempts
………………..51…. 45
Yards per rush
……………… 4.2…. 4.5
Penalties ….4-30 ..2-20
Turnovers ……2 …0
Fumbles lost
…………………1… 0
Interceptions thrown
…………………1 …0
Possession 31:00 29:00
So they had an un-win against the #8 team in the nation, ISU is legit.
Oh yeah, all you Bubba trolls go crawl back under your rocks at your POS blog, where you can make your 9-11, Katrina, plane crash jokes and enjoy a good “laugh”, f’ng asshats
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Yeah, so legit
they went 3-6 in the conference and got outscored by 124 points in the six losses. They beat only Texas Tech, Kansas, and… Oklahoma State.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Don't forget that OSU also committed 5 turnovers in the game.
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And missed a field goal by about 6 inches (if that)
So if that field goal had gone through, would that really suddenly mean they pass “the eye test”?
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Nope
it would mean they went undefeated and earned a chance to get rolled by LSU despite a three-point win over a 5-7 team and a one point win over a 6-6 team.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Which only further shows the fallacy of "the eye test."
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that.
In fact, to the casual viewer, Bama and LSU failed the eye test on 11/5.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Also an example.
The truth is, the eye test isn’t really a test. It’s a judgement. An opinion, that can be colored by whatever bias a person inherently has.
At least the best win/best lost debate was based on actual results.
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Okie State certainly had more of a case after beating Oklahoma the way they did. I still say that Bama’s win over Arky in similar fashion, considering where Arky finished, was the most impressive win between the two teams. Basically, in a nutshell, Bama had the single best win and the best loss while they had more good wins. From there folks could argue until blue in the face about which is better and/or more important.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And that's a reasonable disagreement
I would say OU is much better than Arky (their defense may not be great, but its way better than Arkansas’), but at least its disputable based on results.
But the whole “eye test” thing is just pure, unadulterated crap that’s really just based on people trying to come up with an excuse to confirm their own bias.
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
But at least we can argue this based on facts. Not on “the eye test.”
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And maybe "much" was the wrong word
But I do think they are better.
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Even without Broyles?
Don’t know about that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
again, good point
I think Okie state had a good argument – but they crushed a team without it’s best player on offense – Broyles, and best Rusher – Whaley.
Of course, that argument goes against Bama too, since Arky didn’t have it’s two best Dlinemen and their best rusher when Bama played them.
Except Davis was gone all year
and they beat everybody but us and y’all without him. Yeah, they lost some D-linemen. That doesn’t explain their offense’s absolute inability to move the football.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Dennis Johnson wasn't totally helthy against y'all etiher
Not that he probably makes a huge difference, but he was their best back this season (with Davis out, obviously).
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Main thing there was
their fans found out that their four NFL quality WRs weren’t going to do crap against a team with a pass rush and good secondary. Playing LSU later just confirmed it. It really is sad the way defense has gone by the wayside, and amazing that the rest of the country hasn’t realized that it’s the reason the SEC keeps curbstomping people in MNC games.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I was referring to Johnson - sorry
Obviously Davis was out all year, but Johnson was their next best back.
No Broyles definitely hurts
But Arkansas without Davis still can’t run the ball with any consistency, and struggled to stop even some of the SEC’s shit-tastic offenses. At least the teams that have carved up OU have been good offensive football teams.
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No Broyles
clearly affected Oklahoma against Okie State. Their offense was TERRIBLE against an Okie defense that is not very good.
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honey badger?
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
just said it. he's in.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Maybe he'll get a fresh bleach job for the ceremony.
Sorry, had to.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
he can dye it blue and it wouldn't care if he keeps making plays
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
LOL
I know. He just looks like a little prima-donna douchebag sort. Not singling him out by any means, every team has their share these days and it has no bearing on their play.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Man, you suck!
“He just looks like a little prima-donna douchebag sort.” Really? He looks like a stud athlete to me.
by Displaced Tiger on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
He is.
Just talking about the hair and the one-eye black. No question the dude is a stud, and I wish the little bastard was leaving after the year.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Matter of fact
a little self-trollin…
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
indeed it is honey badger
congrats guys.
That white stuff on the top of chickencrap...... is chickencrap.
I really like these rankings.
I think I would knock Boise down to 10 and bump up accordingly. 11 on is hard to debate, since it gets nitpicky.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
I'ma just leave this righ' here
/hypocrisy
To quote Doc Holliday, “seems my hypocrisy knows no bounds.”
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
rankings look good...except
you cannot put VA tech ahead of a team they lost to by 20 twice. Can’t do it. It’s even worse than Stanford over Oregon, since you are basically punishing Clemson for playing south carolina ooc.
Can’t do it.
You hate VA Tech
it cracks me up
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
nah, I don't hate them
I just think they are ridiculously overrated this year. They haven’t beaten anybody of note this year.
I want to rank Clemson higher
But that would be punishing VT for making the title game. Clemson is better, but beating them twice doesn’t earn you a whole lot of bonus points. And Clemson got crushed by GT (forgiveable) and NCSU (not forgiveable). Clemson doesn’t have a whole lot of positives to hang it’s hat on either save they can beat VT.
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Except in the beloved poll system, you can & they did. Your system rocks.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
I'm not even sure where I stand on how to fix this anymore, but I'll offer this
The fact that there are pollsters who are ill-informed and use inconsistent logic, to me at least, is not an indictment of the polls themselves. Just the leadership. They should be able to cull the heard of those people, because there are plenty of people, be it coaches, media/pundits that would love to participate and would be willing to keep themselves informed to do so.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 5, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well, as a student of history I'd say
any entrenched system where people have power of any kind, good luck with getting them out without a revolution. Poll system is no different.
There’s a lot of people that would like to do a lot of things. It’s those pesky people that have the actual power that matter though not those of us who want.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 5, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when the bowl proponents refuse to acknowledge
the initial reasons for creating bowls in the 1st place. They never had anything to do with actual post season accolades & everything to do with marketing & advertising money. This is why the national championships were originally awarded before the bowls, b/c the bowls originally meant diddly squat.
Look at Hoolahan of the Sugar Bowl’s comments on why Va Tech was selected- has little to do with this year & a lot to do with legacy & potential $ signs. If you all think they’re the only bowl committee that does this, you’re just being ingenious.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 5, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Or disingenious as the case may be
derp
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
And as a fellow student of history, I agree with you.
But the fact that there are pollsters that are ignorant doesn’t change anything for me. Ditto the media, ditto the blogosphere, what have you.
And likewise on the bowls. They are what they are and they could really care less about college football (outside of the teams they select) or what people think of them.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Ok, fair point
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 6, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Although maybe there should be a BCS electoral college to offset dumb voting irregularities? lol
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 6, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Something along those lines isn't a bad idea
It’s abundantly clear that there needs to be some sort of educated oversight.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Billy I think you are right on
The people making the polls need to be adjusted, but that’s not an argument against the polls themselves.
Rankings
There is another reason most poll voters have Alabama ahead of OSU, and it is the same reason many voters had USC ahead of LSU in 2003. OSU lost later. Teams drop when they lose, then they rise again as they resume winning and teams ahead of them lose. Had the timing been reversed, OSU would probably be ranked second instead of Alabama. This may not be fair, but it is an inherent aspect of the way many voters think.
I don't know. This has changed a lot in recent years. It used to be true
but I don’t think it is anymore. Bama got the nod based on recent history of their program and the SEC and name recognition.
Recency
People know recency is a fallacy, so this year, they just repackaged it as something else. We heard a lot of “after the Bama loss, OSU had a chance to make a statement and failed to do so” or some such variant. They are smart enough to dodge the recency fallacy, but really, they are making the recency fallacy argument.
I do think name brand mattered far more. If we switched profiles of the two teams, there is simply no chance in hell an OSU team becomes the first school to get a rematch AND play someone from their own conference in the title game. That’s two radical things about Bama’s selection, and it could only happen to a Bama, OU, or USC.
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by Poseur on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Team Name = Eliminated from SEC Tournament
| West | Conf | Overall | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| W | L | W | L | |
1 LSU Tigers  |
19 | 11 | 42 | 14 |
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16 | 14 | 39 | 17 |
| 7 Mississippi St. Bulldogs |
16 | 14 | 34 | 21 |
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14 | 16 | 34 | 22 |
| 10 Auburn Tigers |
13 | 17 | 30 | 26 |
| |
9 | 21 | 21 | 34 |
| East | Conf | Overall | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| W | L | W | L | |
| 2 South Carolina Gamecocks |
18 | 11 | 39 | 15 |
| 4 Kentucky Wildcats |
18 | 12 | 41 | 15 |
| 3 Florida Gators |
18 | 12 | 40 | 16 |
| 5 Vanderbilt Commodores |
16 | 14 | 29 | 25 |
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14 | 15 | 31 | 24 |
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8 | 22 | 24 | 31 |
