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Post NFL Combine Wrap-Up

The Patrick Peterson freight train churns towards No. 1 overall. (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

Unfortunately, I'll be without my bigger, stronger, better tag team partner, Andre the Giant....errr Billy Gomilla. As we noted pre-combine, a lot of LSU athletes came into the weekend with something to prove. Frankly, there weren't any real surprises as the combine wrapped up today, as most everyone performed right around the expectations at least I had heading into the event. That being said, let's take a further look into what went down this weekend.

Kneel Before Zod

As, we suspected, Zod once again rained terror upon his subjects. If you had the chance to watch it live, you probably weren't even aware there were actually a couple dozen other defensive back participants, because all they did was talk Peterson. Michael Lombardi said the only thing keeping him from being top pick is his position (only one defensive back has ever been taken number one over all, and even the best defensive backs year-to-year routinely fall to the back half of the top 10). The analysts further spent time attacking the notion that Peterson should be moved to safety, with Lombardi finally concluding that he was a safer pick than Eric Berry from last year (Lombardi is obviously enamored with him).

As for the measurements, Peterson checked in at a near even 6 foot and a stunning 219 pounds. I haven't checked the weights of every NFL corner, but I imagine that would put him near or at the top. What's most remarkable is that he's chiseled from stone. It wasn't an "oh look, Peterson got lazy" 219. It was a, "I am a golden god" 219. To further top, he blistered the 2nd fastest time at the combine, an outrageous 4.34 at 219. He also pumped out a 38-inch vertical and an outstanding 6.58 three-cone (4th best amongst DBs, which illustrates his short area explosiveness). But really, is anyone surprised? We all knew he was a freak athlete coming in. The sole question mark coming in would be how he fared in positional drills and Deion Sanders praised his fluidity. Safe to say, Peterson has sewn up a top 5 pick, potentially as high as number one overall.

Star-divide

Of the remaining participants, each had something to prove in Indianapolis whether it be their size (Nevis), speed (Sheppard, Ridley) or attitude/dedication (Barksdale) or hands (Toliver). The combine offered some opportunity to answer these questions, but for the most part, they are who we thought they were.

Kelvin Sheppard

Sheppard made headlines early on being the guy we all know who he is. His leadership qualities can not be questioned. Measuring in at just under 6'2, right at 250 pounds, Sheppard is well put together. Numbers wise, nothing from Sheppard pops out at you either positively or negatively... 22 bench reps above average, 33.5 vertical is respectable, etc. His 20 yard shuttle stood tall, but his 3-cone drill could've been better. Finally, Sheppard DNP in the 40, likely a decision on his (and his agent's) part, to try to potentially slim down (or just keep improving) for the LSU pro day.

I didn't get a chance to catch Sheppard in the drills, so if one of our loyal readers did, please chime in. Unfortunately for Sheppard, I'm not sure how much more workouts will prove for him. If he blazes his 40 at the LSU pro day he can definitely bolster his draft status, but Sheppard can't prove without pads. However, I guarantee some (probably several) team fell in love with him and he could go much higher than his measurables might indicate based on intangibles. Sheppard has weaknesses, but he's just a football player.

Drake Nevis

An injury forced Nevis to drop out of the Senior Bowl, or at least that was the explanation given. I think it's far more likely that he was advised to spend some time adding weight before heading to Indianapolis, which would be one of his major question marks. Nevis doesn't possess outstanding size. He measured in at 6'0 and a half and 294 pounds, a respectable weight. The question remains, if he adds size, can he keep his natural quickness? The combine didn't exactly help his case. Nevis is short, but stout. I'm still not sure he's an every down defensive tackle, but that doesn't mean there isn't a role for him. However, the problem is, his role in the NFL isn't what's going to make him the most money on draft day. Right now he needs to prove he has size to play every down, whereas realistically he'll slim back down in the 285 range and be a pass rushing DT, and potentially even a starting caliber player for a team like the Indianapolis Colts.

Terrence Toliver

Measuring in at just under 6'3 and a half and weighing 212 show that Toliver has true NFL size. His first unofficial 40 time was listed as a 4.54, but it seems it was officially marked as a 4.59. Respectable speed for a big, strong WR. Perhaps most shocking to me of his performance was the outstanding 6.48 3-cone drill, which was better than Zod himself. Typically taller athletes don't fair as well. It's a drill that exhibits change of direction ability, and most taller athletes can't do so fluidly enough to excel. In fact, Toliver excelled in all the quickness drills. In truth, this is excellent news for Toliver. As players such as Anquan Boldin and Hines Ward have exhibited, top end speed can be an overrated skill in WRs. Not that it hurts, but it's also not necessary to excel. However, both have quickness in and out of breaks... and these drills Toliver excelled out.

Catching the ball, he seems to have received mixed reviews. He's a body catcher, and he'll need to learn to aggressively attack the ball with his hands. Toliver is what I would call a developmental prospect for the NFL. He has the tools to some day be a no. 2 quality NFL WR, but will he dedicate himself to fine tuning his game? is he willing to work for it? Those are still the major question marks for Toliver.

Stevan Ridley

Ridley seemed to do exactly as Billy the Giant and I expected in Indianapolis. We expected a fairly pedestrian 40 (4.66), but we also anticipated he'd flash that he's quicker than fast (6.78 in the three cone, 4th amongst RBs), and actually tested well in the vertical and broad jump (better than Mark Ingram in the vert, tied in the broad), which exhibit explosiveness. What does all this mean? It means Ridley is built like a running back. Long speed isn't a necessary trait for an NFL running back. Rookie LeGarrette Blount topped the 1,000 yard mark this season, despite running a 4.7+ 40 at last year's combine. Ridley is a thickly built runner with above average quicks, and good vision. Most expect him to fall way late in the draft, or perhaps even go undrafted. I disagree.

Hell, I'll go on a limb. Mark Ingram will be drafted much higher than Ridley due to his highly acclaimed collegiate career. But I fail to see how he's a better player. Call me a homer if you'd like, but physically they are similar (Ridley carries 225 well, whereas most said Ingram needs to slim back down), and Ridley tops Ingram in the explosiveness measurements. Both lack top end speed, both are decent pass catchers. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them both have similar careers.

Joseph Barksdale

Barksdale measured in at a strong 6'4 and a half and 325 pounds. Both are above average measurements for his future position in the NFL: guard. He posted a respectable 29 bench reps (WHAT???!!! I thought Moffitt didn't make them bench press?). However, the rest of his numbers were middle of the pack at best. He's not a sludge or anything, but he is merely an average athlete. This means a likely shift down to the inside at guard. However, that will all be predicated upon his toughness. Joe never played with a true mean streak at LSU, and playing on the interior requires that extra level of nastiness. Finesse linemen can have careers in the NFL, but it's typically the nasty maulers that make careers for themselves when they aren't superior athletes. Further, much like Toliver, Barksdale needs to prove his dedication to the game.

Pep Levingston

Levingston actually outperformed my expectations for him. I was a bit puzzled by his invite in the first place, but it's now obvious to me NFL personnel men were at least piqued by his athleticism. Pep measured at 6'3 and a half and 292 pounds, running a 4.99 40 (by comparison, Drake Nevis ran a 5.06). Not blown you away type of time or anything, but it does show that he's got more athletic ability than he maybe ever displayed on the field in Baton Rouge.

That being said, I still see Pep's chances in the NFL as slim. I doubt he'll be drafted, so he'll have to try his hand as an undrafted free agent.

The Takeaway:

Obviously, Peterson leaves this event the big winner. Reviews of his performance are gushing. Lombardi (in addition to his previous gushings) called him the "cleanest" prospect in the draft (meaning the lowest bust factor of all players). This is great news for Peterson (who I still think has a shot at the number 1 overall place) and for LSU (who gets to share the spotlight of having one of their premier players paraded around).

Despite the average 40, I think Ridley probably helped his draft stock. Previously I saw him as a 5th-7th round back, but now I could see him going as high as the 4th. I think teams will like his vision, explosiveness and relatively low carry count. I also think Toliver may have boosted his draft status a bit. He's still going to go 4th to 7th round (probably 5th or later), but exhibiting his size and quickness may cause a team to take a flyer on him as early as the 3rd.

As for Sheppard, I don't think the combine helped or hurt his status. He is what we thought. He has to make one team fall in love with him. I'm sure many did. The question will be how much. He could go as high as late 2nd round if a team falls in love with his smarts and intangibles or as low as the 5th if he runs a pedestrian 40 and questions linger about his ability to get off blocks.

Unfortunately, I also think Drake Nevis comes out of this combine as a loser. I think I can see what he was trying to accomplish, but I'm not sure it fared in his favor. Regardless, Drake was never going to be the type of player that crushed the eyeball and athleticism test. He's an NFL role player, but he has the ability to be a very good one at that. I'd also put Barksdale and Levingston in the category of NFL longshots, unless we see a complete shift in the players they were in college. Barksdale's good size and three-year starter resume does give him the opportunity to perhaps latch on somewhere, but I'm not sure I ever see him as an NFL starting caliber lineman... but hell, we probably wouldn't have said that about Rudy Niswanger either.

Please chime in with your thoughts and criticisms. Tell us how you think LSU's athletes fared.

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Yes, Zod's weight is absurd...

219?! He looks 195. It’s insane. It’s the leanest 219 I’ve ever seen. He must have extremely low body fat %.

I watched him run as well. It’s obvious why he’s so damn fast (other than the obvious athleticism)- his upper body is so “quiet” when he runs. If you watched you saw most guys’ upepr bodies either jerk as they stride or there’s hitches as they run. Peterson started low then slowly & smoothly as slik raised his body as he ran just like a well-coached sprinter. Virtually no wasted motion or energy whatsoever.

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Mar 1, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

Ridley has decent hands too

May help his stock as well…. um, obviously. :)

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Mar 1, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

What's your Takeaway

on Toliver? I’d think that he’d be the 3rd Tiger taken off the board, maybe the 2nd Tiger. Could be a 4th rounder.

Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.

by Andrew Tessier on Mar 1, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

TT...

He’s got some physical ability but his inability to put it all together for any season in college is a question mark.

Were his junior and senior years marred by poor QB play? Or did he never elevate his game?

He’s got inconsistent hands. But he is big, and he has shown tenacity as a blocker, which will help him. Flashing the speed in the quickness drills shows that he could put that together to make himself a pretty good player.

I could see someone jumping on him in the 4th based on his athletic and blocking ability. But I don’t expect him to be a contributor for a few years. He needs to dedicate himself to the game.

by Paul Crewe on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

My takeways...

1. PP should be the #1 player taken. That’s not to say he will be, but you can’t make a better case for anyone else. He proved it again at the combine.

2. Ingram is better than Ridley bro. Ingram’s vision, burst, balance, and change of direction are all better. I think the comparison to Emmit are on the money. I love Ridley, but that’s just the truth.

3. TT had a great day, praised for catching the deep ball by Sharpe. Needless to say, I was shocked, as I don’t expect TT to be in the league long.

4. Nevis didn’t do anything either way at the combine, but he’s a reach in the 1st and a consensus 2nd and will make a 4-3 team happy. Some of the mock sites out there have him as high as the #3 DT, and with good reason. Don’t let the combine or hype fool ya – Paea, Luiget, Watt ( who Sapp called the next big bust ) are waaaaay overhyped – Nevis has much better tape than those guys against better competition. In fact, my DT board reads Dareus, Fairley, Austin, Nevis ( fyi, NT board is Taylor, Powell, Paea and 34 DE is Jordan, Watt ).

I suspect Nevis to have a Sed Ellis type of career as he has had up to this point – not a star, not even a ‘hidden star’, but a productive starter in the league. Then again, if a team drafts him as a 3-4 NT, he’ll be out of the league faster than Al Woods.

by Xanathol on Mar 1, 2011 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

I couldn't have said it better myself.
2. Ingram is better than Ridley bro. Ingram’s vision, burst, balance, and change of direction are all better. I think the comparison to Emmit are on the money. I love Ridley, but that’s just the truth.

I get mad when LSU players fall in the draft, but then I think of it this way. In what round would I like the Saints to draft a certain player. I wouldn’t be totally upset if the Saints drafted Ingram in the first round. I’d be upset if the Saints drafted Ridley any higher than the 4th round.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Mar 2, 2011 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I would

rather have Ridley in the 4th than Ingram in the 1st, though

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Mar 2, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Ingram in a second

Especially with the Shaun Rogers signing.

Ingram would be a great fit in the Saints’ offense. Good receiver, good short-yardage runner. Gives you one guy to handle the Pierre Thomas/Mike Bell roles from 2009,

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I think they need a left tackle

I’d be ok with Ingram, and I do think they should be more proactive about getting a RB (instead of just signing one who’s undrafted every year), but ideally I think 3rd round or so would be a good spot for that, especially if they can get a OL they like

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Mar 2, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe if there's a LT available

But he’d have to be better then what they have, which is at least serviceable.

I think RB is a bigger need right now. I mean LB would be great but I’m not sure there’s a good quality OLB that would be there. I do love this D-end class though, which is good for them.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Mar 2, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ridley and Toliver

Ridley is a football player and Toliver is a prospect with great measurables. Give me the football player. You don’t need blazing speed to be a good NFL running back. However, I disagree with Paul on the comparison to Ingram. I’ve made a cottage industry of criticizing Julio Jones, but Ingram seems like the real deal to me. I think ridley has a shot at turning out a decent career, but Ingram has a chance to be a star. I really, really like Ingram.

Toliver has all the tools, but time is running out for him to put it together. Toolsy players without production to back it up don’t always turn into busts, but it is the most likely outcome.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!

by Poseur on Mar 2, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

2. Ingram is better than Ridley bro. Ingram’s vision, burst, balance, and change of direction are all better. I think the comparison to Emmit are on the money. I love Ridley, but that’s just the truth.

How can you surmise his burst is better? Ridley tested out better in every measure of explosiveness… every single one of them.

I can’t disagree with the vision/balance/change of direction.

It’s just my opinion, and may be totally homerish, but Ingram flourished in large part because of the offense he played in. He played 3 years in his career in an offense dedicated to running the football and with a clear identity. We never got to see Ridley in any of those situations… thus I don’t think we got to see Ridley’s max potential.

Honestly, this was less of a “man, I think Stevan Ridley is a 1st round talent” than “Mark Ingram is an overrated player.” I don’t think the difference in he and Ridley is all that much, but that’s just my take.

by Paul Crewe on Mar 2, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Just FYI

I knew that comment more than anything would draw the most attention from the piece.

And it obviously comes out as total homer biased craziness. I didn’t mean for it. I try to look at all things objectively. Perhaps it’s because Ingram battled through injuries this year and didn’t get to exhibit his full range of skills all season that he’s not standing out to me.

I just think Ingram is a guy who maxed out in college and won’t excel in the NFL.

by Paul Crewe on Mar 2, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

10 yd split.

Ingram had the fastest 10 yard split of all the running backs, really leaping ahead when they put all the running backs on simulcast. The NFL Network guys kept drooling over it. The only interwebs blurb about it other than forums was here:

His 10-yard split, 1.53 seconds, was most impressive to NFL scouts. It was a full tenth of a second better than the average from last year’s Combine

I like Ridley, really, I do, but I think Mark is the real deal and well worth the praise… even if he is a Gump.

by Xanathol on Mar 2, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine.

I respect your opinion and it jives with most others.

Just offering my 2 cents. It wasn’t because he played for Bama, either. Like I said, I try to be as objective as possible.

by Paul Crewe on Mar 3, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course!

Same here… though I wouldn’t blame anyone for hating a Gump!

by Xanathol on Mar 3, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Almost forgot

Kelvin looked really good in drills. I thought he would be stiff and struggle a bit in change of direction, but he looked really, really good, to my surprise. Can’t catch worth a crap though. ;)

by Xanathol on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 AM CST reply actions  

Thoughts

I definitely think the majority of the LSU guys more or less met my expectations.

1. Ridley did an excellent job, although I can’t quite go as far as Paul does (I for one would be ecstatic if the Saints could get their hands on Mark Ingram at the 24th pick). He didn’t flash great speed, but I don’t think anybody expected him to. But he did show that he’s a pretty good athlete for his size, and I have no doubt he’ll do well in interviews. Unfortunately his draft slotting is just going to really depend on where teams slot the bigger backs in this class.

2. It’s funny — Drake Nevis’ 31 bench reps would have been great most years, but it’s not even top 10 this year. He showed himself to be the guy we saw on the field. Undersized but really strong and quick. He’s still a system player in the NFL, though. Ditto Kelvin Sheppard.

3. Toliver needed to show he can hand-catch the ball. He didn’t, and I really think that even with his athleticism, that’s going to be the biggest red mark against him.

4. Surprises from Barksdale and Levingston, though I have no idea if it’s enough to get them drafted. Remember, combine workouts don’t come before game tape. In Joe’s case, he’s going to have to convince an OL coach that he’s mean enough. Pep will probably have to earn it in training camp.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Mar 2, 2011 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

Mike Detillier comments

Just passing these along as it has some interesting comments. Reveille Combine article. This on Kelvin Sheppard, after saying he helped himself more than any LSU prospect.

“They were very impressed with his one-on-one interviews, and that’s not a shock,” Detillier said. “He’s going to come across as a real team leader and a real sharp guy, and that helped him out.”

Looks like a team or two saw through the measurables. Also, this quote is solid gold:

“With Peterson, if there’s any talk about moving him to safety, you can shit-can that one,”

by Big McLargeHuge on Mar 3, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

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