Initial Impressions: LSU 40, Oregon 27
by Poseur on Sep 3, 2011 10:48 PM CDT
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Print"LSU is lucky."
We won't be hearing a whole lot of that over the next few days, as LSU thoroughly defeated one of the best teams in the country tonight. Now, there will be excuses, as there often are -- LSU benefited from big turnovers, the offense still looks dysfunctional, LSU actually had less yards of offense than Oregon -- and those excuses aren't entirely wrong.
This win wasn't perfect. It was at times so deeply flawed that victory seemed impossible. So let's get the bad stuff out of the way first, shall we?
Jarrett Lee looked pretty mediocre, and downright awful in the first quarter. His ATVSQBPI was a 4.60, which is not very good. He threw off his back foot, made some poor decisions, and generally didn't inspire a whole lot of confidence.
But his receivers were worse. None of the young receivers stepped up to help out Lee. Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry seemed to be in a competition of who could drop more balls.
Ummm.... I'm tapped out. The running game could best be described as "strudy". Not a lot of big plays, but the combination of Spencer Ware and Michael Ford slowly wore down the Ducks. The offense wasn't spectacular, but it didn't have to be. Given great field position all night, the offense took advantage of its opportunities. When LSU needed to score, the offense scored. Usually a touchdown.
The defense? My God, the defense looks great. This isn't some chump team, Oregon can move the football. And for the majority of the night, LSU shut down (or at least contained) the Oregon attack. UO had one terrific drive in the first half, which relied on five 3rd down conversions, but other than that, the Oregon offense sputtered until garbage time.
The defense was opportunistic, making huge plays when we needed it most. The defense blew this game open in the third quarter with big play after big play. It was an awesome feeling. The secondary is as good as advertised and this is still Defensive Line U. This was a statement win.
The special teams were dominant. T-Rex's fumble recovery changed the game early on, and kept the Tigers in the game while the offense found its legs. Brad Wing punted the crap out of the ball. OK, Drew Alleman missed a PAT, but that was the only black mark on a unit that completely dominated a unit widely regarded as one of the best in the country.
Some will find a way to pooh pooh this win. We should expect it by now. But Oregon is a great team which will likely win at least ten games, and LSU just took them to the woodshed. Sure, LSU needed big plays to do it, but that's how big wins happen. Had things broken differently in the third quarter, it could've been a totally different football game. This is a great team that just had some bad breaks that just got away from them tonight.
Most importantly, this team didn't let a team up off the mat. The biggest problem with LSU last season was failing to finish games. Repeatedly, LSU let defeated teams back into the game, leading to some of those "lucky" wins. This time, LSU got up big and then stayed up big. When Oregon cut the lead to 13, LSU responded and closed the door.
That's what great teams do. Oregon is a very good team. LSU, my friends, feels like a great team.
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Congrats. #7 is a beast. He was the key to the game.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Sep 3, 2011 11:08 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Thanks
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 3, 2011 11:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
People look at me like I just laid an egg when I told them he was a LaRon Landry/Peterson hybrid
doubt i’ll get that much longer
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Old school football..
Power run, good kicking game/special teams and good to great d for the most part. Passing game looked better—We took some shots; need to work on catching the ball. Great catch by Odell on that bs hold call. Lee played well and he can get better on accuracy with more snaps and NW St coming up. A lot of fun watching this game, Geaux Tigers!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 3, 2011 11:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You guys were the better team
And I want Mike Bellotti back… that is all
Chip Kelly is a great coach
He can’t really be blamed that his freshmen kept coughing up the ball.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
Bellotti had less talent and was 1-0 in BCS bowl games
Kelly is 0-4 in big match ups and inherited a 10 win team from Bellotti. Bellotti won a BCS bowl, and he did it with less. Little known fact: BSU’s Pererson is a Bellotti understudy
Look...
this isn’t really the place to talk Oregon football…but you’re way underselling the talent on that 2001 Oregon team. Plus, that Colorado team we destroyed was not even close to the level of the Boise, Ohio St., Auburn or LSU teams Chip’s teams have lost to.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
scoreoard
because scoreboard. Real Ducks don’t rationalize poor play. No #4 team in the nation should lose to a team who starts their backup QB (no hate LSU).
The Tigers beat us soundly with a backup QB and without their best athlete on offense. Any real Oregon fan has to argue that they should not have. Chip has failed to get it done three years in a row now and it is time to man up and simply admit this.
Good Job Tigers, I honestly believe you had no business beating us but yet you did. It is a testament to your program.
This is how we beat teams
In the trenches and with a vicious defense. It ain’t pretty, but it works. Line play, line play, line play. It’s not glamorous, but that’s the key to a great team. LSU killed UO on the lines.
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I disagree
You killed us on your offensive line, in the second half.
I think we all saw the LSU front seven with their hands on their hips in the second quarter. 80 yard drive, 3 LSU injuries on defense… quite the coincidence if you ask me.
You guys beat us on second half adjustments and a bone head speical teams play in the second half.. You owned he second half completely. But your defensive line never swallowed us whole ala Auburn.. Thomas missed a lot of open receivers and your defense prevented break away runs by making tackles on the second level more often then at the point of attack.
That said, that fast DE you guys have is off the hook
I’m not saying you didn’t outplay us, but I would contest the point regarding how you did it.
Both lines
UO averaged less than 4 yards per rush. Very rarely did UO backs get to the second level — that’s on the d-line. Oregon’s rushing attack was largely bottled up.
But it was really our o-line which dominated. Those first quarter rushes eventually set up the third quarter explosion. UO put 9 guys in the box and LSU was still able to rush effectively. LSU’s edge, on both sides of the ball, was on the lines.
I know you’re trying to accuse LSU of faking injuries, but UO had cramping problems too. And LSU was usually set up for the play before the snap. I think those injuries were legit as both teams suffered them. Unless UO was faking too.
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I never knew what crappy people UO fans were
Idont recall a game in any setting where opposing fans booed injured players. One cry baby blogger i can live with But the loudest noise the made at the game was to boo injured players Yes, I understand a team faked injury once, but what about that score implies LSU was on the edge of exhaustion? Hands on hips? You watch much ball son? He’ll, watch your own D line? Perhaps the Injuries were due to the “style” UO plays- illegal leg whips and crack back blocks! I see where the fans get their lead.
I liked UO up to the game. I know hate them. Truly bad sports fans.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think LaMichael James faked his injury
b/c he was scared of LSU’s d-linme. There, I said.
Of course, Im kidding, but yeah it’s funny now that every injury from now on against Oregon, they boo hoo. Maybe next time one of their players gets hurt, the other team should run up to the line & act like they want to run a play, just for shits & giggles.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
What really pissed me off was the replay,
where you see one of the linemen getting his arm twisted grotesquely while it was planted on the ground – causing one of the two injuries. Clean play, but looked bad, and could have ended really bad. Boooooo him, he is scared of L James and his 54 yds of rushing!
Just plain poor sportsmanship.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed that. was that on TV?
What drove me crazy was that the ABC broadcast hardly showed any replays of the LSU injuries or the OU chop blocks and leg kicks (What is that any way?). But they showed Mingo incidentally stepping on the back of LaMichael’s leg 5 times.
Yeah I'd have loved to see that
If I’m the ref and the same team has two leg whips in one half I’m considering tossing somebody. That’s usually not an accidental penalty.
Of course I’d have also told Loston he’s one more headfirst launch from the showers as well.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not an accidental penalty at all
Leg whips & chop blocks are NOT accidental. They may not be coached but they are certainly not accidental.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The funny (?) thing about Loston
is that I recall he had an interview recently talking about how he is not going for bit hits anymore.
Well, I hate to see a “big hit” if leaping head first from 12 yds away to hit a player 1 inch off the ground is just a regular play.
SEC refs are going to be watching him as they should. That crap is just too damn obvious.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
A leg whip
is usually when a lineman is beat or fallen to the ground & you whip your leg out to trip somebody. If it connects with a knee it can fuck somebody up. It was banned in the early 70s when it became a regular “tactic” of lineman.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the explanation
I kept wondering all game – what is a leg whip? In all the games I’ve watched I have never heard that called.
Also meant to say
it’s different than tripping which is also a penalty. Tripping implies you just stick your leg out where a leg whip implies there was a definite kicking motion directed towards the player.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, just once though. Hyper extension with a falling player.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I was saying Boo-urns.
This is definitely a problem Oregon fans have. Unfortunately, it was reinforced by 3 teams faking injuries last year (ASU, Stanford, Cal). Now, every time an opposing player goes down, Oregon fans just assume they are faking it.
It’s has gotten pretty bad, and it’s no excuse to boo anyone.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
by JShufelt on Sep 4, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
all day long
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
U have to be joking.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
by NEP on Sep 3, 2011 11:21 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You do realize that...
if Bellotti were back, we lose that game by 50. No, Chip is a great coach. Like he said in his postgame conference: we just ran into the better team. LSU is the best team we’ll play all year.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
Oregon is gonna win a lot of football games this year...
Tonight just wasn’t one of them :)
Eye right blahgs.
Humanoid, west coast edition
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone else notice
Morris Claiborne had a “9 JJ” written on his bicep in silver marker? I love it.
by carlizle84 on Sep 3, 2011 11:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Didnt notice that but
that rocks
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 3, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Did not see that, that's awesome...
Hang in there JJ, hope you can get back and you will always be a Tiger!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 3, 2011 11:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Support from a Teammate
I saw Mo’s sign of support for JJ and thought it was wonderful. JJ deserves all the support we fans and his fellow players can give. Hope he’s back soon, although at this point JL has earned the starting job.
I noticed writing, couldn't make it out
If JJ comes back, I don’t think you can give him the starting job right then and there. He would have to earn it back.
All that aside, great to see the team support one of their own.
He would have to earn it
but I think he would. We are better with JJ. Congrats to Lee, though.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
A few notes from this Duck fan...
First off, big time congrats. Your defense is as advertised. Fast, physical, and with a mean streak that I think got to some of our players a little bit. Your D disrupted our offense all night, and our WRs couldn’t separate from the press coverage to save their life.
I know some Duck fans will try to say that you all got lucky, but it comes down to being a great, disciplined team that took advantage of the mistakes and make the Ducks pay for them. I think Oregon felt like they HAD to make big plays (hence the two fumbles, especially the one that resulted in 6) and so they pushed too hard and made mental mistakes.
I also didn’t understand the constant passes to the edge by Thomas. Your secondary is great. I can see why your D coordinator said this was the best D he’s coached.
Great win and a great game. I love it when two highly ranked teams battle at the beginning of the year, and even though you ran away with it at the end, it was an exciting game to watch. Better than starting with 1-AA team, that’s for sure.
Good luck the rest of the way. Go win the SEC! Hopefully we can play you all again sometime in the future.
"Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do" -- John Wooden
Thanks, two good teams who have everyones respect for scheduling this game...
good game and hope y’all win the PAC—a home game in the CCG would be cool. Hope a home and home can be scheduled at some point (Autzen looks like a great place for a game and i know Tiger Stadium is) and hope we can take care of the Huskies in BR next year ;)
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 3, 2011 11:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Class comments by a class group
Good luck to you guys the rest of the year. I wouldn’t want to play you guys with only a week to prepare.
Les Miles is simply the best in the business with the off season or bowl season to prepare.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
by LSU Jonno on Sep 3, 2011 11:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't argue with any of your assessment
Was basically the same thing I saw.
I thought Oregon/y’all did take themselves out of the game a bit in trying to “press” the play with all the passes. I wouldnt worry too much though You guys definitely have a ton of athletes & to be honest, I was very nervous in the 1st quarter watching you guys run the fast pace offense.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Oregon State fan (and temporary Duck fan) here
Congratulations on the win. I didn’t think you guys would pull it off, much less dominate like that, but we all saw what happened. The defense looked fired up as hell, and the lines were firmly in Tiger control. As much as I would have liked to have seen an SEC loss (you know how it is), it’s clear who the better team was tonight.
Les Miles is also one of the only SEC coaches I like, so I guess I can swallow it a little better than I would otherwise! Maybe I should start eating grass – there might be something to it.
Good luck the rest of the year :)
Lol, thanks--please beat Boise
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 4, 2011 12:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Doh! Since they are not on your schedule,
Beat if you play them at any time in the future.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Sep 4, 2011 12:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
congrats LSU!
your team was CLEARLY better than mine tonight. im sorry we weren’t better competition. i watched the game at a bar in Sacramento and i have to say that the LSU fans were first class, i loved being in the same room with them! I am proud to be a fan of a club that doesn’t shy away from big games!!!!!!!!! see you in january. :)
Did you join the UO fans booing injured players? That should warrant some good bar conversations.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude....
he’s here to congratulate us. It’s not his fault some douchey UO fans booed our injured guys, and he should not have to answer for it.
Yeah, there were some bad UO fans. There are plenty of bad (small minded, racist, homophobic) LSU fans out there.
Jordan Jefferson ...errrr...Jarrett Lee for Heisman!
As stated above
I never heard any of the LSU fans you seem familiar with get the loudest at a game when 2players get hurt. No v Bama, not for Tebow, not even in a Nat Champ setting.
One fan, who cares, but every fan willing to travel to a game. That says a lot about UO fans. Sorry to disappoint you.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Takes a lot more than that to disappointment me.
I guess I’m really just asking you to stop being a total asshole.
Jordan Jefferson ...errrr...Jarrett Lee for Heisman!
by Gregatron on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No thanks. I think it is warranted.
You have lots a nasty names tiger fans, I learned I don’t like ducks. Call it even. Asssssshhhhhooooooolllllleeeeee!
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What was missing?
Gary Fu*king Crowton. He spent so much time trying to outfox the other team and run the perfect play that he confused his players and didn’t get anything done. LSU lined up and ran old school Big 10 style football out of the I with a few passes where needed and dominated. I saw at least 3 passes that were dropped that should not have been, if those balls are caught this game is even more out of hand. LSU doesn’t need a trick offense. We don’t need to outsmart people because we have superior talent. Run simple plays and just kick other teams in the ass. Play hard defense, DOMINATE on special teams. You know what we looked like tonight? Ohio state under Tressel, but with better athletes. If we can get Lee throwing some intermediate passes withe accuracy I see a NC in LSU’s future. Both lines dominated tonight and we should (and are) very proud of them.
Geaux Tigers!!!!!
Execution > Scheme
It’s a theme we are proponents of around here.
You don’t have to out think the other guy, just out execute him.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
Great respect to the Ducks fans who, by and large, have been very classy and not acted like jerks in the comments on this fine website.
This. Very much so.
I’ll try and have something later today, but this was a case of swatting a fly with a caveman club.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Sep 4, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Well... shucks!
You got a great team, LSU fans!
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Ducks
You guys have a good team. You’re just in an unfortunate position of having to rely on a lot of inexperienced players at key spots, and we took advantage. You’ll win a lot of games this year; it’s just tough to go against a team as good as ours this early.
As for us, I will focus on what we need to work on. Poseur loved our special teams, but I saw a kickoff coverage unit that kept giving Oregon possession outside the 30. I also saw Wing continually struggle to pooch punt. His pooch punts were usually returnable, and gave Oregon the ball outside the 20.
Lee was uncharacteristically inaccurate early in the game. He made one nice pass that was dropped by Chase Clement. He picked it up after Oregon’s big 2nd quarter drive. I didn’t see any bad decisions other than taking a sack. I thought he generally found the open man, but failed to put the ball in a catchable spot. Once or twice I thought his receiver (I particularly remember a screen pass to Ford) wasn’t in the right place. I did not get the impression, however, on live watching, that drops were a big problem in this game.
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by Richard Pittman on Sep 4, 2011 6:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Interesting...
At the dome (from the nose bleeds yet still awesome seats) it looked like Lee was hitting his guys in the hands and our guys were just dropping the damn ball.
WIll watch my DVRed version later and see if I agree with you.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
Enough commenters seem to have pointed out the drops to make me question if I was right..
I haven’t had a chance to go back to the replay. My impression on live viewing was that Lee wasn’t accurate early. He definitely picked it up later. I disagree, however, with the notion that OBJ had drops. That jump ball in the end zone was a VERY tough ball to catch. It was well-thrown, but it’s an awful lot to ask of a true freshman to catch that ball, especially if he isn’t 6’3" tall. That wasn’t Lee’s fault, or OBJ’s fault. It just was. The CB played it well and made it as tough as possible, and he couldn’t come up with it.
I am darn proud of this team. I think future opponents won’t be able to keep our running game from generating big plays, but our passing game will HAVE to get better if we’re going to beat the Alabamas, Floridas, and Mississippi States of the conference.
Father. Husband. Lawyer. Nerd.
by Richard Pittman on Sep 4, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't always tell which receiver dropped the ball - they rarely showed replays
But I know Clement (TE) dropped at least two in his hands. I think Landry dropped 2 more and OBJ dropped at least one (not counting the endzone play).
5 or 6 total drops – they weren’t all perfect, but if the wideout can get his hands on the ball unimpeded by the corner he has to catch the ball. Easily another 75 yards passing on those plays without any YAC. They especially let Lee down early in the game.
I came away confident in the passing game
not because of what they achieved, but because the play calling was good, the reads were generally right, and the passes generally accurate. The drops will improve, and Lee will get up to full speed quickly. But the next time they put 10 in the box, I think we can make them pay.
We are in good shape.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
especially if the receivers can start catching. I loved some of the 1 and 10 play action calls. There were a couple of 2 and 10 passes (after a 1 and 10 drop) that were mystifying to me- but it didn’t end up mattering.
Agree on the DB play
That was a big factor in the drops. Not an excuse, but a factor.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Agreed on Wing's trouble pooching
But that’s the definition of a quibble. That dude was booming his distance punts. The pooching will come along, or Allemand will take over for directional kicks. No biggie.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
You need to watch the replay.
Lee was dead on accurate on most passes. The drops were placed well, even if a hard catch -ie, the window was tight. I was impressed w his accuray.
That crazy scramble backwards was a cluster-F however.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
LOVE this team
Especially the DBs, the RBs, and the Oline. But I did not see the Dline domination that Poseur did. I saw a lot of linebackers – and especially DBs making tackles in space. I saw some occasional Dline pressure on Thomas – mostly on blitzes. But I didn’t see us crushing their line with regularity.
I pretty much agree with everything Poseur said...However,
I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned how PREPARED the defense was for Oregon’s speed.
When Oregon was running the blur, our defense was lined up ready to go BEFORE Oregon would get lined up. It was almost like we got in their heads. I imagined our D-line screaming, “Hurry up grandpaw!” to the Oregon offensive lineman.
When I was watching this game, all the rumors about how this team had prepared for Oregon’s speed were rushing through my head. Guys, the coaches’ preparation won this game. Everything that happened was a product of preparation.
Also, one note on the D-line not dominating to GeauxTiger above. I’m not going to go all “secret playbook” on you…But, to me it looked like our D-line was more concerned with maintaining containment and not letting Thomas scramble than spin moving and speed rushing their way to a sack. It seemed our D-line just bull rushed their O-line every time and if we put pressure we put pressure…But if not we were going to rely on our exceptional DBs to handle the game instead of turning this into a crap fest by going batshit crazy on the D-line trying to get to Thomas…I mean we saw how that worked out for us against Auburn last year…That Cam Newton highlight is going to turn into their Billy Cannon run…Just my opinion.
"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" -Patrick Peterson
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
"Oh Shit" -The SEC
Still don't think Cam "beat" Patrick Peterson for that TD
but perhaps it’s wishful thinking.
Agreed. It was very controlled containment at the line.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
It appeared to me that the D-Line wasn’t trying to go around OLinemen they were literally pushing them 2-3 ft backwards, totally disrupting many plays UO attempted.
I think you're right Jonno about the Dline containing.
Definitely a coaching decision – as opposed to Ken Adams in the auburn game last year. And I think it was a good decision – but it also depended on the back 7 cleaning things up and making a lot of the real pressure on Thomas. Again, that doesn’t mean the Dline played badly at all – I don’t think that. But the domination on the defense (imho) was with the DBs, not the dline.
This post serves no purpose...
other than to show off my new sig.
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
by LSU Jonno on Sep 4, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know this
there are a LOT of sports columnists today that are seriously pissed off that they can’t finally print that clever “Les Miles is not a good coach and last night his luck finally ran out” piece they’d been saving up.
Jordan Jefferson ...errrr...Jarrett Lee for Heisman!
they can’t finally print that clever "Les Miles is not a good coach and last night his luck finally ran out" piece they’d been saving up.
Oh you just KNOW they all have one of those ready. Just like the day after AU won the NC all the recruiting violation articles came flooding out, which never would have seen the light of day had the SEC not won another consecutive NC.
Preseason is over!!!!
Les Miles
Our idiot beats yet ANOTHER genius, coaching legend.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
CONGRATULATIONS TO AN LSU TEAM THAT FOUGHT THROUGH SO MUCH ADVERSITY
I have no criticisms whatsoever regarding LSU’s roasting of the Ducks last night. For a team that had to deal with so much adversity the last few weeks, I think they played damn well for the first game of the season, especially given that it was against the #3 ranked team in the country. The announcers at times spoke of LSU’s domination over Oregon, and I agree. The Ducks must have thought they had entered the “Twilight Zone”. And, if the missive is true that a team does most of its improvement between the first and second games of the season, I pity LSU’s next opponent.
Congratulations from an SEC fan, but...
Don’t expect your lines to be that dominant once you get into conference play. During the pre-season I was constantly warning those on the OU bandwagon that they had too much to replace on their lines to make Kelly’s gameplan work. We all know that grow killer lineman down here in Dixie and although the Tigers are as deep as anyone, the overall level of line play will be better than what you just saw in Dallas.
Now all that said, your back seven was terrific in its own right, and I don’t know how anyone is going to score 30 on you this year. I just think that if you run into anyone with comparable line play (especially on the defensive side) you’re going to struggle to move the ball effectively.
I do agree
Both of our lines overmatched Oregon’s big boys, but we won’t have that luxury against most SEC competition.
With that being said, this is how we win games. Its rarely every “pretty”, but we get the job done. Our Def will surely carry us, but our OFF will improve. Lee managed the game well and his stats were not “pretty”, but they don’t need to be. He didn’t hurt us, and that’s what we need. If he can continue to improve, which he should, then watch out.
I love all the deep shots, just need to help Lee out by making those tough catches. And we need to get Randle more involved, bottom line. I don’t know if they rolled coverage his way, but he needs to be much more involved going forward.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Sep 4, 2011 3:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I give up
should be “linemen.” Football hangover has destroyed my command of the English language.
the ugly win.
We had to win this game ugly when playing a time that want a track meet. You slowdown at all cost. the off looked much more organized and steady. the tempo was great. we were a couple big catches away from the old pete Carroll and steve spurrier blowouts. oh yea, a bad holding call too. i see a chance for great improvement from this young offense.
by Demond Washington on Sep 4, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
Great team victory
I did not understand why we did not try to take advantage of the RR match up more, but who am I to 2nd guess a 40-27 victory.
I think the schedule, though tough, has some bright spots: we get to get rid of this emotional hangover against an inferior opponent; should be amped for another prime-time Thursday night game vs miss st, then get added time to prepare for WV
I’m more than dellusionally optimistic.
God bless Les
by aca7671 on Sep 4, 2011 4:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
My delusional optimism is tempered with a fear that Randle is hurting
and that Les just (wisely) kept that fact under wraps. He can take next week off but if we have to start the SEC schedule without Shepard and with Randle at less than 100% it makes me nervous.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It seemed like Randle wasn't even on the field all that much
but I’m not sure if that’s true or I imagined it because they never threw to him.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
He was definitely off the field more than he was on it
We had one stretch play get blown up because little Beckham didn’t even lay a finger on the cornerback. I couldn’t help but think if Randle was in he’d have made that block.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the game showed again
that freshmen are ALMOST always overrated, especially early in the season. OBJ and Landry may turn out to have great seasons this year (and I definitely believe they’ll have great careers at LSU) – but they need a lot of work.
I'm a little worried about the WRs.
I didn’t realize how much we would miss Shepard.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
i'm not sure we did...
I really, really want RS to be awesome this year – but last year he was one of the worst for drops. Hopefully he will improve a ton this year.
That's what I thought
but we don’t have that many other options.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
well, we have lots of other options
but other than randle, they aren’t proven. if landry, OBJ, or anybody else plays well, we should be ok.
I think clement and the freshmen wideouts ought to have to walk aroudn campus with tape on their hands though
A lot of times it's not that they are overrated
it’s that they only do their one thing well. I.e. RBs run, WRs catch/are fast etc. It’s very rare that a HS stud, even on good teams, has to do other things well, i.e. block, adjust plays, make calls, etc. Even a lot of good high schools, a lot of their “schemes” amount to nthing more to get the ball to Dude A & let him do his thing & they don’t actually teach proper technique or theyre too busy carrying the team & not having to block or anything in the case of RBs & WRs.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
that's fair enough
although in this case, it’s not even the blocking that was the issue for the freshman WR – it was catching. I am sure they will turn out to be great -hopefully even early on in the season. But they showed that they were freshmen last night.
Yes I was speaking generally
but you are correct too, a ton of receivers actually don’t have good catching skills or it’s something they need to work on even being a “blue chip.”
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you think he was hurt?
And did anyone hear anything about Ware’s hand? At one point the camera showed an assistant working on it on the sideline but the announcers didn’t say anything – and Ware came back in later. (this was in the 4qtr.)
Anyone else think
that Mike’s routine on the sideline last night was awesome? The duck hunting costume and especially when he had the giant remote in his hands trying to turn the volume up on the big screen above the field at the Death Star was effing hilarious. And I’m not one to laugh at that kind of stuff. Well played, Mike. Well played.
by carlizle84 on Sep 4, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A Winning Formula
First off, thanks for such a great website, long time fan first time poster. I saw a QB last night that was asked to execute the game plan, make plays when needed and keep mistakes to a minimum. He mage some mistakes but not as much in the past and hopefully this game will build his confidence and he can continue to improve.
2003 NC Run: Mauck had 201 YPG passing while failing to reach 200 yards 6 times. Rushing attack averaged 185 YPG,
2007 NC Run: Flynn had 200 YPG passing while failing to reach 200 yards 6 times and with one game less than 100 yards.
Rushing attack averaged 214 YPG
Lee’s first game only 98 Yards passing but with 175 NET yards gained rushing.
I am not saying that Lee is the second coming of either of Mauck or Flynn, but this is how LSU has made championship runs. Dominant Defense, a strong rushing attack and smart QB play.
both those guys made a lot more plays with their feet than Lee
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
Great win
First-God bless Les indeed. I’m very proud of the Tigers; I love the effort they play with play in and play out, that’s a credit to the kids and definitely the coaching staff. JL managed the game exceptionally well, and if his receivers would have been better the perception of his game would have been wayyy more positive nationally. I thought T-Rex was THE player of the game, and Simon is good and will be great by seasons end. Hats off to our OL because I can remember when they were AWFUL; they’ve come a long way and they deserve a great year-and I hope they get it.
Hahaha, people at Addicted to Quack are saying it's a conspiracy
Some are saying that all of their penalties were b.s. and we didn’t have any penalties called against us (Loston’s personal foul? PJ’s holding?).
They also say we STOLE the ball at the bottom of all the fumble scrums. Hilarious!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Sep 4, 2011 5:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That's the whiney crap I expect of fans who boo injured players, but
I think the ball was stolen under the pile! And I’m fine with that.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Sep 4, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
People steal balls in scrum piles all the time
If our big ugly goes Ultimate Warrior on their big ugly at the bottom of a pile…..hey, that’s what they lift weights for. It happens in high school, college, NFL….pretty much anywhere football is played. That’s part of the game.
They got stonewalled after our fumble and had to settle for a FG
and we pounded it in the endzone after every one of theirs. Complain about the turnovers all you want, but that’s a recipe for losing.
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
This is so true.
It’s annoying reading all of the national post game reviews talking about how Oregon LOST the game rather than LSU winning it. Oregon doesn’t fumble those balls if they’re playing against air, they don’t get called for the leg whips unless they got knocked on their butts and had to do something to try and save the play. LSU had its own fair share of tough plays (the fumble, the bogus holding call on PJ that wiped out the long pass), but instead of using them as excuses they always stepped up and made the needed plays.
by Squash on Sep 4, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We did, at least once
Replay seems to show that the Oregon guy fell on the ball, but an LSU guy ended up with it. But that’s what happens sometimes. You’ve got to have a strong want for the ball in those scrums.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Sep 4, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do they want us to concede the ball to them when it's lose?
Men, there's a little crippled boy sitting in a hospital who wants you to win this game. I know because I crippled him myself to inspire you.
"Good" excuses for losing
are still excuses for losing.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I absolutely agree.
The game wasn’t at fault of the officials. Oregon made stupid penalties – which helped stalled many drives against a tremendous defense.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Not all the penalties were BS. I don’t think anyone has said that. Most – all but one of them were earned.
And yes, LSU did steal the bottom of the fumble scrum – but that’s a part of the game.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Well, maybe we invented stealing the ball at the bottom of the pile
like Oregon invented zone blocking ;)
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I like your invention more.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Don't get me wrong
Y’all are defintiely a good team. As much as I enjoyed last night’s win, I was cringing a little bit & the word “dominance” thrown" around so much after the game. I think we dominated the lines a good bit but I would hesitate to call it an overall “dominance.” I would consider the win much more opportunistic than actual dominance.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I didn’t walk away feeling like Oregon was inept (Like I did ’09 Boise State).
Oregon is younger than I expected. The senior first year starter on the O-Line was a little disappointing, and the Ducks’ ball handling was horrible. All presented great opportunities that a great team would capitalize on – and capitalize on the Tigers did.
Despite that, I feel Oregon gave a good fighting effort, but they weren’t firing on all cylinders, which is not good enough against a team that would be difficult to beat even if Oregon was firing on all cylinders.
It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-I-M-P-A-T-I-E-N-T".
"YOU ARE THE KING OF THE AWESOME GUYS, JSHUFELT!!!" - daisyduck
Yup
But I WOULD say that our special teams dominated. I don’t really agree with Richard’s concerns about that group. The gunners were swift and fierce and minded their lanes, Alleman came through with some good range on FGs, and Wing punted the football damn near back to Australia.
Also, that one TO where Reid (or Loston?) snatched the ball off the deflection….that was GREAT reflexes. On replay it looks like “another fortunate miracle for LSU” but if you watch it in real time, that was just as much awesomeness as luck.
So yeah, +4 in the TO margin is pretty much the story of the game for me, not a simplistic undefined “dominance.” BUT LSU is responsible for forcing some of those TOs, it’s not like Oregon handed the game to us.
It's amazing how we did all that
- when we were supposed to be out of gas by the 3rd quarter.
I must create my belief system lest I be enslaved by another - Thomas Paine
by Curtis Bleaux on Sep 4, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like to say
to our SEC friends and foes……hope you like what you see from our DL and our secondary…..most of those guys are freshmen and sophomores. I’m just saying…….
True dat
We are loaded at RB and Def. If Mettenberger and either Rivers or Randall can play, we will be good for some time.
Last year’s class of Mathiue, Simon, Reid, and Vinson culd go down as best DB class ever. Great time to be a Tiger fan!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Sep 4, 2011 9:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys looked superb on Saturday.
The defense is amazing – I think much better than last year at the first game of the season. Your offense is loaded with disciplined talent. Congratulations on the win, and I hope to see you in the nc game this year. That was a fantastic football game.
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