Training Camp Preview Roundtable: Running Backs
Ah...training camp.
Actually, training camp kind of sucks for actual football players, but the upside is it means the season's getting close. Which means it's time for some positional previews for the Tigers. We got the band back together for a series of roundtables where we talk about what we like, what we love, and what we're worried about for the 2011 season.
Projected Depth Chart:
Running Back:11 Sophomore Spencer Ware - 5'11, 223
42 Sophomore Michael Ford - 5'10, 215
4 Sophomore Alfred Blue - 6'2, 215
27 Freshman Kenny Hilliard - 5'11, 240 (may also see snaps at fullback)
3 Freshman Jakhari Gore - 5'9, 166Fullback:
44 Sophomore J.C. Copeland - 6'1, 280
35 Senior James Stampley - 5'10, 239
Billy: So I don't know about you guys, but I'm as excited about LSU's running backs as I've been in a long time. Spencer Ware alone is enough to generate that, but I'm pretty confident in almost the whole depth chart. What say you?
Paul: Frankly, I can't remember the last time LSU didn't have at least a good running back. Scott, Hester, Broussard, Addai, Vincent, Toefield, Davis... I can't think of year where we trotted out someone who was entirely unproductive. Hell, even if he never lived up to his recruiting promise, Keiland Williams showed he was a competent player, at worst.
That being said, I think we're about to see another level from Spencer Ware. I admit, I've been fond of him since I watched his recruiting tape for the first time, but I truly believe this kid is going to be a special player at LSU. I'll even stake my claim now: Heisman Trophy contender special. And this isn't just excitement from the Spring Game or his spectacular performance against Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl. Ware has the physical tools of an elite back. Sure, he's not a burner, but speed is an overrated trait in running backs. Ware is big, he's agile and runs with tremendous burst and power. He's compact and well put together, and has flashed tremendous vision. He's not going to waste time trying to bust every play outside... he's going to get north/south in a hurry and make people on the second level pay for making the decision to attempt to tackle him. But he's nimble as well. He's light on his feet and shifty in the hole. Though Ware likely runs an average 40 time, I'm willing to bet he'll still post a number of big plays based on his vision and ability to get yards after contact.
As for the rest of the depth chart, you have two guys you figure will feature heavily: Michael Ford and Alfred Blue. Blue showed flashes last year, but his weakness in blocking and lack of ball security pushed him to the bench. Ford is a guy who seems to flash big play potential, only to waste time dancing around. Most believed he would become the next great LSU back, but for whatever reason he's yet to seize that potential. The physical tools are there, and he's certainly one of the most Greek God looking figures on our football team. But I don't want Adonis. I want Achilles. Jakhari Gore should see some snaps as well, but it remains to be seen how many. Finally, I expect freshman Terrance Magee to be in the mix as well. Miles routinely speaks glowingly of Magee.
Poseur: I'm not sure I want Achilles either. Achilles was a headcase who sat out because he wasn't getting enough credit. (Yes, ATVS, where we break down classic epic poems as well as football). If I want a character from the Iliad, give me Ajax. Able to take on an entire army by himself, and without the hype, or even a god to support his efforts.
Ajax or Achilles or whoever, I agree that Spencer Ware looks like he is going to be a special player. LSU's had a long ling of productive backs, but we rarely have a great one. Ware is our first real game-changing back since Kevin Faulk. That's not to say guys like Toefield, Addai, and Ridley weren't terrific players, but they lacked that ability to just carry the team. Ware is that kind of player. The kind of guy that when he takes the football, you hold your breath.
That's the importance of hitting the hole. Ware takes the ball and immediately attacks. He's just a spectacular player who will likely be asked to carry the offense. The other backs are all incredibly talented, and I'm confident in all of them to get yards in their designated roles, but Ware is definitely the guy who has established himself as a star. It could have been just one game, but I don't think so. The Warewolf is about to become The Man.
Billy: I'm dangerously close to man-crush with Ware. He gives LSU the power of Ridley, but with a little more burst and athleticism in the open field. And he's shown the ability to be the most complete back LSU has had in some time -- a good receiver out of the backfield and even *gasp!* a legitimate Wildcat quarterback. He has the potential to be the type of back that can explode on 15 carries, but still (no pun intended) wear defenses out with 25 or 30 carries. Ridley did most of his damage as a late-game closer, and I think Ware combines that with the skillset to make big plays early in games as well.
I've already made the Genghis Khan metaphor on Ware if we're going to talk ancient warriors, but I don't think you can go wrong with either Achilles or Ajax either. And if we're going to discuss potential memes I would throw out the Airwolf theme to go with the whole "Warewolf" idea, but I'm a sucker for 80s action shows. Any other ideas?
Paul: The lone question mark would be if Ware did get injured. *knocks on every piece of wood in sight* Does anyone feel comfortable with the backups taking the leading role? I'm not sure I do.
Also something to consider is Shepard (who will hopefully be eligible without concerns) as a runner. He's shown his dynamic playmaking skills far more as a RB than a WR to date.
Billy: I've been a big champion of using Shepard in that duel role, but I think that ship has sailed, aside from a few specific plays. And at this point, I'd rather they just focus on just teaching him one position.
This is kind of like how I feel about the offensive line -- the backups are good at very specific roles, but as soon as we talk about expanding them, I get nervous. If Michael Ford attacked tacklers the way he did the weight room, I'd feel a lot better. But until he does that, he'll still be the Mr. Outside type. I think Blue reminds me of the player Richard Murphy might have become without all the knee injuries -- a potentially dangerous slashing, outside-zone type of back -- but he's not really proven either. Gore's size makes him more of a situational guy, and Hilliard is a freshman that might still wind up as a fullback.
I'm pretty sure LSU could have a passable running game with any of those guys just because of the offensive line, but there are definitely some question marks there. Blue intrigues me, because there's clearly something the coaching staff sees in him. And knowing that he's up to 215 pounds makes me feel a little better about his ability to handle a larger carry load.
Poseur: There have been early raves for Magee out of practice, but I don't trust freshman raves.
We can't lose Ware. Miles could put together a pretty good rotation without Ware, with each back getting 5-10 carries behind an effective o-line, and we'd have a good running game. Not great, but good. Ware is a difference maker and I hate to say we couldn't survive an injury to him, but it would extremely hurt our offense. Ware is that good.
Billy: Clearly we see Ware as a potential Meme Magnet. Nickname ideas?
Poseur: I'm trying out Warewolf but what we really need is the Altered Beast gif. Or Rampage. I ask our readers to dig those up. Because I like the idea of Ware transforming into a monster.
via www.sydlexia.com
Billy: I love me some 80s action television, so the Airwolf theme comes to mind as well. Any other thoughts on theme songs?
Paul: Protect ya Neck by the Wu-Tang Clan.
Poseur: Something fun. Bang Pop by Free Energy.
Billy: My burgeoning man-crush also leads me to the delightfully intense You've Seen the Butcher from the Deftones.
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Not a whole lot of love for Magee.
He is one of my favorites from this class and I think (and hope!) he could be special.
I've been hearing nothing but great things about him so far
I am also very excited to see him in action. He’ll probably redshirt this year, but him and Hilliard could make a dangerous tandem in the future
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Aug 17, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess we kind of got lost in the Ware stuff
But I’m a huge fan of Magee. I bet he actually does play this year, probably before Hilliard even.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 17, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I can definitely see that happening as
Hilliard doesn’t provide a whole lot to us this season. Down the road is a different story. Kenny will be a great runningback once the guys in front of him leave.
I'm starting to think if Hilliard sees the field this year
It’ll be at fullback.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe freshman hype...
…until I see them play. Just a personal rule. Sometimes this means I’m behind the curve, but it also means I’m rarely suckered by hype. I want my first impression to be of my own making, not from press clippings.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
love the homer references
Ajax is my son’s name and I got a big smile on my face reading that.
That aside, I’m afraid we have too many quality running backs (is that a bad thing?) So no one will stand out, the typical problem at LSU. I still think with this corps, Jefferswag and RS10 rushing I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to top 2000 team rushing yards by the bowl game
by ORtigerfan on Aug 17, 2011 7:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously
Ajax was a badass. Everyone else needed a god to protect them, but Ajax was on his own, and still kicked ass. I would totally take him over Achilles. Hell, I might take Hektor over Achilles, just for total value, though Achilles clearly has peak value over him.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
The only thing for certain...
Is that Spencer Ware is some kind of god-like killing machine.
Eye right blahgs.
Warewolf is too literal.
After this whole initial post plus comments…Kratos is sort of awesome in a a subtle kind of way. If Kratos can be described as subtle…
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
Altered Beast?
I love that gif.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
Perfect for game threads
After Ware makes a great play.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 18, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
other than
The whole suicide thing, I think he’s the greatest of the Iliad’s Greek heroes, which is why I pushed for a first and middle name I could shorten to Ajax since is mama wouldn’t let me pick Ajax on its own
by ORtigerfan on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now I want to read The Iliad again.
by Gas_House_Gorillas on Aug 18, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This post is full of win for the Iliad references
and ajax was always my favorite character.
Spencer Ware is a special player.
I've never known how to pronounce it.
Eye-ax or ay-jax?
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dr. Hardy always said ay-jax in western civ in the honors college
I assume he’s right…
Jim Hardy the man the legend
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
outta nowhere with a Jim Hardy reference!
whoa. “warm up on your own time”
by haveagreatday on Aug 25, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
"Eye-ax"
Is how you pronounce the Dutch soccer club from Amsterdam named Ajax (which is also named after the mythological Ajax). But it’s pronounced that way in Dutch not in Greek.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 18, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Achilles was more pissed about Agememnon
stealing his hard won trim away from him than anything else. I think the most underrated guy is Diomedes, who probably kills more people than anybody else in the whole story other than Achilles. He beats down Aeneas and stabs Aphrodite and Ares, even though he was specifically told not to. It’s funny that this came up, because I just read this about 3 weeks ago. Achilles is the baddest of the bad, but that’s not a great nickname because it implies a fatal flaw – which we definitely need to avoid. I’d hate to see somebody get that nickname and have injury problems.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
As far as nicknames
After seeing Ware in that interview, I definitely have to go with Genghis Khan.
Genghis Khan and Warewolf are both awesome.
But I’m kinda liking the whole airwolf thing too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr_CJL1YQRc
Billy, they have Airwolf on Netflix instant streaming by the way…
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
Interesting
I used to get spam with the author as “Michael Vincent.” My first thought was “Stringfellow Hawk wants me to come co-pilot Airwolf? FUCKIN’ RIGHT!”
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 18, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL!!
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 18, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Airwolf
He’s a running back. Helicopters fly. I mean… duh! If Ware was a QB or a WR, I’d see the Airwolf thing, but not for a running back.
Unless Ware learns how to fly, which I have not ruled out.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
Unless Ware learns how to fly, which I have not ruled out.
Please post a pic of your face when Ware runs up to the line where his hole just got stuffed, has nowhere to go and says “screw it” and fly’s to the endzone. Just like Airwolf.
Although…Billy, maybe we should reserve Airwolf for Mettenberger…I mean dude was lookin’ like a wolf at one point to with his beard…And his balls fly through the air. Footballs.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
Mett's gotta grow the hair back
Hopefully Ware’s play will help the meme come to mind on its own, kind of like how the whole Zod thing started last year.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 18, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They may be a lot of KAHHHN!!!!!
and or some picture of Captain Kirk in the comments when he hopefully scores all those TD’s
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 1:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
From the moment I read about Ware when...
he signed w LSU—still weird that a guy from Ohio came here with OSU usually locking down the best players—I thought he had the chance to be Hester like because of his size and versatility. Hope he can be that go to guy and get those tough yards with that north south no nonsense style. With the line experienced and depth at rb, we should be able to pound it on anyone.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 18, 2011 9:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would like to see
one of the guys other than Ware really focus on the passing game. All these guys can definitely run the ball, but we need someone who can be a third down back. That would be a great way for them to cement some playing time as the main guy other than Ware (assuming he’s locked down the primary back role). The pros love that shit, too. Addai’s proficiency in the passing game is probably what got him drafted in the first round.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
by Yail Bloor on Aug 18, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ware probably had the best hands on the team last year.
He repeatedly made great catches out of the backfield.
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