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Weekend at Shady's

Photo via Carter Bryant, Sports Director for KLSU,  who's interview with T-Bob Hebert last wednesday night is eerily foreshadowing.

 

You were expecting a Link Gumbo this morning? The saga of The First Great Shady's Fisticuffs Caper of 2011 has taken some wild turns over the last few days and now that it appears we may have a slight break in developments, I think it's time we get everybody on the same page and update those who've missed out. 

Before we begin, you'll notice that many of the links below go to work by Randy Rosetta on either TigerSportsDigest.com or his twitter feed. For many of the odd turns in this story, like the erroneous SportsNola report about Jefferson and other's being arrested, Rosetta has been the first one to call the BRPD and the attorneys to get official clarification. We dog certain reporters that we don't like around here often, so it's important that we also recognize great work when we see it. 

 

What We Know

Thursday night, after the end of the 2nd full scrimmage of the fall, all LSU football players were accounted for in their rooms at a 10:30pm curfew. With the next day scheduled off, a large group of players decided to break curfew and some of them went to Shady's, a bar on East Boyd, just south of campus. Sometime in the early hours Friday, a driver who was trying to leave the parking lot honked his horn at a crowd of people in his way. At this point a fight broke out in the parking lot, leaving 4 victims. While EMS on the scene did look at their injuries, all 4 opted to transport themselves to nearby hospitals for treatment and they were all out of hospital later that day, though two of them are "still seeking medical attention." BRPD has confirmed that witnesses have told them that one of the victims was kicked in the head, but they have not yet determined if that actually happened. No video footage of the incident has surfaced yet.

Jordan Jefferson was first named a person of interest in the investigation on Friday. On Saturday, Les Miles held a brief press conference and said that the team as a whole had and would be disciplined for breaking curfew, and that while no suspensions had been given, he was waiting for BRPD's investigation to finish before moving forward. Late Saturday, BRPD contacted Jefferson, OL Chris Davenport, WR Jarvis Landry, and LB Josh Johns and asked them to come in on Monday for interviews. On Sunday morning, the 4 players retained the services of attorney Nathan Fisher, last seen representing Ryan Perrilloux during the Federal counterfeiting investigation in early 2007, and notified the BRPD that they would not be coming in for the interviews on Monday. BRPD says they rescheduled for Tuesday, but Fisher could not confirm this as of Sunday afternoon. The 4 victims have also retained an attorney, Michael Bienvenu, who told reporters that his clients intend to press charges. 

 

What Is Rumored

WAFB, the Baton Rouge area CBS, reported accounts from "people who claim to have witnessed the incident" that the driver of the truck was pulled from his vehicle and that a separate victim who was kicked in the head was a Marine and the kicker was Jordan Jefferson. As of late Sunday, BRPD would not confirm any of this, other than that they had been told someone had been kicked in the head. None of the victims have been identified publicly. 

Star-divide

While none of the players have commented, Jefferson's father John has told multiple reporters that his son was not involved in the incident and want's his name to be cleared. From the Times-Pic

Jefferson's father, John Jefferson, said his son told him he left before the fight started and is upset at the perception he was involved. He said Jordan Jefferson told him several teammates have vouched for his innocence, unsolicited, to Miles. He said Jefferson was in his apartment when teammates called and asked him to join a group of players who had gone out.

"Jordan said he went over there for about 30 minutes in his jeans and slippers," John Jefferson said. "He said he saw an altercation about to happen and told the guys with him 'Let's roll.'

"I'm a little ticked at him that he went at all. He's the face of the team. All the coaches are saying the players who were there are coming to them and saying 'Jordan didn't even throw a punch,' and at one point Jordan was saying 'Y'all chill out,' and then he rolled out. He didn't want to have anything to do with it."

 

The father of OL T-Bob Hebert, Saint's Pro Bowl QB and radio host Bobby Hebert also released a comment defending his son on twitter.

Majority of the team skipped curfew and should be disciplined, but T-Bob had nothing to do with the fight and shouldn't be singled out..BS!

 

 

For now, it seems we are in a holding pattern. The BRPD seems fine with waiting to interview the 4 players on Tuesday, though that may change if new evidence surfaces. While the victims' attorney could file charges tomorrow, it's unknown at this point what their plans are.

The team meanwhile continues to practice as it has the last few days, probably a little worse for the wear. Strength coach Tommy Moffitt is the kind of guy who dreams of wind sprints in his sleep, and is no doubt relishing the next few weeks of extra "conditioning" the team will be doing. Other matters, like the ongoing worries about Russell Shepard's status for the first game and whether Mickey Johnson is ever going to get out of the NCAA clearing house will also continue to distract from preparations for Oregon, which becomes the main focus of practice from here on out.

I was going to end there, but I realize that last paragraph seems a little flippant in regard to the situation. Make no mistake, if Jefferson or any other player did in fact do what is being claimed, they should be suspended immediately and should not play against Oregon, maybe even longer. However, Miles and LSU are right to wait on doling out suspensions until more is known. 

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At this point...

the only thing we know for sure is that a sizable group of players broke curfew. People who are coming down on Miles and the players possibly involved clearly have agendas or are just reactionary.

Miles has a right to be ticked but I don’t see why people have a problem with him waiting to discipline since we nothing for sure at this point other than a team rule was broken. It seems reasonable to wait until we know for sure what happened before we start adorning the castle walls with heads on pikes.

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 22, 2011 2:16 AM CDT reply actions  

"Shady's"

That name is too perfect. Sounds like it should be that Ohio State guy’s tattoo parlor.

I saw a couple trolls have been dropping by the blog here, but (even though it slightly pains me to admit it as an Oregon State fan) they don’t represent the majority of Oregon fans. The Ducks have been having bandwagon issues since they got in the national spotlight the last couple of years, and it irritates the true fans quite a bit.

Anyway, interested in the big game! Nice to see top teams putting it on the line instead of scheduling nothing but OoC cupcakes.

by scotty256 on Aug 22, 2011 3:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I figured as much
I saw a couple trolls have been dropping by the blog here, but (even though it slightly pains me to admit it as an Oregon State fan) they don’t represent the majority of Oregon fans. The Ducks have been having bandwagon issues since they got in the national spotlight the last couple of years, and it irritates the true fans quite a bit.

I’ve always thought highly of Duck fans (no offense), and I know that many of the idiots that have been posting on ATVS don’t represent what I have known of Duck fans on EDSBS.

Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!

by Gregatron on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of who was involved...

Who gets in a fight over someone honking at you in a parking lot?

by TheOtherAndrew on Aug 22, 2011 3:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Drunk People

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by PodKATT on Aug 22, 2011 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still feel like there is more to it than a horn honk

maybe some spitting or other provoking things went down.

by nasa1225 on Aug 22, 2011 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was my first thought too. Someone going that crazy over a horn doesn’t seem right to me.

by TheOtherAndrew on Aug 22, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rumors say racial slurs were hurled

Take it for it’s worth from the rumor mill

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 22, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

incidents like this give more power to the statement

“nothing good happens after midnight”

As PodKATT says, drunk people or people looking for trouble get in fights like this. There’s a reason stuff like this doesn’t happen after church or after your huge MWF chemistry lecture outside of WIlliams. It’s just a bad situation for anyone to put themselves in. And that’s why there’s a curfew.

And right now, without some hard evidence, there’s no telling what led to this. Honking. Trash Talking. Insults. Shoulder checking. No one does and probably ever will.

by LSUJOSHUA on Aug 22, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

"nothing good happens after midnight"

I don’t know, I remember some pretty good things happening after midnight in college…

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

"Oh Shit" -The SEC

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

just from past experiences

Drunk people driving through crowds tend to get aggressive with thier vehicles. If the driver threatented to run some players over or actually insuated this with his driving I could see the players “dragging” him out of his truck.

by cbkao on Aug 22, 2011 8:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"JORDAN didn't even throw a punch"

It sounds good for Jefferson, and fits the profile we know of him, but the wording of this makes it seems like there are definitely players on the team who DID throw punches, and they’ll probably pay for it in a big way.

by Squash on Aug 22, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

it would be better if they confirmed he "didn't even land a kick"!

But, if LSU has 20 guys saying one got jumped, or bumped with a deadly vehicle, and the other has 2 or 10 saying LSU just went ape crap and started beating bystanders, the police don’t have a lot to go on. No one died, no one was severely injured. BR has real crimes to solve. Just because you get your ass kicked does not mean the other guy started it.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Aug 22, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

BR has real crimes to solve

like assault and battery!

wait, nevermind

"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant

by GeauxCrimson on Aug 23, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I guess they don't have bar fights in O'Bama.

O’Bama fans just shoot their kids b/c the Tide lost. What was your point again? Oh yes, we must treat opposing athletes different than the general student population. BRPD does not charge every student who gets in a fight with second degree battery. And normally, those “injured” don’t hire attorneys before any suspects have even been charged. This looks more like BS every day.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Aug 23, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must have missed the "Geaux" at the beginning of my name

Surely you don’t think there’s a whole lot of Bama fans around here with Geaux spelled that way? I live in BR man, born and raised here. I’ve spent many a night at the bars in that area (and even more in Pluckers but that’s a completely different subject). Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t call myself an LSU football fan, but I don’t wish anything ill upon them.

All I was saying is that there was a very real crime committed that night, and BRPD is very responsibly doing their job to investigate it. Not every bar fight deserves an investigation, but not every bar fight results in people going to the hospital and cracked vertebrate (vertebrae?).

People who are injured at the hands of others most certainly do hire lawyers everyday. Especially when trips to the hospital are involved. It’s what makes our legal system go round and round these days. I would venture to guess legal counsel was sought so early into this due to the extreme possibility of this being “swept under the rug.”

I don’t think any of this is BS. I’m sure the fight was provoked and not nearly as uncalled-for as the “victims” are making it out to be. I doubt there’s enough evidence to prove who was and was not involved. My biggest concern is that JJ and company should not have been in the situation in the first place. Had they been where they were supposed to be that night, there wouldn’t even be a possibility of them getting mentioned here. Or are you under the impression a group of local kids (most likely LSU fans at that) saw JJ at the bar, conspired right there to pick a fight, get beaten to a pulp and make a trip to the hospital, all in the name of framing JJ? Or are you saying some Marine, fresh out of boot camp, got his ass whipped and in a desperate attempt to point out just how bad a Marine fresh out of boot camp got his ass kicked, decided to make it all up for media attention to prove just how bad a Marine fresh out of boot camp can get his ass kicked?

"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant

by GeauxCrimson on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The players were out because of a decades-old

Tradition of breaking curfew on the last night of camp.

As for the rest, the details are still being revealed. You would be wise to let that happpen.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 24, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

as was my point

I was simply stating that this situation does indeed fall under the “BR has real crimes to solve” category, as there was in fact a real crime committed.

"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant

by GeauxCrimson on Aug 24, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. I'm saying

that a man fresh out of boot camp, who allegedly was stalking his Ex, could very possibly have started a fight and lost. Not a complicated theory really.

Oh, and I checked. You are from O’Bama. Sorry to break it to you.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Aug 25, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its also been reported

That the mass curfew-breaking is a yearly team tradition on the last night of training camp.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 22, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

And the coaching staff just gave a collective...

WHAT THE!!!!!!!!!!!

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

"Oh Shit" -The SEC

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL Is anybody really surprised by that?

I wasn’t. Sounds like something football players do. If anybody’s read John Ed Bradley’s “It Never Rains in Tiger Stadium,” he talks about a group of them busting out, driving a truck onto the middle of the practice field and drinking beer on the tailgate.

(it also happens to be a fantastic read)

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Aug 22, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

its on my Amazon wish list...

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

"Oh Shit" -The SEC

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

That may have been my pregame reading material in the Autzen Student section for several weeks…

Geaux Tigers! Go Ducks! (No, I don't care.) Go Braves, and most of all WHO DAT!

by AllSaintsDay on Aug 22, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are more than a few people who are questioning the actions of the BRPD

They question why it is called an “interview” and not an interrogation. Why does it take until Tuesday to get statements from people involved in possible felonies? They state that John Q. Public would not be afforded that opportunity. I’m not an attorney. However, I tend to believe that everything is on the up-and-up. I know that Richard, as well as a number of other contributers/commenters, is an attorney. What are your thoughts?

Kicking somebody in the head is serious business. There better be a good explanation for that, allegedly.

by Gas_House_Gorillas on Aug 22, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

John Q. Public is absolutely afforded the same treatment.

You – I mean you literally – have no obligation to talk to the police, and the police can’t charge you with a crime because your attorney said not to give them evidence against you – i.e., that you were there, that someone threw a punch, etc.

Fights at bars happen. And an elite team is unlikely to turn and run when one of them gets into something – which is why curfew exists. 20+ football plays stand out like…well, men among boys at a college bar. The other half of this story had to know they were playing with fire – as fresh boot camp graduates are happy to do. The “victims” already stated desire to sue is stronger evidence than any other of the personalities involved. Most marines would prefer to where a bra to the game than tell the world they got their ass handed to them by a bunch of boys with no hand-to-hand combat experience.

I smell a terd, but can’t determine the source yet. But that T-Bob, wow, the balls on that kid. Interviews all summary about learning from mistakes, and then … ah, screw it, lets go to a bar after curfew and see what happens. No chance the coach does not find out that 7000 lbs of muscle hit the bar scene. LSU is actually a small city, info travels fast.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Aug 22, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

WHO IS THEY?

Any citizen of the United States is afforded the protection against self-incrimination by the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution made applicable to the states through incorporation by the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, no U.S citizen has to speak to the police about anything unless he/she is given immunity from prosecution. This immunity does away with the need for protection and thus the person can be forced to speak or spend time in jail until he/she agrees to speak.

I think that is a fairly clear explanation of what is happening right now with the players. And, unless one or more of them are given immunity, they never have to speak to the police, testify before a grand jury or testify in a court of law. Mr. Fisher has done exactly what he should be doing to protect the rights of the players.

by Caliguy55 on Aug 22, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, But

your 5th amendment rights only protect you from incrimination yourself. If you were thought to witness a felony, they have a right to gather a deposition. You are not protected from incriminating someone else.

Furthermore once charges are pressed, the DA is obligated to follow through with an investigation.

Said in another way, they cant ask you, “did you kick his head?”. But they can force you to answer, “Did he kick his head?” And if you are found to lie you can be charged with Perjury.

by DuckAndRun on Aug 22, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

in this situation

incriminating another, would also be incriminating yourself. would it not?

by nasa1225 on Aug 22, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

just depends

if by incriminating the other person, would lead to your own incrimination, then that is true.

In this case there was presumably a few dozen involved. I doubt all 20 football players were beating on the guy. If true, there were witnesses that were not committing the crime. Therefore they can be forced to give testimony. So anyone who was identified, not committing a crime, can be forced to testify against anyone else.

By taking the 5th amendment, you are saying I was commintting this crime or some other crime, when i witnesses this, so I dont have to testify.

As a citizen you have an obligation to bear witness to a crime if you are asked. ( Assuming you were not doing anything illegal). i am sure atleast a few of the teammates fall under that category. They just need to be identified.

by DuckAndRun on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is an incredibly unlikely scenario. You are only compelled to talk if you are summoned into court. You don’t have to say anything to the police, or the prosecutors before the case. With other witnesses there, the likelihood of other teammates being compelled to speak is essentially nil.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Aug 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

unlikely perhaps

What a teammate provides better than anyone else is 100% identification of who really did the “kicking”. If it goes to court that would be up to the DA to decide whom to call up. If it was me I would want to here what the other players have to say under oath. They know!

by DuckAndRun on Aug 22, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

What would they say under oath? “I didn’t see anything.” “I don’t know.” “I don’t remember.”

This really isn’t nearly as big as you think it is.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Aug 22, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Court

The Fifth Amendment protects a citizen from giving testimony IN COURT, if it might incriminate the citizen and the citizen has not been given immunity from prosecution. There is no “in court” exception to the Fifth Amendment.

by Caliguy55 on Aug 22, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

ANSWER

And, if you answer the questions by stating something only you could possibly know: “I didn’t see anything, it was dark”; or, “No one I know did anything wrong”; or, “I was drinking and can’t recall what happened”, who can possibly contradict your answers? Right, absolutely nobody. At that point, perjury flies out the window because of a lack of any evidence of false testimony given under oath.

by Caliguy55 on Aug 22, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolute Discretion

A District Attorney in Louisiana has absolute discretion as to whether or not he will prosecute someone for a crime. No one, and I mean no one, can force a D.A. to prosecute anyone for any crime.

by Caliguy55 on Aug 22, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is exactly right.

DuckandRun is also 100% assbackwards on his understanding of the 5th Amendment.

Don't Panic.

by 4.0 Point Stance on Aug 23, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope this is all smoke and mirrors

I want to watch some football, the best possible football. This game already has one starting CB out, possibly a WR and a MLB.

Good luck on Sept. 3rd and feel free to ignore the Duck trolls if any. We know what its like to see players convicted of dastardly deeds long before facts are actually known.

8/17/2011, a day that shall live on inside every dream of triumph.

by Quack Patty on Aug 22, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

We all have our idiots in the fanbase.

Most of us know they represent Duck fans as a whole. Most of them, as scotty pointed out, are probably bandwagon fans.

Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!

by Gregatron on Aug 22, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'M WITH YOU

I’m with you Quack Patty!

by Caliguy55 on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defending Duck fans

I’ve rather enjoyed our Duck visitors, as a group. We’ve had a few morons, but as a group, the Duck fans have been great to have around. And Addicted to Quack is a great, informative blog.

I’m really looking forward to a great tailgate and even better game

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Aug 22, 2011 1:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Duck fan here

We all have some bad apples but I think I speak for all quality Duck fans when I say I hope your QB can play, I want this match-up to be the best.

I’m excited to say I’m about to make my first ever trip to the State of Texas. My friends and I will be in Dallas for the Oregon/LSU game and will be in the area for the whole weekend.

There are about 10 of us, we’re all in our late 20’s, and for most of us this will be coming from California and Oregon for our first times ever to Texas. We’re staying at the Stonesleigh as it’s supposed to be surrounded by really cool bars etc.

We’ll be busy with the game all day Saturday, but that leaves Friday night, Saturday night, and all of Sunday to check out Dallas. Does anyone here have any ideas on cool stuff to do while in Dallas?

We saw there is a Margarita Festival but don’t know anything about it beyond its website.

Thanks in advance, can’t wait for the game!!

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Aug 22, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lucky for you, I live in Dallas

You’re staying in a nice hotel and there’s a good patio across the street at the Stoneleigh P. You’re in Uptown, full of great bars within walking distance.

The Gingerman has a huge beer menu and a great patio. The Idle Rich is a good hangout. Jakes is a good burger joint and local hangout. Really, just hang a left on McKinney and whatever bar you stumble into should be pretty good.

My biggest advice is leave early for the game and cab it if you can. Parking is outrageous and still a long walk. Arlington traffic is awful and stadium security is tight, so it can take up to an hour to get in the stadium. Cabs are expensive but worth it for door to door service and no DUI arrests.

Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur

by Poseur on Aug 22, 2011 2:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you very much!

Since there’s 10 of us we rented a Limo so it should be perfect

...GO DOUG...

by Your Favorite Team's Favorite Team on Aug 22, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

representing with class...

i love it. wish i could be there. good luck lsu, and GO DUCKS!

by Quacker Backer on Aug 23, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mistaken identity?

Looking at the LSU bio pictures, Jordan & Jarvis could look very similar at 2am. And kicking someone in the head just doesn’t sound like JJ. An incoming freshman doing it sounds more plausible, not saying Jarvis is guilty. But with alcohol + darkness@2am, I could see where “witnesses” could mistake the two.

by Son Of Nun on Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Haven't seen the pics, but ...

JJ is like 5 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier.

RShepard, Randle and JJ are probably the most recognizable players. I can’t imagine it being a case of mistaken identity if any of those 3 are involved.

by amiznit on Aug 22, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Isn’t Jarvis the one with the broken foot?

by FlaTiger on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had the broken foot

It healed and he practiced the last week of camp.

by amiznit on Aug 22, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

my point being

that even if healed, you may not want to be kicking hard objects with it….

by FlaTiger on Aug 22, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Insert obvious "they all look alike" joke here...

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

"Oh Shit" -The SEC

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

good post

have to say i’m a little disappointed that jefferson could potentially miss the game with us Ducks. with his history, Duck fans were salivating.

Sounds like you have a great coach though, integrity wise. best wishes through your difficult times. we understand.

by Quacker Backer on Aug 22, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Jordan was saying 'Y'all chill out,' and then he rolled out. He didn't want to have anything to do with it."

Broken curfew or not, Jefferson lets team down in the 4th qtr again. Know the person you share a foxhole with……..

by Brett Price on Aug 22, 2011 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Great first post.

Now go back to TigerDroppings.

Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!

by Gregatron on Aug 22, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah. 4th quarter?

Anybody know what bowl we ended up in?

I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine

by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 22, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity, on a scale of 1-10

How bad would it be in your opinion if JJ is hypothetically not able to play Sept 3? Considering individual ability, depth chart, gameday matchups, etc… say 1 is no impact, 5 is “not ideal at all, but we’ve got other guys who can pick up the slack”, and 10 is “our chances just got very very slim”.

For example, if Darron Thomas weren’t available against you guys I’d put it at 9 – no proven backup QB in an offense that relies on quick reads, against an elite secondary, seriously bad news. Harris’ suspension I’d give a 6 or so, against a better QB he’d be more crucial but we do have some CB depth and Barner isn’t too far behind him on returns (knock on wood).

Thoughts on Jefferson?

by dulcamara on Aug 22, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Its really hard to grade

Because on the one hand, Lee is an experienced backup who has proven quite capable at times. But at the same time, there’s a reason why he’s behind Jefferson, who isn’t exactly amazing himself. If you went to a site like Tiger Droppings you’d find a very sizable portion that very much wants him to start.

But until otherwise, I’d rather see Jefferson. We know his worst, and we know Lee’s worst.

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by Billy Gomila on Aug 22, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We know JJ and Lee's worst under Crowton...

This is a new year…

I’m behind JJ, but I won’t be worried if we have to go to battle with Lee out there.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson

"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles

"Oh Shit" -The SEC

by LSU Jonno on Aug 22, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Aug 23, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

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