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Nope - LSU Baseball misses the Postseason

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LSU did not make the NCAA tournament, the first miss for LSU in 4 years. It's the 2nd miss under Mainieri (though no one blames him for the 1st one) and only the 5th June without LSU baseball since the beginning of the Bertman era in 1984. The last time a head coach at LSU missed the NCAAs in his 5th year, he got canned. Certainly recent successes and a ring will prevent anything that drastic from happening this year. But being an NCAA bubble team and falling behind an always improving SEC is not what fans expect. Neither is having a team that makes you second guess if they should have even been in the bubble conversation to begin with.

Sure, there are plenty of questionable teams that got in ahead of us (St John's immediately jumps out at you.) but getting into this position in the first place is the real problem. Every negative about LSU's resume rings true. 7-11 road record, which drops to 4-11 if you take out non-tourney teams. Our conference record against post-season SEC teams is a grotesque 4-14. Only 1 road series victory. With the exception of the Pontiff game against USM, the only non-conf road games were in-state cupcakes. 9th in the SEC without a trip to Hoover. That kind of resume isn't going to get you into the postseason anymore.

The way to fix this is to schedule some road games. Waiting until March to have the 1st weekend away from home may help us keep the attendance title, but it obviously hurts in the eyes of the committee. The cocky excuse of "Alex Box is so awesome, why would we ever leave?" rings hollow when you're sitting at home on the 1st of June. Just being on the road is good enough, as UGA found out by getting swept at a surprisingly good Stetson to open the year. Certainly Southern coach Rodger Cador will be getting a call about restarting the home and home, and it's not too far out to think about seeing LSU head to a far-flung early season tourney at a pro park on the west coast.

Star-divide

Or maybe we wont have to. The other way to improve our standing is to win games. If LSU could have held on to any one of the close games in league play this season (Florida, Arkansas, Miss St., Auburn) we would have made Hoover and gotten an at-large spot that went to one of the other SEC-W teams. In most of those games, relief pitching let us down, which has been a problem for 2 years now. 

Which brings us to the discussion about potential coaching changes. I don't think either Javi Sanchez or David Grewe will be fired or replaced this offseason, but if I had to bet, my money is on Grewe. The battery just doesn't seem to be improving from game to game or year to year. With the single exception of the Fullerton series, Matty Ott was still in the same slump he was last season all year. Middle relief has been scattershot. The only improvement I see is McCune, Gausman, and Eades getting better as they adjust to the college game. Tyler Jones has had a horrible year against competition that is actually alive. Sure, losing Rittiner and Bourgeois for the entire year to TJ surgery would have hurt us initially, but by mid-conference season you have to be past that and we weren't.

As for Javi, I honestly believe he gets a pass, as most hitting coaches will, due to the new bats. You may think it a crutch, but when a national seed like Texas has only about a dozen homers as a team, clearly the game has had a major shift. For all the talk lately about base running, we really haven't had that bad of a year. Yes, we lead the SEC in caught stealing, but not by a wide margin. We were also near the top in successful stolen bases and attempts, so it was more of an effect of an aggressive baserunning strategy than any coaching mistake (though wether our coaching strategies were right this year is a matter worthy of it's own discussion).

There is also the matter of putting Mainieri on the hot seat. The singular goal of this program, above beating Ole Miss or Tulane, above winning or making Hoover, is to get to Omaha and missing twice is going to get the fanbase disturbed. Now that it's been 5 years, you're going to see it a lot over the next few days, so lets get the Manieri-Laval comparisons out of the way

 


Mainieri Laval
Overall 211-104-2 210-109-1
SEC Tourney app 4 4
SEC Titles 3 1

NCAA App

3 4
Omaha app 2 2
Natl Champ 1 0

 


That last line is a big one, and it's why I think it's still another year before any sort of hot seat talk can truly begin. The story has been told many times how Mainieri cleaned house after his first year and built a champion. There is a lot of youth on this team right now and maybe it just needs time. LSU isn't used to rebuilding years in the time that the sport has supplanted basketball as #2 in our hearts, but we may be asking the impossible. Paul Mainieri is not Skip Bertman, but neither is anyone else. Demanding that level of excellence is what we as LSU fans are going to do, but I worry that we will over-react when we don't get it.

 

This is not the end of our baseball coverage for the year by any means. A full review of the roster, who's a draft risk, and a rooting guide for the tourney (because what are you going to do for the next month, watch pro ball?) are all in the works for the coming days.

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After thinking about the season as a whole, do you think LSU baseball deserved an NCAA bid?
Yes
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No
54 votes

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I voted no on the poll.

If we’d deserved to be in the tourney, we’d be in the tourney.

Some thoughts…

Waiting until March to have the 1st weekend away from home may help us keep the attendance title, but it obviously hurts in the eyes of the committee.
I don’t mean to go all Bammer Football on you, but… As Poseur will undoubtedly point out, we are the New York Yankees of college baseball. I’m not really all that interested in scoring brownie points with the selection committee by playing away games so that when we pony up a turd in the regular season we may have a better shot as a bubble team. We aren’t in the tourney this year because we were below .500 in league play. That’s the bottom line. Our team makes money, let them make it.

As for the team, I can’t get too upset at the pitching staff when we had so many first year guys contributing. For us to have expected much more from these guys isn’t that fair. McCune, Eades, Gausman, Berry, even Ty Jones….My had is off to you guys. I’m proud of Alsup too.

I’m a little more worried about our hitting. We’ve got a lot of young promising pitchers, but we are losing our two best hitters this year (Mikey and Nola) after losing our two best hitters last year, after losing our 2-3 best hitters the year before. Jones has promise, Katz has really come on strong, and Raph may blossom as well, but the lineup that we will field next year is already a disappointment. We need to recruit some hitters…Fast.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with you about road games

I don’t think scheduling road games is the key. It would be the key if our goal is to be a bubble team that makes it into the tournament. Obviously, that is not our goal. I don’t have anything AGAINST scheduling road trips against good opponents, but this is not the strategy I would use to get us to the tournament. The team simply needs to be better, get more wins, get into the discussion of the best teams in the country, and we won’t ever have to worry about the bubble again.

If you’re on the bubble and don’t make it into the tournament, you can’t really complain. Sure, maybe our resume was a little better than one or two other bubble teams’ resumes, but we only have ourselves to blame for allowing that conversation to even happen. LSU baseball should never be in that conversation.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on May 31, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, maybe our resume was a little better than one or two other bubble teams’ resumes,

there’s about 5 teams that are definitely worse at large bids. The selection committee was even more unpredictable or consistent (read: shitty) at who and how they picked.

but we only have ourselves to blame for allowing that conversation to even happen.

That’s the end all be all. Win one or maybe two more SEC games and we aren’t having this conversation (and leaving it up to the jokers at the NCAA).

by LSUJOSHUA on May 31, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree and rec'd

This pretty much encapsulates how I feel on the matter.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on May 31, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poseur,

I completely agree with everything you just said. COMPLETELY.

I just don’t feel sorry for us.

We’re freaking LSU. We aren’t the little sisters of the poor. (Ohio St. lolz) Maybe we are being held to a higher standard so that the NCAA doesn’t look like it’s picking favorites. Maybe someone on the selction committee has an axe to grind against us. Maybe we were just unlucky (twice in two years) I don’t know, and I don’t care. When you live on the bubble you are susceptible to crappy selection committee results.

At the end of the day we were just the 9th best team in a league that sent 7 teams to the tourny.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

9th best team in a league that sent 7 teams to the tourny

And winning just two or three more vaults us to 5th. That’s the lesson I hope the kids and especially the coach take home. I would say fans, but, we know how well they like to hear that instead of “NCAA/ESPN hates us!”.

by LSUJOSHUA on May 31, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the only reason that LSU fans are slightly peeved

Is that the 10th best team in a league that sent 7 teams to the tourney is in the tourney.

I don’t even think we’d be having this debate if State hadn’t made it.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baylor getting a 2-seed also hurt

But, yeah, it’s mainly State. I don’t see how you can look at the two profiles and choose State over LSU. We win using the NCAA’s stated criteria.

But i think the larger issue is that we were even on the bubble in the first place. This was a lost season.

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by Poseur on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a team that had a stated goal of getting back to omaha...

Yeah, we had a lost season by just being on the bubble…

…you know unless we pulled a fresno.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a team that had a stated goal of getting back to omaha...

Yeah, we had a lost season by just being on the bubble…

…you know unless we pulled a fresno.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't feel sorry for us either

We put ourselves in a position to get screwed, and then we got screwed. At the end of the day, its our fault. Win more so you’re not on the bubble.

I think the committee did us wrong, but that doesn’t absolve the team for being in this situation in the first place. Just because I don’t think we deserve sympathy doesn’t mean the committee made the right deicsion.

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by Poseur on May 31, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again

^ this

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on May 31, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

concur

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on May 31, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My position, which is something of yours rephrased:

This was a disappointing year by LSU standards, but LSU standards are such that you can have a disappointing year and still be good enough that, by objective metrics, you deserve one of the 64 spots.

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by AllSaintsDay on May 31, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just a simple look at not making the Regionals

When you don’t even qualify for your conference tournament, I don’t expect to get an at-large bid, no matter how good the level of play is. Quality losses are still losses.

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by Curtis Bleaux on May 31, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

The Poseur mantra

“I do not care about moral victories, so I will dothe team the courtesy of not caring about moral losses.”

You’ve essentially stated the inverse rule: Quality losses are still losses. Bad wins are always better than quality losses. I second your emotion.

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by Poseur on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad wins are always better than quality losses

The paradox of scheduling. Nobody wants to play a weak schedule, but nobody wants to lose, either.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on May 31, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you guys have a losing record in

The SEC? Hard to justify post season when you are not good enough for the SEC tourney (the ’98 MSU team will disagree).

Did not watch y’all play at all but y’all have always been a power team. Did you struggle to adjust to manufacturing runs as opposed to waiting for a 3-run blast? If y’all fire Minieri then I wantA&M to fire Childress and hire him immediately. I think he is a hell of a coach.

by miketag on Jun 1, 2011 3:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

We had a terrible midseason lull

and struggled all season to find good pitching while a few spots in our lineup were black holes of production. There were a lot of deficiencies on this team, but I think those are the keys. Strangely, despite having some dead spots in the lineup, our run totals were pretty good. Pitching, and in particular relief pitching, killed us.

Things got better in the last little bit of the season, but we started conference play so miserably it was just too deep a hole. Had we won one or two more conference games, we would have been off the bubble.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Jun 1, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manufacturing runs

Actually, that was the problem. We bunted our way out of a winning record. Mainieri became unreasonably enamored with giving away outs. It drove me friggin’ insane. One of our top OBP hitters set a school record for sac bunts.

Why God, why?

Not enough doubles, too many holes in the lineup, and we gave away too many outs. Also, our defense was strangely unreliable, as was the bullpen. LSU went 5-8 in one run games, which was the difference in the season.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
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by Poseur on Jun 1, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and to be fair

We criticized this strategy even in the year we won the national championship, when we complained bitterly about giving away outs. That year we had a lot of outstanding hitters, a feature this team did not have. As you said earlier in the year, it’s one thing to bunt with your weaker hitters, but another thing entirely to bunt really good hitters, and INEXCUSABLE to bunt your best hitters when you have so many holes in the lineup. When everyone’s a good hitter, it’s a weird quirk to want to bunt them. When you only have 4 or 5 people producing, asking one of them to bunt is seriously hurting your team.

Sadly, I think this is just a feature of having Mainieri as a coach. Whatever his strengths and weaknesses, we are just going to have to live with him wanting to bunt all the damn time.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Jun 2, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

One possible explanation for bunting Hanover so much..

was his low slugging %. He got on base a lot, but hit for no power.

Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.

And The Valley Shook

by Richard Pittman on Jun 2, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

Those times he got on base are called NOT OUTS. He was a classic table setter. Just wasted. Getting on base is the most valuable skill a hitter can have.

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And The Valley Shook!
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by Poseur on Jun 2, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

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