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2011 Football Season Preview - Week 1 v. Oregon (Dallas)

August. It's finally here. There is exactly 1 month until the beginning of the College Football season, which means it's well past time to begin previewing the upcoming season.  Every few days we'll preview a team on LSU's schedule, followed by a mini round-table where we'll give you our takes on the important aspects of the game at hand. Each preview will have a poll where we'll ask you to pick the winner straight up. First up, Oregon

Strength

 

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The reasons you are having nightmares about this game.

 

Everyone rants and raves about Oregon's high-tempo, high-scoring offense and the praise is well deserved. Held under 40 points just 3 times last year (Auburn, Oregon St., and inexplicably Cal), Oregon decimated most of their competition, including an impressive streak of averaging more than a point a minute through the early part of their season. In fact, with no other method of slowing them down, a few Pac-12 teams resorted to faking injuries (as perceived by Oregon coaches and backed up with embarrassing video evidence) to try and unsuccessfully slow them down. Oregon favors the rush, but their air attack is very potent . Returning JR QB Darron Thomas was second in PAC-12 passing behind only Heisman finalist Andrew Luck with 2881 yds on 222 pases for 30 TDs and a 61% completion rate. He's also a genuine run threat with 486 yds on 93 attempts last year, good enough to be the Ducks 3rd leading rusher. 

Which is impressive when you consider the Ducks leading rusher, Heisman finalist JR LaMichael James. The PAC-12's leading rusher by more than 300 yds, James gained 1731 on the ground for 21 TDs, averaging nearly 6 ypc. With him in the backfield is JR Kenjon Barner (551 yds, 6 TDs, 6.1 ypc) and a few highly touted newcomers, including Lache Seastrunk coming off a redshirt season. Keeping this ground game under control will be the priority for LSU, but Thomas' exceptional passing ability makes a full sellout an impossibility. Such is the task for Chavis, but I think we're all glad he can spend a lot of the summer figuring it out.

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Weakness

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Nike does occasionally make special uniforms that don't suck

It's a case where what might be a highlight is overshadowed by the rock-star status on the other side of the ball when talking about Oregon's defense, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns. Oregon's pass defense was not always consistent last year, giving up +250 yds 5 times, including 341 against Stanford and 448 against Arizona, both at home. With the Harris suspension, Oregon will also be without both of last year's starting CBs. The Ducks D-Line was a bright spot, holding opponents under 150 yds on the ground all but 4 times, the worst being 254 yds against the Fightin' Cam Newtons in the BCS game. There is concern here too, though, as they lose 3 starters on the line, 2 of them All-P12 2nd teamers, with a combined 42 TFL last year. Oregon has had success in the past when adding new faces on the line, but replacing that kind of production won't be easy.

 

The Rest

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Cliff Harris: "Speedy" punt returner (get it?)

Thanks to going +100 in a rental car of dubious origins, CB Cliff Harris will be suspended for the game, hurting the Ducks passing defense and, more importantly, taking away a weapon on special teams. Harris had 546 yds on punt returns last year, averaging 18 yds a return and scoring 4 TDs, numbers that are better than even Patrick Peterson did last year. RB Kenjon Barner, who had a PR TD himself last year might be his likely replacement, but we wont know for sure until game week.

 


When last we saw them: October 22, 1977; LSU 56 - Oregon 17 (series 2-1 LSU, all games played in Baton Rouge)

No video, photos, or even a game recap that I've been able to find. After two matchups in the 30's, Oregon returned to Death Valley in what would seem like an oddly timed matchup today, but was really a cupcake game. It was Oregon coach Rich Brooks' (yes, that Rich Brooks) 1st year with the Ducks, in the middle of a dark time for the program. Oregon hadn't seen a bowl in more than a decade and wouldn't until the 1989 Independence Bowl. Notable LSU players include former QB and current TE coach Steve Ensminger and a little known running back by the name of Charles Alexander. It was the first year of the last significant change LSU ever made to the uniforms with the change to the current helmet design. In the interim, Oregon has had 263 different uniform combinations.



Question Time

Jordan Jefferson had one of his best games on the turf in the JerryDome last year, but now we've got Kragthorpe. Can the magic continue without "The Wizard"?

Paul: Jefferson's play really improved down the stretch last season, particularly his deep ball. KC Joyner wrote a really nice piece back in February about how Jefferson's YPA on deep passes down the stretch last season was higher than Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy or Jimmy Clausen at any point in their careers. Of course, this is a small sample, but I think we'd all agree his play was better as the season wore on. He's become such a whipping boy though (bringing some of this on himself), that his accomplishments are often overlooked. Most are taking the cautiously optimistic approach, saying "We've heard all this before." Well yes.. and no. We've heard he looks "better" and mostly from Miles and co. trying to protect their own. But this off-season national journalists and analysts from Jesse Palmer to Charles Davis chimed in on how improved he looks. That's promising. People write players off a lot, Jefferson has certainly earned that stigma. But I expect good things. He's a senior playing on a National Championship caliber team. That has a way of bringing out the best in a lot of people. He started the UNC game strongly before the team went into chill mode... I would not be surprised if he came out firing against Oregon.

 

Poseur: Really? Am I on Candid Camera?

My general dislike of Crowton could not have been more clear, so I think just about any OC is an improvement. Krag1N1 doesn't have to be some genius, he merely has to be competent - and that starts with simplifying the playbook. The biggest problem for LSU has been confusion at the line, and I think we'll see a far more confident and crisper unit. People will know where to line up, at the very least.

Even the Cotton Bowl, Crowton's Last Stand, had some classic Crowtonian play calling. I almost killed a man during his goal line sequence, in which he forgot that Spencer Ware was busy being awesome. Crowton's play calling could be described in one word: cute. Krag1N1 needs to get us away from cute, and to doing what we do well - handing the ball off behind a pretty terrific offensive line. Over and over again. Nothing cute, just brutality. JJ needs, oh God I'm going to say it again, swagger. And that means attacking relentlessly. Right down the other team's throat, which is a style that I think suits JJ.

 

Billy: The more I watch those Cotton Bowl highlights again, the more I think we'll see something very similar in LSU's second trip to the Jerra-Dome. Heavy on the run, heavy on the play-action passing, with a lot of bootlegs and roll-outs worked in. When you have a veteran offensive backfield, offensive line and a talented group of receivers, simple is better. My guess is that's the contribution from Kragthorpe this year.

I don't know that anybody truly believes the Jordan Jefferson hype fully, and they probably shouldn't. All the talk from reporters and players in the press is definitely different from last year to this year, but until we're seeing live game action, it's just talk. Of course, he wouldn't be the first quarterback to explode a year after Gary Crowton left town, something our Duck counterparts know well.

 

More entertaining matchup: Oregon on offense or LSU on offense?

Paul: With Oregon losing Cliff Harris and not exactly being a defensive powerhouse in the first place, I'm actually a lot more interested in watching our D match up with their O. I think we'll score points successfully. Chavis is routinely thrown into the mix as a guy who "can't stop the spread option." The LSU D's performance against Auburn last year doesn't help amend that opinion. Keeping pace will be important, as we are all aware of Oregon's furious offensive style. We've got the team speed to keep up. We've got the depth. Will the scheme be there? I think the quality + quantity of capable, athletic defenders for LSU should be enough to help them keep throwing bodies at Oregon.

 

Poseur: Oregon might have the best offense in the country and LSU might have the best defense (don't take this as an authoritative statement - I know there are other contenders). That is clearly the marquee matchup of this game: strength on strength. Now, the LSU O vs. the UO D might more interesting, in the sense that no one really knows what's going to happen there, but the power of the team's going up against each other should be a ton of fun.

Let's not be SEC homers here - Oregon is a great football team, especially on offense. That team is loaded, particularly at the skill positions, and there's no chance we entirely shut them down. The Ducks are going to score points, the key is to keep them around 20. I don't think we can win a high-scoring shootout. Watching the two team's best units slug it out should be some compelling football.

 

Billy: More LSU fans will probably be watching the offense, but let's be real, this is one of the best offenses in the country, and how LSU contains it will be the ultimate story of this game. I say contain because the chances of "stopping" an outfit that led the nation in scoring just a year ago seems nigh-impossible.

Yeah, Oregon's breaking in three new offensive linemen, but the Tigers aren't exactly a group of seasoned vets on the defensive interior. And that's my biggest concern. Sure, there's tons of talent at defensive tackle and middle linebacker, but we're talking about a group of sophomores and freshmen that get to start their first season in the driver's seat of the LSU defense against a Heisman Trophy finalist. Can Michael Brockers, Josh Downs or Bennie Logan be the type of disruptive force that Drake Nevis was last year, whether as individuals or as a unit? I'd like to think so, but they're diving into the deep end of the pool on their first try.

 

That new D-Line for Oregon just screams "The Spencer Ware Show" doesn't it?

Paul: I'm not ashamed to say Spencer Ware will be a star. This will be the first step (or the 2nd I guess, after the Texas A&M game).

 

Poseur: /salivates

I agree with your leading question. Especially because I argued that Krag1N1 should be instituting the "no subtlety" offense. Make Oregon prove they can stop our run game. It's not just Ware, it's our offensive line, which really makes me excited this year. I love our line.

 

Billy: The new defensive line, the new linebackers, and the fact that one of the best ways to limit a good offense is to try and keep it off the field with your own attack. We're in unanimous agreement that Ware is the breakout star of this team. Is there any better way to break out than against a top-five team in front of a national television?

 

Give me a poster combination you want to see on the Oregon sideline in Dallas

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Paul: Casey Anthony, Jim Tressel, Cliff Harris and a Banana.

Poseur: Craig James' faceBloody knifeFive dead hookersESPN logo

Billy: Can't we just photoshop a Tiger into this picture? Someone call LSUFreek!

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There is tons more analysis to come on the Ducks over the coming weeks here on ATVS. For coverage with a more Mallard-based slant check out our SB Nation bros at Addicted To Quack.

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Cal Defense Against Oregon Offense

As briefly mentioned above, Cal (5-7) managed a decent result against Oregon last year (a 15-13) loss. Cal’s SBNation site, California Golden Blogs, has a few breakdowns, including this one: http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/7/11/2244672/film-study-the-chip-kelly-vs-clancy-pendergast-chess-match

by Longhorns, Tigers, and Bears, Oh My! on Aug 1, 2011 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice breakdown

It looks like our safeties and corners will need to be aware of what the man they are covering is trying to do, if we are going to play that kind of scheme (cover 0). I also noticed Cal goes with an odd man front. Seems like I have read on smart football a few times that an odd man front is more likely to work with the spread option, but just going off memory with that.

by Big McLargeHuge on Aug 1, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its had success

But it can be countered with midline reads a little more easily, and with motion blockers. Big reason why LSU used so many flex tight ends in the Cotton Bowl

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by Billy Gomila on Aug 1, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

It would seem to me that an even front would work better against a team that uses a lot of read option plays. I might be wrong though.

Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!

by Gregatron on Aug 1, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you referenced the CGB post. It was a nerve-wracking game to watch.

We’re expecting to see a lot of two TE sets and plays featuring a position we call TZR (sometimes referred to as “tazer”). We were unable to run a lot of tazer plays last year after Kenjon Barner (who was groomed for the the position) was injured on a punt return in the first quarter of the game against Washington State. Those of us that are hopeful DeAnthony Thomas sees significant playing time this year think it will be at the TZR position.

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by DuckUntilDeath on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool preview

Pretty much agree with everything here.

If Kragthorpe does what we all hope he’ll do—let us stick to the things we do well—I’m gonna gonna be one happy camper. I watched the WVU game last year with a few of their fans, and they kept telling me they didn’t understand why we didn’t keep running Ridley up the middle. They noticed just like I did WVU was helpless to stop him from gashing them. They said if they were our coach, Ridley would’ve gotten the ball 30 times that game or until WVU proved they could stop him.

Spencer Ware running duck-wild in JerryWorld…….yes, please.

by MikeDeTiger on Aug 1, 2011 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm a little worried about run oriented spread teams against Chavis.

Auburn made it look easy last year.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Aug 2, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll have some more coming on that the next few weeks

Had my head buried in some sites on defending Oregon and what the defense needs to do.

Auburn, it still goes back to the defensive line getting dominated and the back seven completely failing to tackle Cam (which a lot of defenses failed to do).

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't know what to think about that game

We only gave up 24 points, and that includes TDs on 2 huge plays. Take away those plays and we win the game. I was sure that we got killed on TOP but it was only 32-27. 86 yards passing is fantastic, but 440 on the ground is pretty obviously terrible. I still seem to recall a bunch of 3 and outs at the end of the game by our offense which led to our defense being gassed. If we hold Oregon to 20-24 points we should win, especially is we rush for more than 115 yards, which seems like a given.

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Derek Helton and the special teams

greatly assisted our not getting blown out in that game. We lost on the lines but we were usually winning the field position battle. Seriously, they deserved some kind of award for some of those punts downed inside the 5.

by MikeDeTiger on Aug 2, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also think Auburn's success

had a lot to do with defensive players going for “kill” shots instead of breaking down & just tackling.

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by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 2, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Aug 3, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

LSU 27 - OU 20

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Wishful thinking.

Scores are going to be in the 30s atleast and the majority of it will be running game on both sides.

"Put me in a college football stadium press box on a Saturday afternoon, and I'm more giddy than a 13-year-old at a Miley Cyrus concert." - Mark Schlabach

by Matt 'n' The Hat on Aug 2, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think our pass defense on a per play basis...

was really good. Yards per attempt we were #5, opposing passer rating was #7, and passer percentage was #10. Luck didn’t have a particularly good game. In fact, if my memory serve me correctly, he had one of his worst passer ratings.

Foles beat Harris on a double move to Criner but I think Harris slipped on the play and that was about 80 of his yards (although I think Harris got baited). Overall, I think the duck’s were poor on rush defense, especially in the first half. Tennessee, Cal, USC, Auburn and Az State. Poole, Vareen, and Lewis had their 100 yards by the first half. All were pretty much shut down in the second.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Aug 2, 2011 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I know in UT's case

Oregon’s offensive explosion kind of made running the ball a non-starter for Tennessee. And overall, they weren’t a great running team anyway in SEC play.

Honestly until proven otherwise, we assume LSU is going to run the ball a ton because it’s a much better running team than passing one.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This year our rush defense...

will probably be pretty good. We are replacing the two undersized DTs with Heimuli and Keliikipi that will be above average in size. Teams got a good push in the first half against our defense but stamina and rotation kicked in and teams got stopped cold.

I anticipate our rush defense to be better.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Aug 2, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams like Stanford and Arizona had to abandon the run

That’s the great thing about our offense, if we can score early or pile on the points in the beginning stages of the 2nd half it forces teams to abandon their running game. They become one dimensional and then plays like this happen. The reason why Stanford had 341 yards on us is two-fold: 1)Andrew freaking Luck and 2)The game started to get away from them. Arizona did have 448 yards of passing on us but a completion percentage of just 53%. They were forced to start throwing the ball as we piled on the points in the 3rd.

If LSU keeps it close early and often, then that definitely bodes well for your favor in keeping the ground game churning and keeping the ball out of our hands. One last note: we aren’t Oklahoma. It’s UO, NOT OU.

by SeattleDucks on Aug 2, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Oregon also ranked 112th in Passing Attempts by Opponents, at a rather large 489 attempts.

The two statistics most Oregon fans don’t particularly worry about, by themselves, is 1. Time of Possession and 2. Total Passing Yards.

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by JShufelt on Aug 2, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last thing LSU wants in this game is a shootout

Until proven otherwise, they don’t have the passing game for it with any team, much less a high-quality offense like Oregon’s. As I’ll be writing about later, the teams that slowed Oregon down won the line of scrimmage. That’s LSU’s best chance, and it also happens to be the one area they probably have an advantage.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Long drives...

LSU wants to play ball control. Especially against a team like UO. LSU’s achilles heel last year was big plays — they gave up too many of them and they didn’t have many of them on offense. That has to change for this game.

LSU’s defense has to use its speed to force UO to repeatedly make 1st downs. Make them earn those yards. On the flip side, LSU can live without big plays on offense, but they need to convert on 3rd downs — sustain drives.

If the score is in the 30’s, LSu probably ain’t winning. LSU’s D has to keep the Ducks under 30 points to have a legit chance of winning this game. That is no small task.

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by Poseur on Aug 2, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

running game

I don’t disagree, Poseur. I’ve been the night watchman of ball control since the 2009 season, when it seemed like we couldn’t buy a 10 play drive or a 6 minute drive. We’ve gotten better steadily.

Considering the running game and line play, I think a great deal depends upon how Oregon tries to attack. Our defense is pretty damn fast and can destroy teams that try to run outside. Yeah, I know Oregon has a good running game, but if they try to take things outside, I think we’ll eat that up. That Mingo fellow is somewhat agile and a tad bit fast. They’d be better off running right up the gut. Part of my fear is knowing that we’re replacing Nevis and Sheppard in the center of our defense.

I trust I’m not giving Oregon’s coaching staff any new ideas…

Oh, and both teams are apt to sustain drives on 4th down. Lesticles!

by uberschuck on Aug 3, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oregon often has a lot of success through the middle, and even the outside runs are designed with cutback lanes if it opens up. They don’t run outside plays just to get to the outside corner – you get quicker positive yards by running down the field than to the side of the field..

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by JShufelt on Aug 3, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Repeated first downs for UO.

This is true, and I think we did a good job of that against Auburn last year, until they hit those 2 long runs in the 2nd half. One thing that I remembed about Auburn last year, though, is the absolute lack of negative plays. If you’re going to give up 3 and 4 yards a pop on the run, that’s not necessarily going to kill you but you have to get a negative play on those runs out of the shotgun every now and then, or they’re looking at 3 and 2 every three downs and that’s pretty hard to stop. I would like to see the defensive line play a slightly more pentrating style to put a little more pressure on UO. I know Chavis wants to wait for a mistake by the offense, and Oregon really wants to force the issue, so maybe they’ll get greedy, but Auburn didn’t and we couldn’t get them off the field.

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Aug 3, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my point about Auburn

It wasn’t that the defense wasn’t TRYING to make things happen in the backfield. It was just that they were failing, and Auburn was making them play. If I had time, there’s a youtube video of every offensive snap from that game, and I’m almost positive that every big play Auburn made came when LSU brought a blitz.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
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by Billy Gomila on Aug 3, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about blitzing

I’m talking about the D-Line. I think Chavis felt like penetration by the defensive line made them more susceptible to misdirection and basically told them to stay put. When that happens, you can only generate pressure with blitzes. I’d like to see more penetration by the defensive line – that’s what Fairley did so well against Oregon last year.

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Aug 3, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

*scowl*

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And Cliff Harris was like, "VRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

by DuckUntilDeath on Aug 2, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

A Duck Alumni and Realistic Fan's Thoughts

First, regardless of the side you are on you have to love this game. Whoever wins, in a fair world at least, will be the new #1 at the beginning of the second week and it is doubtful the loser will drop from the top then.

That said

I think Oregon wins a close one, and rather then go the usual “OMG WE’RE GONNA DESTROY YOU!!!!11111ONE” route I would like to give you my thought as a sober duck fan.

Oregon’s Defense Will Show Up
@ Boise St with Kellen Moore to start the 09 season, a Rose Bowl against Terrell Pryor and THE (former) Ohio State Buckeyes, and the National Title Game make up the three biggest challenges we have faced in the last two years.

Oregon’s defense allowed an average of 22.3 points in those games and while your Tigers are every bit as good as the average of those three teams, it would be a stretch to say you are better. Just as with the upcoming game, Oregon was replacing their D-Line against BSU and saw no drop-off. As a Duck fan, the ability of our D-Line to reload with the players we have had around has been amazing. We probably haven’t had a true DT since Haloti Ngata if you would believe that, and the kids stepping up this year are better specimen than we have had in awhile.

The same thing can be said of our linebackers. Losing Casey Matthews and Spencer Paysinger is going to be an adjustment, but the athletes behind them are frankly better athletic specimen.

The O Line
Going into the BSU game we were replacing 4 starters, and it showed. The thing that isn’t mentioned is the difference in philosophy since then. Kelly just plain subs more than Bellotti did, and while we are technically replacing 3 starters, one of the new starters has actually started several games and has two seasons of rotational play under his belt. The others have some experience as well and the sudden return of * recruit Hamani Stevens from an LDS mission promises a utility player which will be needed to back up the new starters. All that said, we will lose some production on the O-line early in the season, but it won’t be as it was two years ago.

My Prediction
Like I said I think Oregon wins this, but not by much. I’m betting a John Boyett interception late in the game (he has killed two final USC drives this way in his time at Oregon) seals the deal and Oregon kneels on something like a 22-17 victory. For me it comes down to this: You guys will have a true freshman at DT instead of Nick Fairley and we will still have Lamichael James.

That said, if your Tigers win I will not be the least bit surprised.

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Oregon’s defense allowed an average of 22.3 points in those games

Yeah, but you went 0-3

Of course, y’all definitely won the fight after the Boise game.

;-)

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

very true

My point was that a lot of people seem to be writing off oregon’s defense for this game and in our last three big match ups the defense has shown up.

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly a very big fan of Nick Allioti

But you do have to admit, your best defender’s on the sidelines, and on paper, the line of scrimmage is the one matchup the favors LSU here.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Clay will be the best player on our defense.

Harris has the knack for the big play but Clay will be highly productive. Likewise, cornerback is a very strong spot for us. We have two upperclassmen in Gildon and Grady that have played a lot of meaningful snaps. However, I think the two redshirt freshmen will give them a run for their money in fall camp.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Aug 2, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is very true

but it may not be controlling.

Our two deep O-line averages 23 more lbs than your Defensive line, per player (292 against 269)

But your O-line averages 31 or even 38 more lbs than our defensive line (303 against 272 or 265: the two numbers are given because Oregon’s weak side DE is a hybrid linebacker in a kind of Frankenstein 34/43 base.

So you have a weight advantage in the trenches. The reason this might not be controlling is that we constantly run rough-shot over Zona, USC, and recently Tennessee teams which have similar if not great sizer advantages. The true test is not in size, but in discipline, as both Cal and Auburn showed last year. With a true freshman at DT for LSU, and an Oregon spread that runs a zone-read off the DT, we simply will not know until game day.

Simply put: If your guys are out of position their size will work against them.

(data from Rivals.com depth chart)

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that depth chart's not listing accurate weights on LSU's d-line at all

And while it may not be THE difference, it’s still a mismatch. The Ducks still have a clear edge in the offensive backfield right now, but the line of scrimmage belongs to LSU.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny you say that

Because the weights are exactly the same as on LSUsports.net, that makes for quite the conspiracy lol.

Unless you are saying they will be bigger after fall camp and that’s fine, but everybody’s lines continue to work through the summer.

Or should I just assume your entire line goes 400lbs and runs a 4.6 flat because LSU is your favorite team?

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I added up the weights of the starting lineup in the 2011 Media Guide

And it was over 269. So sorry. And yeah, that might not be accurate. It might be more, or it might be less. There are some reserves that are on the heavier side that could push for starting jobs, and there are some players who may weigh in heavier by the report date.

You’re the one who came here bragging about "great defensive performances" in three games you lost (two of which were in humiliating fashion I might add). Don’t make us out to be the homers here, we’ve given you guys plenty of respect on offense. You’ve earned it with Oregon’s track record. And LSU’s earned it with earned along the defensive line with their track record.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’m looking over my posts and I don’t see where I wrote “great defensive performances” anywhere… what an odd little quote you have manufactured.

You also reference your “reserves” to cast doubt on my figures when I clearly said they concerned the two deep as it stands today (which is the most accurate account we have). I am looking at said “reserves” right now and in most cases they are smaller.

Humiliating fashion? It’s funny you claim two of them were such without giving any further details. I suppose BSU is was that, although losing by 11 points to a ranked team during an away game is rarely something to be humiliated about. The post game stuff, certainly, the game itself? Maybe. Moreover, I was not trying to say we played well as a team, in fact I made no statement of that sort what-so-ever (more manufactured words on your part). What I said was that our defense showed up and the numbers prove it.

Ohio St. was a 9 point loss, not sure where the humiliation was for that one. And Auburn? We scored more points against them, and allowed fewer, than LSU. If you call our Natty performance humiliating, where does that leave LSU?

I don’t need to call you a homer, your words are a better illustration of that than anything I could write here will ever be. You put words in my mouth and intentionally take the things I have written out of context, while arguing hypotheticals and referencing unpublished data to defend your beloved team.

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're in SEC country

Losing to Ohio State in a bowl game is always humiliating.

So maybe I shouldn’t have used quotes in my remark. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re clearly proud of losses in which your defense allowed 164, 153 and 254 rushing yards yards respectively. You just go ahead with that and call US homers, man.

As for the defensive line weights, why don’t you educate yourself here, then do some math. LSu was just under that threshold last year and had a pretty good run defense. And depending on how players report or the depth chart shakes out this year, we’ll probably be over that mark.

Excuse us for thinking for a second that a school that’s produced 6 All-Americans, 17 all-conference picks and 15 NFL draft choices in the last decade just might have a slight edge in the trenches in this game.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 3, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Ohio St. Comment

All I can say about the Rose Bowl is this: we were the best amateur team on the field that day.

I know I am in SEC country (by the way you should have typed “boi” at the end of that sentence to complete that cliche) , and as such I am sure a Sugar Bowl loss to a non-AQ Utah team would be even more humiliating would it not? I thought you SEC boys were above losing to teams like that.

Or I could talk about how Oregon St., our “little brother,” had to miss three PAT’s for your Tigers to squeeze out an overtime victory at home. Don’t get into embarrassment, there is plenty to go around in college football.

But getting off track is your MO, I prefer to remain on course in our little debate about the lines.

Suffice to say, the link you provided is like comparing apples and oranges. I provided the average size of the two deep on the lines, this article talks about the entire front seven so its not the same thing. They also don’t link their sources, not that I think they are lying. I did the math using similar averaging from your athletic website and the difference is roughly 10 lbs per player.

That said, what you are failing to see is that there was never a disagreement about your line being bigger to begin with. My original counter point was that it was discipline, not size alone, which would determine the war in the trenches.

While LSU will certainly, as I have said several times, be bigger in the trenches it might not be controlling.

Consider if you will that last year Stanford, who lost only to Oregon and went on to win a BCS bowl, had a 42 lb size advantage as well. Yet their defense faltered in the second half and we scored 28 unanswered points. USC, Tennesse, and Arizona all had similar advantages.

That makes Oregon 3-1 against bigger lines last year, the sole loss coming against Auburn. Thus, size alone is not controlling.

We basically agree on the size thing, I’m not sure exactly what point of mine you are trying to disprove. Are you saying you will not have a freshman at DT? It seems like that has kinda been a lock since singing day.

by Cpassmore on Aug 3, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

First off

The Ohio State crack was a joke, mostly aimed at Ohio State. Yes, we considered Alabama’s Sugar Bowl loss to Utah very embarrassing, and we made quite a few jokes at their expense. And you still fail to notice that your best Pac 10/LSU smack still involves a game LSU won 6 seasons ago.

At no point did we write off Oregon’s defense. We suggested we might have an edge in the defensive line department, where LSU returns quite a lot of experience despite replacing two starters. Above, myself and other writers here mention several times that such an advantage still might not be enough to win the game. Oregon’s backfield is that much better than LSU as of today that could easily negate the advantage up front.

You, for some reason, came in with both your fail-barrells a’blazing, trying to defend some sort of imagined besmirching of your defense based on size, and accused homers in the process. You seem to think you’re on Tiger Rant. You’re not.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 3, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

First off...

“At no point did we write off Oregon’s defense” -Billy Gomila

That’s interesting…

“I would not be surprised if he (JJ) came out firing against Oregon.” -Paul

“The more I watch those Cotton Bowl highlights again, the more I think we’ll see something very similar in LSU’s second trip to the Jerra-Dome.” -BIlly

“With Oregon losing Cliff Harris and not exactly being a defensive powerhouse in the first place, I’m actually a lot more interested in watching our D match up with their O. I think we’ll score points successfully.” -Paul

(In response to "That new D-Line for Oregon just screams “The Spencer Ware Show” doesn’t it?")

“I agree with your leading question” -Poseur

To all that I replied “Oregon’s defense will show up” and explained it in finite statistical terms of defensive performance as it pertains to final score. And you have been on me ever sense.

“You seem to think you’re on Tiger Rant. You’re not.” -Billy Gomila

Pardon much? I was giving statistical data, & historical context while listing sources. To which you replied by saying “You’re in SEC country (boi),” fabricating quotations, and comparing things out of context. One of these is responsible, one of these is rantish, and I don’t expect an amateur journalist from the deep south to understand the difference.

If I cared to rant, I would say your team is led by illiterate country boys…

Who remember all their highlights while forgetting their embarrassments

(btw, didn’t we kill that team on the road? Nice home win bubba)

Who belongs to a conference with non-aq academic admission standards…

now that is a rant.

All the best, see you in Dallas! :-)

  

by Cpassmore on Aug 3, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

apparently I can’t post links here.

Missing are a youtube video of Miles saying “I don’t read books”

A youtube recap of that laughable win over Tenn from last year

And a news article on the SEC lowering its academic standards in efforts to keep teams like South Florida from competing.

by Cpassmore on Aug 3, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You keep taking this to another level

And it’s getting sad. Did you even read the post?

"The more I watch those Cotton Bowl highlights again, the more I think we’ll see something very similar in LSU’s second trip to the Jerra-Dome." -BIlly

I’m referring to LSU’s gameplan from the Cotton Bowl. I think that’s what LSU’s gameplan is going up against just about everybody this year, whether it’s Oregon, Alabama or Northwestern State. Not only is that not a slight on the Oregon defense, the remark wasn’t even directed at them.

Per your second point — we think you have a new defensive line and we have a 225 pound running back we happen to be REALLY excited about. If discussing the plays and players that we think give LSU the best shot at winning is an insult, that doesn’t make us homers. That makes you thin-skinned.

To the third one. Aw, the glorious, glorious third one.

"You seem to think you’re on Tiger Rant. You’re not." -Billy Gomila

First off, I made a good-natured crack at Ohio State, that seems to really bother you (again with the thin skin). You then bring up this imagined “boi” word, which, and insult the “deep south?” Absolutely nobody insulted you, Oregon or OTHERWISE, until failed to add up a basic average of the LSU defensive line’s weight (again, using dubious sources at BEST). I responded wtih this:

Yeah that depth chart’s not listing accurate weights on LSU’s d-line at all
And while it may not be THE difference, it’s still a mismatch. The Ducks still have a clear edge in the offensive backfield right now, but the line of scrimmage belongs to LSU.

you responded with this gem:

Or should I just assume your entire line goes 400lbs and runs a 4.6 flat because LSU is your favorite team?

You were the first to condescend, you were the first to insult. So yeah, you’re acting like the basic message board idiot. We don’t tolerate message board flaming here. You should learn from your fellow ducks in this thread., who have managed to contribute in intelligent and polite manner.

And fuck off, hippy.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 3, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

sigh, lame

Miles graduated from Michigan (Big 10 awesome school as the Big 10 people love to say)—not a great public speaker, but has cracked a few books open.

If you want something laugable about UT-LSU this is all you needed to post, UT fail:

It is always lame when people begin to talk about academics in the middle of a football converation especially since UO is ranked #111 in the usnawr top college rankings (you know that thing that pac 12 and big 12 types jizz over every year they come out; this would make more sense coming from someone from SC (23), UCLA (20something) or Stanford (top ten). Maybe UO should join the SEC West along with TAMU.

"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."

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by mjtig on Aug 3, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

*big 10, see how smart they are, they cannot count—had 11 schools for the longest time also and now they have 12.

"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."

From the movie--The Hustler

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Aug 3, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

*laughable about UT-LSU this is all….

"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."

From the movie--The Hustler

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Aug 3, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes the loss to Utah in the Sugar Bowl was embarrassing...

and Bama fans were constantly ribbed about it by our SEC brethren, but I honestly feel without the whole Andre Smith agent fiasco the week before the game (which got him suspended and was a major distraction) we win that game going away. For a power running team, losing the top OT in football the week before a game amid major controversy is something that would have affected most teams on the field performance.

"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."

by figtide on Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I also believe that LSU will control the line of scrimmage.

I think the key aspect of this game is how well disciplined the LSU defensive backfield plays against the spread. If they can stick to their assignments and not give up the easy scores, I think LSU probably wins due to the fact that they can keep using their power running game and wear Oregon’s defensive line down.

If they can’t and have to play catch up, it could be a long day for the LSU QB.

"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."

by figtide on Aug 4, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Size is not all that matters, to be sure

but Zona and Tennessee don’t have the kind of talent on the defensive line that we do, regardless of whether the sizes are comparable or not.

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops...depending on the breaks." - Buck Turgidson

by Yail Bloor on Aug 3, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

All of our linemen run a 4.3 forty.

Hand timed, of course.
In pads it’s more like 4.35.

by uberschuck on Aug 3, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

UO O-line

I’d be hesitant to draw conclusions from last year’s o-line. Uo loses three starters from last year’s unit, including their center, who is incredibly important in their zone read offense. Were I an Oregon fan, the offensive line would be my biggest concern, and by a fairly wide margin. UO also lost a lot in their defensive front seven.

LSU returns four o-line starters plus Faulk. We also do have some signifigant losses in the middle of the defense, but getting Sam Montgomery back from injury will be a huge bonus. And our DE rotation is outstanding.

I don’t see how anyone can look at the matchup of the lines and conclude UO has the edge there. It’s like concluding LSU has the edge at the QB position. Obviously, no unit stinks — these are two great trams ranked in the top ten — but relative strengths for LSU are the lines and the secondary and UO’s rleative advantages are the glamor positions, particularly the backfield. And frankly, I could care less what people weigh, so I’ll avoid that argument entirely.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Aug 3, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

The last question makes this column. Offensive as some would find it, I would LMAO if Casey Anthony was used as a picture.

I would add as my sign: Casey Anthony, The Most Interesting Man In The World, a fresco of Peter’s upside down crucifixion & the cover to High On Fire’s Snakes For The Divine. The latter b/c you can never have too many hot, buxom fantasy chicks with snakes writhing around their bodies…

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 2, 2011 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I love the Casey Anthony idea, too.

I checked out the Snakes for the Devine. Wow! that’s one heavy song.

by Gas_House_Gorillas on Aug 3, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Snakes For The Divine.

I like the metal. :) \m/

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 4, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

My posterboard

A man on safari holding a dead tiger, Chuck Norris’ head super imposed onto Roboducks body, something with Amanda Pflugrad, and a shot of Blount knocking out Hout from the BSU game.

Can’t wait for college football!

by Cpassmore on Aug 2, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Cpassmore talks real big for a fan of a team that hasn’t accomplished sh!t as of yet.

by Son Of Nun on Aug 3, 2011 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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