Previewing LSU - Oregon Part 4: What the Tiger Defensive Backs are Looking At
And we've reached the final portion of our four-part series breaking down the Oregon Offense for the Tigers' opener this Saturday. Once again, I couldn't have done this without the great work done at blogs like Coach Hoover, Trojan Football Analysis, Shakin' the Southland, Tomahawk Nation, Offensive Breakdown, Smart Football and Football Defense. For a recap, check out the overview piece here, followed by breakdowns of how LSU will likely try to defend the Ducks at the defensive line and linebacker levels.
It should come as no surprise that a heavily run-based offense attacks opposing secondaries primarily with a play-action-based passing attack. And if you've been reading this series, it should come as even less of one that the Oregon Duck air attack focuses on a handful of simple concepts mastered and executed early and often.
The LSU players that will be squarely in the crosshairs of the Ducks (an ironic twist) will be Tyrann Mathieu and the safety corps of Brandon Taylor, Craig Loston and Eric Reid.
On running plays the free safety, likely to be Loston and Reid most of the time, will play the role of alley defender on a large number of Oregon's textbook runs, especially the stretch and sweep plays. Additionally, they'll be responsible for the quarterback on Oregon's read, speed and triple option plays. This responsibility calls for them to make decisions and close on the ball-carrier quickly, and, of course, make the tackle. The last thing the defense can afford in this game is missed tackles. With runners like LaMichael James and Kenjon Barner, you won't get a lot of second chances.
via Coach Hoover
As seen in the above diagram, strong safety Brandon Taylor will primarily be reading Oregon's "trips" or three-receiver formations, for one of the Ducks' primary pass concepts, the bubble screen. I shouldn't have to rehash it for any LSU fan reading this, but Taylor will be the alley defender on most of those screen plays as the outside receivers block down on the nickel and cornerbacks. He'll also have some force responsibilities on some of Oregon's inside screens -- taking on blockers to give a better flow path to the ball for the linebackers and other defensive backs.
The bubble screen plays a huge role in the Ducks' attack, both in the play-action and quick passing games. In addition to the basic bubble screen play we've all seen before, Oregon will run it off of play-action (or have the receivers act it out as a part of basic run action), and even include it in basic drop-back sets, with the outside receivers running slants or deep routes on top of the inside receiver's bubble-swing. They'll even invert the screen, with the outside wideout dropping under the inside two for a quick tunnel screen. Here are some of the concepts diagrammed via Offensive Breakdown:
Mathieu is the X-factor for LSU here. In addition to his stellar play in nickel coverage and as a blitzer, Mathieu was able to make a couple of nice plays on the bubble screen down the stretch last season, tipping one against Ole Miss that led to a Lavar Edwards interception, and disrupting a couple of them in the Cotton Bowl. But he'll have to be on his toes in case Oregon tries to burn him with the bubble-slant or bubble-go. In those situations, Taylor will have to react quickly to back Mathieu up.
And as always, the key will be balancing making these reads quickly against getting caught on misdirection or play-action. Oregon stresses a couple of play-action concepts, usually based off of the inside-zone run. Sometimes Darron Thomas will half-roll with deep vertical and crossing patterns, and on those it will be on the free safety to avoid getting caught too far on the fake, or the inside receivers will have a lot of room in the deep middle of the field. Here's a great example of Oregon combining play-action with the four verticals concept, via Chris Brown of Smart Football (via Doc Saturday).
via a323.yahoofs.com
Another favorite concept out of some of Oregon's balanced looks is to motion a receiver and run a post/curl plus wheel combination. The motion man runs a basic wheel route underneath the outside receiver and up the sideline, while the other receiver cuts inside and either takes it deep with a post or sits down with a curl route. It's yet another play that takes advantage of the Ducks' pace, as they can break into it quickly while a secondary is still trying to get lined up. The playside safety and corner will have to have their responsibilities clear, so that one is in position for both the inside and outside player. It can be easy to keep a linebacker on the motion man, but against slot players like Josh Huff, that can be a mismatch. Below are a few cut-ups of the Ducks running the concept against Stanford last season.
This isn't to say Oregon won't test LSU's outside corners. Morris Claiborne, Tharold Simon (and Mathieu on occasion) will have to make sure they hold outside leverage on the Ducks' running plays, and keep themselves in position to shed and make tackles on those screens. Recognizing the route concepts as they happen will be huge.
Linebackers getting back to undercut the crossing routes or slants will be a key as well. Much like the Duck run game, these concepts will be lather/rinse/repeat at times, but as soon as the defense cheats one way a little too much, Chip Kelly will add that little twist and suddenly there's a wide-open receiver. And of course, the best defense against any passing attack is always a good pass rush...
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Mathieu vs. Bubble screens
When you said they’d be targeting Mathieu on those it worried me a little cause of his lack of size, but then you say he played them well last season? I don’t remember any of those plays specifically, but do you think he’ll be able to fight off blocks? Or did most of his disruption on bubble screens come with him reacting before the blocking WR was able to get a body on him?
Mathieu consistently made nice tackles on screen plays last year
Despite his size, he is a very sound tackler. He knows how to evade blocks and put himself into the best position to make a play. He has a very high football IQ, and he was just a FRESHMAN last year. He looked like 5th year senior last year… never out of position and made a play whenever possible.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Aug 29, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll have to
That’s kind of my point — this is what Oregon does. Its not so much that they’d be targeting Mathieu individually, they’re just running their offense. The bubble screen is a huge part of it.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 29, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I guess it’s more a function of just being a nickelback rather than him individually…I’m just wondering how his block shedding skills are or if he can read it quick enough to get there before the blocker? Because if he’s relying solely on evading blocks, that could get him out of position and be just as damaging as getting blocked.
Yup
Same principle holds true from my LB post.
Mathieu will have to honor his responsibilities. It won’t always be to get upfield and make the tackle himself.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 29, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
He won't be in the defensive backfield for us this year
But how cool is it that Patrick Peterson returned his first NFL pick for a touchdown?
Oregon has tremendous team speed, and the fast paced O will wear down the LSU D.
I think it will be a gring for the first half, then Oregon will run away with it. Your QB situation looks bad and I know we lost Cliff Harris for the game, but Barner was one of the Nations best returners before Harris took over.
Harris will be missed more as our best CB, but then again, your passing O is something less than to be desired.
Seems like you guys always keep it close to the end and win games that you shouldn’t have won (Tenn anyone?) so This could be a very interesting game. Good Luck.
I don't know if you'll wear LSU down
Conditioning for the pace has been a focus since last January. But a shootout is definitely not something LSU wants this game to get into. Oregon didn’t exactly wear down Auburn last year, and LSU’s defense has a chance to be a lot better than that group.
It’s going to be a very interesting matchup.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 29, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
Our QB situation is just fine. Lee has experience and a quick strong ARM on his side. Lee will throw for more yards then Jefferson would have. Jefferson just provided us with a running qb style. Now with Krags and Stud going back to most likely a pro style offense its better suited for Lee anyway.
by cbkao on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that Lee is a better passer and I would say QB overall.
Never been fond of a guy that can run but sucks at passing.
by ericalancanty on Aug 30, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm an Oregon fan, and this is my first time over here
This is a terrific breakdown. Well done. I won’t go as far as to say good luck on Saturday, but I will say may the best team win.
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by GMan83201 on Aug 29, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Appreciate the sentiment
And Duck fans have (with few exceptions) been great guests here. Hopefully win lose or draw we all come out of Saturday healthy and everybody has a great time. I know I intend to!
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I can make this easier for you.
Very good X’s and O’s analysis. LSU fans know their football. I don’t care what Alabamans say. :)
But if I may simplify it for you: You said, “. . .but as soon as the defense cheats one way a little too much, Chip Kelly will add that little twist and suddenly there’s a wide-open receiver”
You’re partly right. As soon as the defense cheats, Oregon will take advantage of it. But it’s not even as complicated as a “twist” coming from Kelly and the bench. It’s already built into the play.
Here’s the thing. Your entire post is basically, “If the offense does this, our guys must do that. And if the offense does that . . .”, and so on.
Here’s part of the secret behind Oregon’s offense. Neither Kelly nor Thomas the QB know exactly what the play is going to be until after the ball is snapped. Handoff, keeper, throw bubble, throw long. Thomas is waiting for the defense to TELL HIM what the play should be.
Any cheat anywhere, anytime in the game . . . . that’s what Kelly trains his QB to look for. And that is part of the wear down factor.
When Duck fans say good luck, we’re saying good luck that none of your defensive players make a mistake for four whole quarters.
Good luck, LSU. If you win this game, you will have definitely earned the win.
We are now leaving ATQ. Did you go potty and take your medication?
Yet people HAVE been able to defend it
Don’t assume it’s impossible. Your last 2 bowl games should have taught you that.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it took a last play of the game FG for AUB to win a game, that has some VERY conterversial calls in it.
Calls that led directly to AUB scoring and Oregon getting punk in scoring.
by ericalancanty on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
None, really
And this comes from a Duck fan. We got beat. Auburn was the better team. What does kill me is that kinda fluke play that set up the winning field goal…where the runner got spun over the tackler and was never actually down. That was disappointing, but certainly not a “questionable call.”
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Reading a lot of Oregon self analysis of their offense
You would think they invented all of these post snap reads. It’s not new at all. Kelly looks for cheats? Well, woopty do. Everybody does. This is not new either. The only “secret” to Oregon’s offense is that they execute it very well.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 31, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This was kind of the point of my original post in this series
People like to talk about gimmicks, and there’s nothing gimmicky about this offense. Its just well-designed, well-taught and well-executed.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 31, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I mean
a pass option read of an option run base play? With options of either giving a dive or passing? We had that shit in high school 20 years ago. We just never ran it b/c of personnel/skill deficiencies at that level. But the scheme was there. Hell, most people don’t know in some triple option schemes there’s actually a 4th option with a halfback pass after the pitch (which we also had in our Veer scheme), you just don’t have the time to get to that stage b/c of how pursuit unfolds. When somebody does finally pull it off they’ll be hailed as a “guru,” “a genius,” “an innovator,” even though it’s been buried in people’s playbooks for decades as an abstract concept.
Every option based offense ever, Wishbone, Veer, Freeze option, Spread, etc. is based on taking advantage of opponent’s cheats or in essence, “taking what they give you.” Not trying to bash on Oregon fans b/c they have been most gracious & cordial for the most part, but it’s just slightly hilarious to hear some of them go on sounding like these are new, innovative concepts.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Aug 31, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Billy, I'd posted this in another thread
http://fishduck.com/2011/07/the-fish-report-oregon%E2%80%99s-new-triple-tailback-threat-formation/
and you responded thinking it was the wishbone/triple option, but it’s not. It’s another way of getting three TB’s in the game. It’s a perfectly balanced set (no strongside) one fast TB (probably James, who you obviously have to respect) directly behind the QB a la pistol, and 2 players split wide to each side, a big, blocking WR with a fast TB stacked directly behind him. At the snap both wide TB’s turn to the QB, who is making a read option to hand off, keep, or (and here’s the interesting part) get it to the speedy TB split wide with a big physical blocker in front of him, who are man up on a CB and safety.
Like you, Charles Fischer over at Fishduck really knows his stuff, and he’s pretty excited about it…
There is precedence to this operational strategy of his as we saw last fall during the Civil War game Triple Options and Zone Reads done on the PLAYSIDE for the first time in all of my years of observing the Chip Kelly Spread Offense. We then saw that playside Zone Reading attack strategy more fully developed during the National Championship Game in the "Slash" Formations/plays. (See the Slash Formation Fish Report) If his MO continues, it suggests that we will see this new formation with some exciting variations off of it. It quite possibly is the most potentially explosive formation yet that can exploit the combination of the Zone Read with the speed and talent we have assembled at Tailback. Truly, I am giddy as I write this……
What do you think?
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The thing is
I know it looks different, but for the defense you really do defend it similarly to the triple-option. It’s all about cutting off the play one piece at a time and making the offense run the way you want them too. Auburn had some good luck defending it, though Thomas making some really bad decisions played a role.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The personnel may change
In terms of who does what, but the player’s steps taken are still the same.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
but they didn't use this against Auburn, they only ran it 2 times against OSU last year and didn't pass either time
We did not see this formation in the National Championship game, but I expect we will this year with the ideal talent assembled for such an attack. Spread ‘em and shred ‘em!
With our secondary we are better equipped than just about any other team in the nation to handle it, but if the play is executed correctly it’s cause for concern
What surprised me the most was what was happening on the perimeter of our play. (Go back and look at Picture #3) I assumed that the four WR/TBs would take off downfield into pass patterns to tie up the secondary defenders which would be handy when the TB with the ball breaks some tackles in the middle of the field and gets some open space for a moment. I about choked on my drink as I watched BOTH Tailbacks turn to the QB at the snap of the ball! (Look at the yellow arrows!) They were ready to catch the ball right there and follow their WR blocking for them. I noted that we didn’t have any of the smaller/faster profile WRs in the game in that play. They were strong, stout downfield blockers in DJ Davis and Justin Hoffman. What if Darron had thrown the ball to one of the Tailbacks? You would have had the ball with either LaMichael James or Kenyon Barner and only one man to beat in the open field with the speed they have and their moves? Holy Crap.
JUSTICE FOR JORDAN!!
Exact same no,
but something very similar with a triple-option look, yes
If any option play is executed correctly it’s a cause for concern. That’s why it’s a play that has stood the test of time. Its extremely difficult to stop.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
In the words of Cool Hand Luke "What we've got here is a failure to communicate."
I’m sure the problem is on my end, but I’m having trouble seeing how a single Tailback and 2 guys split wide to each side (see my original post above) is “very similar with a triple option look”. I guess it’s that Thomas has the zone read to hand it off, keep, or (and here is where I think the analogy breaks down) throw the screen to either side of the field.
I’m sounding argumentative, and that’s not my intent. I truly appreciate everything that all you guys do here at ATVS, even if it does take up way too many hours of my day :-)
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No, but it's still not something that far out of the norm of what they do
The triple option with a bubble-screen read as a part of it is something Oregon does quite a bit. In fact it’s a staple of a lot of spread option teams.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Just about anytime you see Oregon with a trips-WR formation
Chances are you’re going to see the far-inside guy duck under the two for a bubble screen. It’s extensively used with their run and pass looks, whether as a decoy, another read on the option or a straight pass.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Aug 30, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying..
.. and, obviously, any play executed correctly is cause for concern. Thanks for your replies.
4 days, 7 hours, and counting…man, it just can’t get here soon enough!
Geaux Tigers!!!
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