Link Gumbo 12/7/11 - Chock Full O' Awards Edition
by PodKATT on Dec 7, 2011 4:26 PM CST
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We've got a whole bunch of awards to get through, so lets get started.
Les Miles
WINNER Home Depot Coach of the Year
WINNER Coaches SEC Coach of the Year
WINNER AP SEC Coach of the Year
FINALIST Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year
FINALIST Liberty Mutual Insurance Coach of the Year Award
John Chavis
WINNER Broyles Award (Nation's Best Asst. Coach)
Tyrann Mathieu
WINNER AP SEC Defensive Player of the Year
FINALIST Heisman Trophy
FINALIST Chuck Bednarik Award (Defensive Player of the Year)
Morris Claiborne
WINNER Coaches SEC Defensive Player of the Year
WINNER AFCA FBS Coaches' All-America Team
FINALIST Jim Thorpe Award (Defensive Back of the Year)
The Bednarik and Thorpe Awards, along with the presentation of Coach Miles' Home Depot Coach of the Year award will be Thursday night at 8pm on ESPN, live from Orlando, while the Heisman Trophy will be awarded Saturday night at 7pm, live from New York. The other coaches awards that Miles is up for are awarded later in the bowl season.
While Mathieu's chances in New York are pretty slim, it could set him up with an early lead on next year's Heisman.
We all love Les here, but I find myself siding with the public vote over at TeamSpeedKills that the SEC Coach of the Year honors should have gone to Vandy's James Franklin. They are bowling this year, after all.
0 1st Downs in the 1st half. I should print that stat sheet out and frame it.
We're smarter than Bama too. (Vandy, of course, trumps all)
The Big East now has a West Division with the announced addition of Boise State, Houston, SMU, Central Florida, and San Diego State (as football only members in some cases)
The player bowl gifts for the BCS Title Game sound kinda lame.
Tons of Coaching news to talk about over the last few days. A&M let Sherman go in a not too pleasant manner, his last press conference is kinda difficult to watch. The list of Aggie candidates is currently all over the place.
The easy joke was that Ole Miss has hired a comic book villain as it's new head coach, but that was before The Reverend Hugh Freeze delivered his opening sermon. The Cuppers are optimistic.
The Dread Pirate Mike Leach has sailed for...Pullman? That left the Greenies to settle for the Saints WR coach, who may be certifiably insane.
LSU is touting how well it's doing recycling tailgating trash over the last few seasons (61 tons this year alone), but it's also SCIENTIFIC PROOF that the new parking regulations are destroying tailgating. It's going to get to the point where we don't even generate 40 tons of trash a game anymore. (Sure, I guess you might blame it on a lackluster home slate or an abundance of short, day game tailgates).
Here's a great gallery of some hi-res pictures from the SEC Championship game.
Time for the most awesome Pro Combat Unis: The Army-Navy game. (GEAUX ARMY! BEAT NAVY!)
After the break Les Miles's Pre-SEC Champ game interviews and the locker room in 360 DEGREE FUZZYVISION,
Les Miles on Okie St
Les Miles on Bo Schembechler
SEC Championship Locker Room
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"Outside the camp"
but I find myself siding with the public vote over at TeamSpeedKills that the SEC Coach of the Year honors should have gone to Vandy’s James Franklin. They are bowling this year, after all.
Not no way, not no how!
Leslie Edwin Miles is the (every/whatever dead coach it’s named after) coach of the year, period, end of story.
Just saying.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
If an Xs and Os type would indulge me...
I’ve gathered from one of Billy’s post that guys like Mo free the honey badger to do what he does. We’ve kind of been spoiled at CB to have a guy like Mathieu playing in space because the third guy is good enough to allow for that to happen. We keep Tharold Simon…
Who steps in at the third corner next year and will he capable of freeing the honey badger?
I think Mathieu is unique as a DB
In that he’s such a natural blitzer and pass-rusher, and I doubt his successor’s gonna be the same. You don’t see it often. Javier Arenas was like that at Bama, and in the NFL Roman Harper’s another example. I remember Carnell Lake having like 8 sacks one year for the Steelers as a safety/corner.
The player really makes the position.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
I'd say Harper is a bit miscast on that list.
He was pretty much a pure safety, quite a bit bigger and not as fast as Arenas and Mathieu. Comparing those two, I’d say that Arenas was a bit more polished and consistent as a returner but nowhere near the playmaker on defense that Mathieu is. Honestly, I think Mathieu is a smaller version of Charles Woodson. Unfortunately for him, that lack of size is very likely to keep him out of the first round at the next level. Hell of a college football player though, and should end up with a good NFL career as well when all is said and done. Wonder if LSU will let him play some WR next year to enhance his Heisman potential the way Michigan did with Woodson?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I was more referring to Harper in the NFL than college
With the Saints, Harper’s a dynamite blitzer and run defender, but if a team finds a way to isolate him on a tight end, that dynamite usually blows up in the Saints’ face.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
I really hate that Harper and Ingram ended up in NOLA.
Very conflicting for a Bama and Falcons fan. Love that Cam went to Carolina though- I live there now and will be there heckling the crap out of him Sunday. Wonder what his favorite class was at Auburn?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
I will not make a Falcons joke
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Please.
They made one of themselves on Sunday.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As a Saints fan
I also hate that Harper and Ingram ended up in NOLA. I think Roman Harper just got burned on a double move as I was typing this.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Y'all ain't loving Ingram?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Ingram? On the Saints?
Maybe it’s just me or the down/distance he’s being played, but no big fan here. I think Richardson is a much better back.
"Well, that sucked."-stujo4 on Rams vs. Saints
TR is certainly built more for the NFL.
I honestly haven’t watched the Saints except for the Falcons game.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
what do you think about julio for falcons?
as a saints fan, I was glad atlanta sold their souls to get Julio. He is an awesome athlete, but he has been plagued by dropsies and injuries his whole career.
He may yet pan out, but his issues seem to continue into the NFL.
He never had hammy issues at Bama
He did drop a few for us, but I seem to recall one that went for 73 yards.
I can’t remember the opponent…
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
He may not have had hammy issues
But the “he’s playing hurt” excuse got thrown out after every bad game Julio ever had. Including basically his entire sophomore season lol.
At a certain point, you’re just injury prone. Ingram, aside from that knee issue the first few games of 2010, never missed a game if I recall correctly.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Same as he was at Bama, really.
Spectacular catches and great blocking but drops some of the routine catches. He’s a lot like a flashy shortstop in that regard.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
So as a falcon's fan, is he worth it?
I lived in bama when he was being recruited and found myself believing all the hype about him. I felt kind of let down when he actually played. AJ was always way better I thought.
Oh he's great
just think the Falcons gave up too much to get him.
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
Ingram's been injured some
I think a lot of his production, or lack thereof, is a result of the multiple faceted offense that Payton uses. He rarely keeps the same RB set on the field more than 2 or 3 plays a series. Ingram is the type who gets better and stronger with more carries.
Richardson is an awesome back, but you gotta have touches to get the yards.
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
Not for what they gave up for him
He’s ok, but that’s about it. Not the kind of star I would expect for all those picks.
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
Especially since RBs are a novelty in that offense.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Reggie Bush was pretty dynamic in college
In Payton’s offense, not so much.
That’s Brees’ offense.
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
bush is a bust
he ran behind an awesome line at USC and played w/ so many other offensive stars, that he was just a home run threat that benefited from his supporting cast.
I have always liked the guy for his attitude and effort, but he just isn’t as good as he was built up to be.
I am
Was totally in favor of drafting him and as the OL starts playing better and they start using him a lil better, his impact will increase.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Oh, and regarding the double move
it’s damn tough to keep from getting burned in the NFL- receivers and QBs are too good. I’d blame that more on the pass rush. Can’t let the QB have time to sit back there, pump fake, then step into a throw.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Harper has a lot more problems than just covering a double-move.
Like I said…great run defender/blitzer…atrocity in coverage. Luckily Gregg Williams does just about everything he can to limit that.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
He always seemed like more of a linebacker to me
Just not big enough, I guess.
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
Agreed. Unfortunately the NFL doesn't have room for 205-210 pound linebackers anymore.
Harper’s a role player. He plays it well, but when he’s taken out of that comfort zone…ye gods…
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Harper is absolute rubbish in coverage
A lot of the Saints TD passes given up, go back & look at the film & tell me whose zones they’re in… Harper was the one who also got burnt 2 or 3 times against Seattle in the playoffs last year.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 9, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Payton must love him or Roman's got pictures
I thought he’d get run for sure after the Seattle/Lynch debacle.
"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant
as long as they aren't an auburn player....
I am fine taking them w/ the saints. glad to have ingram.
Yes we'll be lucky to ever see this kind of player in our lifetimes again
Much less replace him
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 7, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
There are gifted DBs
And then there’s Mathieu. He’s just a very unique player, even compared to other great players like a Patrick Peterson, or, for another team example, Dre Kirkpatrick. I don’t know that one type is even better than the other, they’re just different.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 7, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
This kind of player for LSU I meant
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 7, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny
One of the analysts believes that all the great players around Mathieu allows him to make many of the plays he makes on the ball. His rational is that he can go for strips without really going for tackles because everyone else will do that. The flaw in that argument is that Mathieu leads the team in tackles.
things that make you go hmmm...
I know its hard to really follow every team and player but some (a lot) of the ‘experts’ and ‘analysts’ are entirely CLUEless.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Well, there's a degree of truth in that
But you can also say it about every single player in the country. No man is an island.
So I would hope Robert Smith (I’m making assumptions now because Smith tends to say very obvious and unintelligent things) will report his findings to my new football academic journal, “NO SHIT! Quarterly.”
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just meant moving to nickelback
He is more complete than I’m giving him credit for, but I look at our roster and haven’t seen anything proven that will allow someone with Mathieu’s talents to play nickel. We will need him locking up the outside. Regardless, you can avoid him on 1st – 3rd. Then 4th down comes and you still have to punt to him
by Big McLargeHuge on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Well, there are some nice CB prospects getting redshirted currently
In David Jenkins and Jalen Collins, and well, that’s what recruiting is for. Plus you have 2 4*’s in this class with Dwayne Thomas and Derrick Raymond. Plus Tharold Simon is back next year. So I think they’ll figure a way.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Great job, LSU!
You deserve these awards nominations.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 AM CST reply actions
Who pays for trip to NYC
When the Heisman candidates travel to NYC for award ceremony, who pays travel expenses? I assume that the student athletes do not because there would be some no shows (no all could afford). If not the student athletes then why is this not an extra benefit?
NCAA regs allow
for the school to pay for certain travel expenses for award ceremonies like this and media events (like the SEC media days or that time Jefferson went to ESPN). I’ll try to find the exact bylaw.
Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook THE LSU Tigers Blog of the Week for 52,136 Weeks in a Row and Counting
Thanks to the LSU Compliance folks, the real answer is that the award shows pay for it
Title:16.1.7.2 – Established Regional, National or International Awards.
It is permissible for an outside organization (other than a professional sports organization) to provide actual and necessary expenses for a student-athlete to travel to a banquet designed to recognize the individual’s accomplishments as an athlete in order for the student-athlete to receive an established regional, national or international award (permitted by NCAA legislation). The outside organization also may provide actual and necessary expenses for the student-athlete’s spouse, parents or other relatives to attend the recognition event.
Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook THE LSU Tigers Blog of the Week for 52,136 Weeks in a Row and Counting
just to be clear, LSU does not pay anything for TM07 and friends to attend?
Presumably, outside organization in this instance refers to the Heisman Trust.
by haveagreatday on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
or maybe I'll actually read what you posted.
look at the big brain on haveagreatday!
by haveagreatday on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
good links and videos Pod
Thanks.
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Miles is great in the post game speech
Miles does such a great job of staying on point w/ the guys after the game. You can see why the players love him so much.
Meh.
We’re smarter than Bama too. (Vandy, of course, trumps all)
We just sent a few more to the NFL early, y’all.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Eddie Lacy qualified at Bama...
let that sink in for a bit…
Like LSU would have rejected him.
He went through the Clearinghouse and all.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
LSU DID reject him
He never had a scholarship offer, for several reasons, most of which involved his grades.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Probably means they didn't think he would get cleared
or maybe they didn’t need another RB in that class. In any case, I guarantee you that any player they covet that can get qualified under the NCAA minimums will be accepted at LSU. Y’all have a good school but it ain’t Duke or Northwestern..
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That should tell you they didn't covet him
When I say he was “rejected,” I meant by the coaches, not the school. Basically they chose Michael Ford, who didn’t have the grade issues, over him.
And from people at his high school, the best thing for Lacy was to get out of state anyway. He needed a fresh start and going to Bama gave him that.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Right.
Just seemed like Xanathol was suggesting that Bama was a lesser academic institution because Lacy got in- I was just saying that he would have gotten in to most any of the SEC schools if the NCAA cleared him. Of course, the coaches at said SEC school would have to want him first. Since each school only signs 45 or 50 players a year in the SEC, some good players just aren’t going to get offers from everyone.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well, by no means would Lacy have ever gotten in ANYWHERE were he not a football player
But that’s bigger than a Bama or LSU thing. And Lacy had some other issues as well, but neither school has a clean closet on that end either.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
You missed my oversigning joke.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
What I was pointing out was how most schools thought he would not qualify
but at Bama, he “finds a way”… probably a new suit or 8 ala Julio too, eh?
Good for Chavis
Hard to believe he’s never won that award before. As long as he’s been around, I’m impressed that he still seems to be really cutting edge with his philosophy. This defense is pretty much the best there is at handling the spread type offenses that everyone is using now (’cept for us and Bama)
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension.
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