2012 cornerbacks
by MikeDeTiger on Jan 12, 2012 2:31 PM CST
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Just a quick thought I'd like to get some feedback on. With Claiborne gone it's had me thinking about the probable lineup for next season, which I assume right now will be Simon and somebody else. Obviously Chavis will want to keep HB on the field, even if nothing more than a nickel/rover. And he should be on the field because of his knack for disruption. I am wondering if he will ONLY fill that role, or if he'll continue to be a true corner. 80% of the time, I'd be cool with that, but throughout this season I've seen examples here and there of his smaller stature being a bad matchup for us, and it was on display again in the BCS title game. I know McCarron made some great throws and their WRs made some killer grabs, but still, in general Mathieu is not the cover corner that Claiborne or even Simon or Brooks (imo) were. His skills as a ball-stripper are great, but there is such a thing as ball security, and when other team has it, especially with a big, physical receiver, HB is much less effective.
If HB is a primary corner, we'll be fine against most teams, but I believe he'll continue to struggle against elite receivers, especially if there's a QB who can hit some good throws. HB's measurables on the LSU website aren't much different from the other guys, but I have a feeling those are not quite accurate. So, does Chavis employ one of the younger guys (Vinson?) to step up and let HB remain free to roam, or does HB keep his spot as a primary CB? Clearly the coaches love him, and for good reason, but I'm just wondering how the coaches will see fit to keep the secondary at the level it's at right now without Claiborne handling the departed Peterson's role as "Stay The **** Away From My Side Of The Field" guy.
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smash route vs Bama
I know what you mean, but in the NCG, I think you’re pointing to the over the shoulder passes Bama kept completing, where HB7 was man on the guy. If so, there was nothing HB7 could do and having Shaq in coverage wouldn’t have helped if he’s in man.
Simple concept, easy read, low risk & high reward. The QB needs to do two things (1) determine where the safety is (2) read if its zone or man on the twins. If its cover 2 or man and the safety is in his normal spot, the flag route by the slot WR ( some call this a deep fade and some a post… ) is open and he either misses out of bounds or it is a big gain – almost impossible for the underneath coverage to break this up, much less pick off. If its cover 3, the CB is bailing and now the out by the Z is open.
The only way to really stop it is to cheat a safety over the top of the twins or play an odd coverage, such as the slot defender playing off ( such as a cover 2 look but play a cover 3 rolling the safeties one way and the NB takes the deep 3rd ).
HB7 was man on the slot on most of those plays and the safety was not cheated over, ie. we were beat before the snap. Its the kind of plays you would expect us to try to run… but didn’t.
Jalen Collins will be a good one
We have a plethora of young DBs from last year’s class and this year’s. Collins, Jenkins, Turner, White, (one of these may have switched to offense) all could get good playing time. If Tracy Howard comes here, I would imagine he would get a lot of playing time.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
Turner was at WR last I saw
Not sure who White is…don’t know of any DB’s by that name.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 19, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Oh wow. must have mistaken Ronald Martin with Corey White
Ronald Martin went to White Castle. So, maybe I made that mixup there.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
My 2 cents
I have also heard that Jalen Collins has looked good so far. I expect him to see time on special teams next year, and maybe earn himself a role (Dime back?) on Defense.
Obviously, TM7 and Simon will most likely start on the outside, and I look for Simon to make a big jump this year and probably outplay Mathieu as a pure cover corner. I think Simon will eventually be our best CB.
Vinson played last year, but was rarly used this year. Hopefully that is due to our overwhelming talent at DB, rather than Vinson taking a step back. If he hasn’t lost a step, I look for him to also play a significant role on our Defense (Nickel back?).
I have not heared much about Jenkins, but I would guess he may see some action on special teams next year.
As far as incoming Freshman, I have heard some good things about “under the radar” prosepct Jalen Mills. If rumors are true, he may be quite the surprise next year.
Dwayne Thomas is the DB prosepct everyone is talking about who may end up at Safety. Supposedly he has been lighting up all the camps since his High School season ended, and I am very excited to see if he can meet his hype.
Derrick Raymond is another highly talked about DB, who may end up at Safety. He has been mentioned as very raw, but scouts think he has the tools to make a major impact. He has only played Varisty football for 1 year, but he is one of the fastest recruits in the nation.
I don’t know much about Sandolph, except that he is also supposed to be kind of raw and great in run support.
I think TM7 and Simon will definitely be our top two CB’s, with Vinson and possibly Collins as the Nickel and Dime. But we have many great athletes in the Defensive Backfield, so who knows who may make an impact next year.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions
At Safety
I think everyone knows the 2 starters will be Reid and Loston. I could see them moving Reid to FS, and starting Loston at SS.
Ronald Martin received some surprising playing time this year, and may be able to contribute next year. He was a HS QB for a very small 1A school in LA. It’s encouraging to see he has already earned playing time, even though he had very little experience as a DB.
Micah Eugene is another phenomenal athlete who played QB in HS for state champs Acadiana. I have heard great reports about him in practice, and look for him to play a good amount next year.
Gibson is another HS QB from Bama, who was “under the radar”. I have also heard good reports about him , and I think he could contribute next year with some more experience.
Duplessis is a career backup who will see most of his time on Special Teams (like Derrick Bryant).
Overall, we have 2 solid safeties in Reid and Loston, some very promising youngsters in Martin, Eugene and Gibson, and very talented incoming Freshman with Thomas and Raymond. We all know how much The Chief likes to move his DB’s around, and most of these guys seem to fit the mold of either CB or Safety. I am very excited about our DB’s for the next few years.
IN RON COOPER I TRUST!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 AM CST reply actions
Really excited about Micah Eugene
He reminds me of Brandon Taylor from his highschool film. I think he is an eventual starter for this team. He could get some good playing time next season depending on how he and others develop over the offseason.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
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