Last year's discussion on leadership...
by TigerTex on Aug 25, 2011 6:12 PM CDT
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PrintAll the stuff with this team reminds me of a discussion we had last year about leadership. Many here said "leadership" was nebulous, overrated, etc., etc., etc. How 'bout now?
I can't help but wonder why in the world JJ, as a Senior QB of the #3 team in the nation, would be out at a bar after a team-imposed curfew. Why didn't he or someone else tell everyone to get back to their rooms? If Kelvin Sheppard was still here, would he have?
I know every young person is due to make some mistakes, but this just absolutely cannot happen. And with some "LEADERSHIP", it wouldn't have.
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From what I understand, breaking curfew on the last day of practice is a decades old team tradition..
If JJ and others made the mistake of what is alleged—have to let it play out, then they will pay respectively, but in that event there are others who can lead who have experience: JLee, the o-line, RR and even Ware at rb on offense; Sam Montgomery, Ryan Baker, Stefoin Francois, B-Taylor on defense among others for example. It all starts with actual football very soon; time to get excited no matter who is out there—WooHoooo!!!!!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
*who can lead and will lead regardless who have experience...
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Decades old tradition?
You can’t be serious. So why is Les Miles so mad if it’s a decades old tradition? (I’m assuming he would know about it if it was.)
Because there was a bar brawl and Players were involved
To answer your question.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Aug 26, 2011 7:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One criticism I have of the application of the term
is that it is nebulous, as you mentioned. Extremely so. The term leadership is most often used in discussing sports to refer to un-measurable intangible qualities, very often to criticize someone for not having it (whatever it is).
Is there such a thing as leadership? Sure, if you manage to slap a coherent definition on it. But it’s not used as a coherent concept. It’s used much more to make people seem smarter and more knowledgeable than they really are because they are too intellectually lazy to go to the trouble to make informed and thoughtful observations.
Secondly, let’s assume we agree on a definition. Even then we, as fans, are in no way shape or form qualified to make any sort of informed observation. Who are we to question the leadership or JJ, or RS, or really anyone? The coaches are. The fans, who are not observing or really in any meaningful way in contact with the team, completely unfamiliar with its social dynamics, and just generally clueless, cannot and should not make observations about leadership, as when we do so we are 99% of the time pulling something out of our ass (and virtually always to prove that “this just backs up what I’ve been saying all along!”).
Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!
Furthermore...
shit happens. Most observers think that Kelvin Sheppard demonstrated a lot of leadership last year for the Tigers. I’m okay with that. Seems reasonable on its face. But let’s say that last year it was him that was stomping someone in the head. Does that diminish his leadership? What if we find out that someone pushed a friend of his? Threatened a female friend of his. Called him the n-word? Does his leadership magically disappear? Does he lose leadership points (which is absurd)? Or does that mean that he just never had these qualities in the first place (which is circular reasoning).
Jordan Jefferson for Heisman!
Yea, KS
like any of us can lose an opportunity to lead. Leadership comes from having the ability to influence others…hopefully in a positive way.
It’s an important part of team sports. It’s the ability some players have to give positive direction to the team. I’m not saying JJ isn’t a leader, or doesn’t have leadership qualities. I’m just saying he should have used them in a positive way that night.
Leadership is a flawed concept..
You need followership as much as you need leadership, and you can only have a few leaders at a time.
Still, if you want to rephrase it as “providing a good example” then yes, you need older players to provide a good example to younger players. We perhaps had a problem in that area in the early morning hours of August 19.
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by Richard Pittman on Aug 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not sure how you can say this today.
“Leadership” is the subject of a zillion books, seminars, etc., so I’m not sure I would call it a “flawed concept”. As you say, it’s about “providing a good example” i.e., “follow me.” If you want to call it something else, that’s fine, but all I’m saying is that somebody should have stepped in and shut the whole thing down that night before they decided to go celebrate the end of two-a-days. Now all we can do is hope that Jarrett Lee can get us through the toughest opener for anyone in the country and perhaps even the rest of the season.
A lot of flawed concepts sell books
So that’s not the best response to Pittman’s argument.
Leadership comes in a TON of different ways, and its almost impossible to accurately judge on a team unless you’re a member of it. As such, outsiders would be very wise to avoid doing so. That’s all I’ll say on the topic.
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by Billy Gomila on Aug 28, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Tony Dungy would agree with me...
“When I was looking to add new players to my team, leadership was the quality most desired.” —Tony Dungy on Twitter
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