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AWARDS NIGHT OPEN THREAD

Fingers. Out.



A night of stars await you at ESPN's annual "Every Award That Isn't The Heisman" show, featuring such noted presenters as Matt Millen, Herschel Walker, Governor Bill Anoatubby (Tribal leader of the Chickasaw Nation), Fred Biletnikoff, and former SEC Commish Roy Kramer. Mo Claiborne and Tyrann Mathieu will be their to take home their position awards. You'll also have an opportunity to boo heartily at Ray Guy himself for leaving Brad Wing off of his award's finalists list.

But the real reason you'll tune in is that Les Miles will be presented with the Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (the first of no doubt many this year) and will be asked to give an acceptance speech. That's right, Les Miles in front of a live microphone on cable TV.

Show starts at 8pm on ESPN and is rated TV-CJ (may contain Craig James)

OR....

Counter Programming tonight: LPB is running selected clips from Ole War Skule, that new LSU football documentary that came out a few weeks back starting at 7pm. It may or may not contain footage of Les Miles dancing the funky chicken at a practice meeting (hint: IT DOES)

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In like Matt Flynn

I’ll be your backup QB for the night, PK.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM CST reply actions  

I'm Bryan Sparacino

So buried on the depth chart you will never see me on the field. Besides, I’m watching Community and Parks & Rec.

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching DVR'd Community. Need to catch up.

Speaking of Old War Skule, finally got my copy. Anybody interested in a review at some later date?

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going to do one, but go ahead

my review in a few words

Con: it’s a bit too long

Pro: Les Miles doing the funky chicken in a practice meeting

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen it

I was a little disappointed to be honest. It’s not bad but… I don’t know. It lacked a little something.

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by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It was alright.

A little too much “FOOTBALL IS A MAN’S GAME PLAYED BY MEN” narrator dialogue though. Kinda slowed it down.

LSU Tigers: 13-0, 2011 SEC Champions
Beat Bama (again)!

by TheOtherAndrew on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I would like one

Don’t do it for little ole me but I don’t get LPB and I can’t open my Xmas presents for about a month

by haveagreatday on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Justin Blackmon finally got a haircut

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder how much money Roy Kramer made?

It would seem that we owe him a bit

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

What's funny about that 'Storied' bit

Is all I keep thinking is “why doesn’t the game rotate sites again?”

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

This is already painful to watch

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

Biggest waist of time ever?

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

waste

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The Ray Guy finalists on hand

Yeah except for the best damn punter in the country, who wasn’t nominated for some bizarre reason. Fowler could have won cool points for life for mentinoning that.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

That Baylor Line!

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions  

If Mo Doesn't Win the Thorpe...

Well, I’m gonna type very angrily on this message board.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

He will

Its gotta be him or the guy from NC State. Who did at least have a pretty ridiculous year.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I watched the video of all his picks.

Almost all of his picks were against lesser competition and not to take away from him, but poorly thrown balls.

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

BXII has won the O'Brien 7 of the last 11 years.

If that’s not an indictment of your conference’s DBs, I dont know what is.

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

Walter Camp All-American Team announced

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/8/2622292/walter-camp-2011-all-american-team-andrew-luck-tyrann-mathieu

Claiborne, Mathieu rep LSU on the 1st team defense

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

Back to Back Bednarik's

Lose one, just trot out another.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

And Less looked like he was ready to burst with pride.

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Compare facial expressions between CLM and NS

as their players are interviewed.

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions  

How is Kendall Wright not there and Broyles is.

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

I'd go Justin Blackmon

He is ridiculously good.

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Woods is ridiculously good too...

I think Blackmon is a product of the system. Wouldn’t shock me if they just had another guy out there next year that was doing the same thing Dez… then Blackmon did.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel for Broyles

That kid’s a stud. Kind of hope the Saints take a look at him in April.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

At some point...

With the Big XII routinely winning every Davey O’Brien and every Biletnikoff… do people not say, “Hey, maybe there’s reason these guys are able to put up such ridiculous numbers?”

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Oregon's punter made it?

God now I’m really annoyed Wing got left out.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOO! BOOOOOOOO!!!

No Wing! No peace!

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

Don't even want to watch this award...

Crocodile puntee should be here…

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

Badger should take that Ray Guy for Wing...

Just sayin’ he takes what he wants for chrissake. Take the Ray Guy for Wing. DO IT.

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by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

Wow they even gave it to a Louisiana punter

Feels like Ray Guy is trolling us…

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

Not even the best punter in Louisiana

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

and why is he not here?

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

"Ryan, when you called Brad Wing for advice this year, what did he say?"

-Fowler

“AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE! OI! OI! OI!” – Brad Wing’s advice to Ryan

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Apologies to Ray Guy

But that’s fuckIng bullshit

by haveagreatday on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Brad wing on twitter
The NBA owners rejected having Brad Wing as a finalist for the Ray Guy Award, concerned about unfair competition. #ESPNCFA #LSU
Brad Wing couldn’t win the Ray Guy award because he was busy fighting crime under the name “Nightwing”

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

Ray Goff on the SEC Championship

“It’ll make it a lot harder to win a national championship.”

The definition of irony?

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

Well, for Georgia, it did...

…So he was right on that front.

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm watching this...

but also weeping into my beer at the Hornets/NBA ownership situation. What a disaster.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

Wow! Our official ATVS crush. Thanks Billy

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Isom is short for

I’som kinda cutey, fo’ sho’

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by Curtis Bleaux on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry I'm a day late and missed this, but

why in the name of all that is holy is this NOT GREEN?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!

"Well, that sucked."-stujo4 on Rams vs. Saints

by BRSaintsFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, Trent Richardson's teachers...

Told him he wouldn’t “get out of here?”

WTF?

Why are these people being paid to be teachers?

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

Lou Groza

Who else thinks we need more kicker/offensive linemen in the football?

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

My sources say..

T-Bob is the backup kicker if Alleman, Wing and Hairston decide to go on tour with the Rockettes.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, my mind cannot or will not visualize T-Bob kicking...frightful

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I haveseen nothing since the "Wide Middle"

my eyes are filled with tears from laughing so much.

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That is one big man

The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere ~ Les Miles
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook

by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions  

Hey its Grant Hills dad.

The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere ~ Les Miles
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook

by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

HB and Mo on the Walter Camp team

great award well deserved.

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers

by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

lol yes

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by jharrison2090 on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

thibk they just inserted picture.

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

LES MILES ON YOUR TV!

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

C;mon

Get is done…Les!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

Next year we should an ATVS end of the year awards

Best fan shot, best fan post, best comment, best commenter, best post…

No need to do most popular poster. Don’t need to stroke Poseur’s ego any more than we already have.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Saban hated to have to shake hands.

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers

by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

Did I catch it right

“Wild eyed Tigers ? Love it

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

Lolwut

That was silliness.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 PM CST reply actions  

Mo Claiborne deserves it...

The Manster !!!!!

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

Trifecta!

Should just call this the LSU awards show

by Xanathol on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

Two years.

Three cornerbacks. Three SEC Def. POY Awards, 2 Thorpes and 2 Bednaricks.

Ron Cooper’s gonna be gettin’ a raise methinks.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

Couldn't be happier for Morris Claiborne...

Kid excels against all odds. Once a lightly recruited kid from Fair Park to now the best DB in College football and eventual top 10 draft pick.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions  

and all around good guy...

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers

by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

you can do it...

hang in there…….

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers

by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Chief said...

let me get back to work…

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers

by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

LOL Chief looks so uncomfortable

like he’s ready to rip the suit off. Gotta love the Chief

by Xanathol on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions  

It really looked like...

He was going to knock out the camera man!!

by tkemz939 on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Excellent point Billy!

I cant “rec” from mobile.. So.. REC REC REC REC REC!!

A very wise soul once said.. “no mayter how high tuition gets…. You can pay for school, but you can’t buy CLASS!”

to all the “haters” out there.. I know we LSU fans are called by many the most “classless” loyal fan-base in college football… But, we have enough class to not make jokes at the expense of other peoples tragedies! Sorry Roll Bama Roll people (if you can call the commentor that posted that about Katrina a viable specimen of human being/person) but, we have class!! Just EFFIN sayin!!

by TigerBornTigerRaised on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We appreciate it. I only recall OTS making a bad joke.

I felt it was thoughtless and lacked class.
I remember watching coverage of Katrina for days, seeing those people sitting on their rooftops, and wondering why the Feds didn’t get there for a damn week.
I saw nothing funny.
Also, congrats on the awards. See you Jan.9!

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by mr.peabody on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

His comments directed to his own team after the first Game of the Century were truly disgusting...

and then he made the Roe v. Wade comment about HB. Totally classless. I’m not surprised that he would make a Katrina comment.

by Displaced Tiger on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Methinks he is Republican...

NTTAWWT :-)

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by mr.peabody on Dec 9, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, cool moment

I hate award shows, but every so often, there’s a genuine human moment. All of the Bama players hugging him on the way to the podium was kind of beautiful.

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

It was rough to watch

Especially since right after the tornadoes, I read the first-hand account of the whole thing from one of Tinker’s roommates. I applaud Carson for being able to talk about it on national television.

by Bugseye on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Andrew Luck

Proof that quarterbacks can be complete goobers too.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

Kellen Moore

He makes Luck look like George Clooney.

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by Poseur on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't have the ESPNU on this TV so will just bid all a good night

and it is a great night to be a Tiger fan.

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by lawildbull on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

I'll put vids up tomorrow as available

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

After watching the Ray Guy award announcement (as Ducks had a horse in that race)

it occurred to us over at the Duck blog. Why wasn’t Brad Wing nominated? Most of us outside the SEC only hear of him for the celebration penalty (during which he totally rocked his TD run. Seriously, how can you ask a punter to not celebrate running in a TD?), but the consensus is he’s pretty good.
Can you who know the Tigers inside and out give any insight as to why he was passed up?

15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd

by Brass-billed on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

BECAUSE THE AUGUSTA SPORTS COUNCIL IS RACIST AGAINST AUSTRALIANS!

Honestly, we got no idea. And it seems neither does the rest of the sportswriting world.

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by PodKATT on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly..?

Who knows!!? If anyone find a valid viable reason.. I would like to know also.. Brad Wing NOT even being named as a finalist is one of the largest.. eehhhh, scratch that… The mostestestest ex-screamly stupiderest ruhdonkulously pure-d-damn dumbdrsterest snubb I, personally, have witnessed in my lifetime! It was a "hey man… Would you hold my drink.. And my shades for me jusy a sec.. Yeah.. Both hands full now..? K.. Good.. Thank you for your helping me occupy your hands while I PUNCH YOU IN YOUR EFFIN FACE & my ‘mini me’ PUNCHES YOU IN YOUR MANSACK!! You are a great guy for doin that for me.. Thanks!

by TigerBornTigerRaised on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's a legit gripe though

Brad Wing is hands down the best punter in CFB.

He was a game changer and he was hands down our MVP in the game of the century and the WVU game, to name two.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats to all the winners

Some of the awards REALLY puzzle me. (as far as selecting player A for this award but player B for this award) But, I believe all of the nomonies were deserving. Really liked Conner representing Alabama in the spirit award. But I concur the most puzzling of all was Brad Wing not even being selected to attend the awards, no disrespect to La Tech or Ryan Allen, but to quote Mark Packer this morning: “You would have a tough time confincing me that Ryan Allen is the best punter in Louisiana.”

by lioncity on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

I hate to say it, but by the numbers Allen was better

Brad Wing, LSU: 57 punts for a 43.8 yard avg.
LSU opponents had 17 punt returns for 6 yards / a 0.4 yard avg.
23 punts inside opp 20; Percentage of punts inside opp 20 (40.35%)
18 punts 50+ yards
Longest punt: 73 yards

Ryan Allen, La Tech: 78 punts for a 46.31 yard avg.
La Tech opponents had 26 punt returns for 340 yards / a 13.08 yard avg.
37 punts inside opp 20; Percentage of punts inside opp 20 (47.43%)
29 punts 50+ yards
Longest Punt: 72 yards

With all that being said, there were 2 games early in the season where Wing did not punt one time. That could have help his average; but at the same time, due to our offense being what it is, he generally had a shorter distance to punt which hurt his average. At least we have 2 to 3 more years of Brad Wing doing his thing.

"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes." – Winston Churchill

by Swangahouse on Dec 9, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it depends on how you value punters

Allen’s numbers inside the 20 get the extra padding of 21 more punts total (I really wish they kept track of punts downed inside the 10 or the 5, because I’d be willing to bet Wing had 15 of those), AND, his punts allowed opponents to average 13 yards per return (108th in the country). Some might say that hang time and preventing a return should be a punter’s chief goal over distance.

Wing’s punts allowed a grand total of 6 return yards on the whole year. So Allen’s punts might have been three yards longer, but they came with a greater chance of 13 yards coming back the other way. Personally, I’ll take three yards less on the punt if there’s virtually no chance of a return every time.

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by Billy Gomila on Dec 9, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Wing's accuracy over distance any day

How many times has he dropped it right on top of one of the gunners for no return? Wing’s stats don’t reflect what an incredible punter he actually is.

by Bugseye on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess

They could have thought the net yardage was due to LSU’s punt coverage and the athletes involved. They could be saying Allen excelled at his position where wing was part of a shutdown unit and it’s too hard to assign credit. Whatever, we have at least 2 more years of watching him flip the field, I’d take that any day, but the recognition would have been nice for him

by ORtigerfan on Dec 10, 2011 2:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Punting for La.Tech is a helluva lot different than punting for LSU

This is Big Boy football!

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by mr.peabody on Dec 10, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

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