The Sky is Falling Upward
Since Thursday, January 5th it's been a seemingly endless wave of bad news for LSU. First, coveted safety, Landon Collins, commits to top rival Alabama. Days later, LSU gets drubbed by that same rival. More than merely losing the game, the outcome was embarrassing to many LSU fans. LSU was the first team to ever be shut out in a BCS bowl. They cracked the 50-yard line only once. They failed to accumulate even 100 yards of offense and 4+ years of poor QB play reared it's final painful blow. Two days later, wide receivers coach Billy Gonzalez announced his intentions to leave to take a promotion as offensive coordinator (may not be bad news depending on who you ask). Rumors floated that Kadron Boone is transferring out. Rumors swirled regarding infighting, players being angry at coaches, players being angry at fans, and players being angry at players. This was only aided by a few ill-thought tweets from Russell Shepard and swirling rumors of his pending departure.
Then today, star defensive players Mo Claiborne and Michael Brockers declare for the NFL draft, as well as LSU's most proven and experienced WR, Rueben Randle. The departures weren't altogether unexpected, though most held on to a sliver of hope that Randle and Brockers may decide to return for one last hurrah. Finally, 4-star OT prospect Patrick Miller somewhat unexpectedly swapped him commitment to Auburn and enrolled for classes there today. Though this was likely in the works for weeks, it just seemed to be one more tidbit of bad news for LSU fans.
All of this leads to a lot of questions for Les Miles. Prior to the MNC, Bruce Feldman tweeted that if Miles took down Saban, people needed to legitimately ask if he was the best coach in the country. Today, hordes of LSU fans want him fired, or, at the very least, to give answers: Why didn't Jarrett Lee get a chance? Why was the team so flat? Why did they seem so unprepared? How did the wills of an entire team break, so easily, after a year of being resilient and swaggerific? To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, just what in the hell is going on in Baton Rouge? Miles has questions to answer. But don't expect the answers to come via press conference. After the jump, let's talk about why there is plenty of reason to be optimistic and how every LSU fan should take a few deep breaths and step away from the ledge.
One anthem I constantly remind myself of is that things are rarely as good, or as bad as they seem. Two weeks ago, the entire nation spent a day commenting on how "unfair" it was for LSU to pull the nation's no. 1 QB prospect, arguably their only real team weakness. Today, voices of reason are drowned out by the "Miles is a moron, and we'll never run a good offense" shouts. It's tacitly absurd.
Does Les Miles deserve criticism for the terrible gameplan and preparation on January 9th? Absolutely. Does one pathetic coaching effort suddenly mean he's an awful head coach? Only in the minds of those with some sort of a complex. How soon people forget that dreadful days even the best of coaches have seen. Lord Saban himself dropped a game to ULL, and perhaps even worse, was drummed by a non-AQ team in a BCS Bowl. Urban Meyer coached a below average season at Florida (a season on par with the single worst year of the Miles era) and the product this year didn't suggest it would get any better. Joe Paterno won 4 games once... in 2004. Bobby Bowden limped through the last half-decade of his career. Bill Belichick hasn't won a playoff game in 3 years. Even the best of coaches struggle and fail. And while failing in a Championship Game certainly stings the most, it's hardly the worst kind of failure.
As LSU fans, for us to whine and gripe about the general lack of media respect for Les Miles and then turn around and eat our own is both intellectually dishonest and counter-productive. A good fan should know when and what to criticize. Unfortunately, there are very few good fans (this applies to all fans of all sports at all levels). Modern society only fuels the foolish, knee-jerk reactions and criticisms and the ability for anyone to easily float their every waking thought into public means, endless amounts of stupidity are readily available for all to see. Why, exactly, should the national media respect our head coach, when our own fanbase does not? Coming into the season, most had national championship expectations, but realistically figured this young team with an impossible schedule would hiccup. Suspensions and injuries only backed that opinion. Yet, somehow, Miles and the Tigers didn't just navigate the schedule, they left a path of destruction in their wake. While the ending wasn't ideal this was truly a remarkable season... and one of the most fun I can remember since I started really following LSU football.
Alas, I digress. I don't want to preach. I'd rather appeal to reason. I understand the loss stings, but don't toss all rationality out the window because of it. The program is in stellar shape. We have a stellar head coach that loves our university. We have more talent than perhaps, we've ever had. We're sending 3 high draft picks into the NFL... and they are all underclassmen. Think about that. Through 4 years of dreadful QB play, LSU managed to win 40+ games, 2 bowls and 1 conference championship. Without a respectable QB. Has anyone else accomplished such?
Additionally, the positive vibes shouldn't halt at the the thought of the 2011 team. Many, both fans and national media, suspected 2012 could be an even better team. Rationally, we have little reason to believe that won't be true. Consider the losses and up and comers for next season:
Losses:
-Brandon Taylor, Ron Brooks and Mo Claiborne
Brooks was our 4th CB and two of the guys starting ahead of him will be back. Mo is about as big of a loss as can be imagined, but we said the same thing about Patrick Peterson in 2010. Taylor is a loss from both a leadership and football perspective. Yet, we have safeties crawling out of ears, it seems.
-Ryan Baker, Stefoin Francois, Karnell Hatcher
Of the three, only Baker is the only one who could be considered an "impact" player and even he was strangely absent most of the year. Francois and Hatcher can hardly be considered "losses."
-Michael Brockers and Ken Adams
We lose our best lineman and a sound but hardly overwhelming player whose snaps evaporated as Mingo emerged throughout the year. Too bad the guys behind Brockers are only a few highly-touted freak athletes in Freak Johnson and Ego Ferguson. Whatever shall we do?
-Rueben Randle, Kadron Boone and Russell Shepard (potentially)
Many are concerned with our suddenly evaporated WR depth. Randle is a loss, no matter how you slice it. Boone was surpassed by two true freshman, so that's hardly concerning. Shep flashes potential at times, but he's never emerged as a consistent playmaker. This could mean we enter 2012 with Odell Beckham Jr. and Jarvis Landry as our no. 1 and no. 2 WRs. It seems scary, but WR is a position young guys make impact at all the time.
-Will Blackwell and T-Bob Hebert
Blackwell is a good player, but we have an embarrassment of riches on the OL. T-Bob had a solid career at LSU, but he was a swing backup and more talented, younger players are behind him.
-QBs
Not sure anyone in the world believes we're losing anything here.
All that being said, there's plenty of pieces in place. We should upgrade at QB. We return our entire stable of dominant RBs. The OL stays mostly intact. The DL stays mostly intact. We're impossibly deep in the secondary, so while there will certainly be some drop off losing Mo, we won't exactly be trotting out Chris Hawkins and Jai Eugene.
And to cap it all off, Miles and company are working diligently on closing out a recruiting class which is already top 5, but also circling two or three more highly ranked players that could be immediate contributors. The rich get richer.
Believe it or not, we're not falling impossibly behind Alabama, if at all. The present is bright. The future, even brighter. Miles has questions to answer, but don't expect them to come via a brutally honest press conference. As LSU fans we should all know by now that that's not how he handles things.Year after year we LSU fans seem to find every reason for why Les is slowly losing his grip: first he can't recruit well enough, then the Co-DC debacle, then the inability to beat Bama, Florida, etc. in the same year. Then Gary Crowton. Now it's Jordan Jefferson/Jarrett Lee and overly conservative offense. Yet, somehow, LSU continues to achieve and Les Miles continues to be the winningest coach in LSU history.
So take a deep breath. Step back and enjoy just how stellar LSU football is and has been for the past decade. This is the Golden Era. Try not to waste it by complaining all the time.
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I know it's a totally negative and entitled opinion
But in order to have a “golden age” we’ve gotta win a title. It doesn’t have to be next year, but it does have to be soon. As a comparison, I would say the mid 2000’s Colts probably had a golden age, but if they didn’t win that Superbowl, I doubt I would say that.
I think it’s just what style of fan you are though. Championships mean more to me than a bunch of great years without one. I’m the kind of person that would(if given a fictional choice) trade three 0 win seasons for an undefeated championship season.
Maybe we’ll get it next year, but objectively we look more like Oregon of the past two years where we fall just short and have enough to go into a BCS bowl and win. Replacing a QB isn’t that easy even if our past QB’s weren’t all that good.
You bring up an interesting point
although unrelated to what you were saying. About the QB spot. On the on hand, I agree with Paul and many others that it’s very realistic to believe the QB spot can’t possibly get any worse. So, either the rumors that Mett has looked better than JJ or Lee since he arrived on campus are true…..or they aren’t. If they aren’t, and he’s not a step up, then God help us. If he is comes in and does well next year, it’s really going to make me wonder why we weren’t getting him some more time in our blowout wins and even a shot in the 1st half of the UGA game and the BamaPt2 game. I mean, if it couldn’t have hurt to put Lee in, could it have hurt to put the guy in who’s supposed to be the best looking one of them?
I realize there’s something to be said for having a year in the system under your belt.
We will never really know
I was a big supporter of getting Mett as much playing time as possible this year, mainly because I thought that next year would be “the year”, not this one. But I was shocked at the lack of playing time he received in the beginning of the year, and then was even more shocked at how they handled both him and Lee down the stretch. Not sure exactly what happened with our QB situation this year, but it was surely odd to say the least. I guess we should’ve known things would be strange when JJ was arrested earlier.
I just can’t help but look at the scores, and see the number of blowouts, which gives us the opportunity to play different guys at our weakest position. But that rarely happened. For whatever reason, Miles just wanted JJ on the field. Maybe he was extremely infatuated with his running ability or something, We may never really know what happened to our QB’s this year, but I know Mett will provide better QB play than we’ve had since Flynn left. And we will also never know whether or not he was better than our current QB’s this year, or if he just got a lot better after being here for an enitre year. But after going 3 and out on our first drive in the 2nd Half, and being down 12-0, how can you not play one of our other 2 backups?
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on when you started following, I guess.
We won a title 4 years. And another 4 years before that. 3 trips to BCS title game in 12 years. That’s quite a run.
Eye right blahgs.
Yea I started last year. Can’t control my age.
Even so, I would consider “golden age” either the Patriots 2001-2004(and perhaps a few years after that), or the city of Boston, with a championship in every sport in a decade.
Obviously impossible to match for Louisiana or LSU at this point in time, but we have a good start on it if our wildest dreams come true
3 high draft picks?
Mo is top 5, Brockers late 1st / early 2nd – who else? If RR comes out, I don’t see him going before the 5th, if that high. Honest comparison, he reminds me of Toliver – takes plays off, poor blocker, drops ( about like TT’s senior year ). Obviously he’s limited in our offense these few years, but he doesn’t need a QB to improve his blocking or show effort on routes when he’s not the primary. He really, really needs a big year to improve his stock.
Is Randle gone for sure?
I haven’t seen anything other than “he’s thinking about it” until Paul’s piece here.
Ah well
I would have liked to have seen Randle just one year with a really capable QB (assuming Mett turns out to be).
We all knew Mo C. was gone since the beginning of the season, and like I said, I hate to see Randle go, but I think losing Brockers upsets me the most. (“Upset” is not the right word, but I can’t think of a better one.) I wasn’t really prepared for that at all……when I’ve looked at our D-line and seen how many young guys there were I was expecting to have that same group at least for next year. Seems like RS-sophs don’t usually jump, especially linemen. Guess that just speaks to his talent. We’ve got a history of replacing DTs just fine, but obviously he’s a very good one and the line would be better off with him next year than without him.
by MikeDeTiger on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
By high I meant 1st Day guys
Randle, Mo and Brockers will all go in the 1st 2 rounds. That’s what I meant by “high” picks.
Eye right blahgs.
I agree on Mo and Brockers
Mo is top 5, Brockers is a shocker ( it rhymes! ) for many draft boards and is sky rocketing. I just don’t see RR getting drafted high at all – I’m thinking 5th at the highest.
Most are saying he's a No. 2 now, dunno where you're getting that from
Biggest thing against him is that he’s behind guys like Justin Blackmon, Alshon Jeffery, Michael Floyd, etc…
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 15, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Multiple outlets are saying Brockers might even go top 10.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Pro Football Weekly
Says Brockers is the #1 DT and top 15 overall. Not sure about RR because he hasn’t “officially” declared yet
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Humanoids don't change
The same idiots that hate Miles would hate any coach at LSU. They never think anyone is good. The same fools who hate Miles hated Saban when he was here, and then screamed when he left. They are incapable of just enjoying the teams and seasons because their real purpose is not to be a fan, it is to complain. Endlessly.
Who would these geniuses replace Miles with? Other than Urban Meyer (who had Tebow and Chris Leak for a 4 year span) and Saban who else is better? What other coach can hold a candle to Miles? No one. Unless you want Tressel….
It will be fine, I am very excited to see what LSU can do with a couple of real QBs next year.
GeauxTigers!
They will always be there
I’m sure if I rooted around long enough in my attic I could find a Help Mac Pack bumper sticker that they were handing out before the home games in 1973.
It's easy to get caught up....
In all the fall out from Monday. I mean, you’d think a bomb went off and what we’re left now is rubble and mess. It was very disappointing the way the game went, and the season ended, but we were RIGHT THERE.
Some people say “Well damn if we couldn’t win Monday night we’ll never win it!” As you mentioned, teams lose Super Bowls. The Rangers have lost the World Series TWO YEARS IN A ROW. Teams lose the big one. Alabama has lost the big one. In order to lose the Championship you have to get there, and I’ll be damned if I wouldn’t rather get there than not be a factor at all.
The staff deserves it’s criticism, and the outrage is understandable. I just hate to see fans act like the program is falling completely apart. It’s been a wave of bad news, and it was a wave of bad news in August..
I guess people feel that players a fighting and angry and that next season will be terrible. They feel as if we’ve been caught in a black hole where success is not possible.
2011 #1 LSU 13-0 SEC Champions
Most concerning is the rift between the players
And also between the players and caoching staff. Not sure how much of all that is true, but any sense of turmoil right now, could definitely linger into next season. It’s hard to believe it is that bad though, seeing how great we performed AS A TEAM throughout the regular season. I’m sure there’s a lot of frustration and all, but I don’t think these guys will let it affect them in the future. Hopefully they will use this game as a lesson, and come out even stronger next year.
And I completely agree, we should be proud that we were ven fortunate enough to be in the NC Game on Monday. Though the outcome wasn’t what we wanted, many other programs would kill for a shot to compete in the NC Game. There is nothing to be ashamed of, we had a fantastic season and the future only looks brighter!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Lee gave a radio interview that made me feel much better.
He packed and bolted school…to get to the Sr. Bowl training camp in AZ. His interview killed any thoughts of some kind of fundamental rift in the team. He praised Miles and backed JJ, while saying he wished he had a shot.
Also, I put up with 30 min of PAAAUUULLL F to hear about his “inside” info on the trouble in the locker room. (Damn that show should be picketed by the AL tourism commission, or the Education Brd) I don’t know what he origianlly said, but he clearly stated that he “heard from an asst coach” something about “JJ in the locker room” that was “upsetting”. Well no shit! This is not a mutiny, this is a bunch of tired, pissed players.
We are fine, Miles has a strong locker room.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed Paul, I think it's always harder when things seem to all of a sudden be going the other direction to start freaking out
As someone who attended the National Championship game, I was frustrated, pissed and sad throughout the game and directly after but now 4 days later I honestly cannot think of many better coached teams out there than LSU. I am a fan today and if the 2012 season started friday I would be just as excited as I will be in September. Always like your articles Paul.
I hate to disagree with you, but...
I honestly cannot think of many better coached teams out there than LSU
I am not sure how anyone can say this after what has happened in the last two games. I think we all agree that we had a very talented team this season. It seems impossible that a team as talented as ours could have been held to no first downs in the entire 1st half of the SECCG. Then, after 38 days or so, the offensive game plan against the best defense in the country (not in BR) was to make them defend approximately 10% of the field. Apparently, our approach was to fool Bama by running our inside runners wide, and our option running backs to the inside. Of course, we gave over half of the carries in the game to our worst RB…JJ. On top of everything else, when it was obvious to everyone that was watching the game that we had no chance to win with JJ, he played every offensive snap. I cannot imagine that another coach in America would not have gone to the 2nd string QB that ended the season as the conference leader in passing efficiency.
I think the reason that many LSU fans are outraged is that they suspected that Miles would bench Lee the 1st chance he got, despite what Miles said in interviews, and that is exactly what happened. After he made the change, the offensive attack regressed and became completely one-dimensional. I think we all expected Miles to pull out all the stops in the ultimate game, and he failed to pull out any stops and instead seemed to throw in the towel mid-way through the 3rd quarter. His failure to address all of these issues after the game, coupled with JJ’s pronouncement that he played well and made great decisions with the ball, have made it very difficult for most LSU fans to accept what happened.
by Houseplants on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely thought
that Miles would pull out all the stops in the “Big Game”. But you are right, he was more conservative than ever. FB Dives in the 4th qtr? Punting late in the game? This surely wasn’t the Les that we have grown to love (and hate) over the past few years.
And not sure what his obession with JJ was…Les immediately allowed him back on the team after charges were lowered, and immediately played him the following game. We should have known then that Lee’s days were numbered.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
Miles was a huge fan of JJ, I don't know why.
I posted after JJ’s first game appearance that Lee was going into the backup slot, and most disagreed. But I the reason is very simple, even if Bobby Hebert can’t understand it. Miles said rather plainly that JJ “throws in a like manner” to Lee, but is mobile. We all understand what that means in English.
“I watch these guys every day for 18 hrs a day on film and live. JJ can throw as well as Lee when he has time, and he can run when he doesn’t. Simply stated, I think JJ is the best QB we have so that’s who I play.”
I don’t agree, but what the F do I know. I do know that Lee’s two Int’s in Game 1 did not give me any confidence that he would do better Monday, when Bama was dominating the line of scrimmage.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
I would like to propose that going forward, the starting quarterbacks from the past season
Shall be redacted. [Quarterbacks redacted]. I think we’ll all be healthier.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
So seconded
I appreciate what both contributed to the program after both being thrust into bad positions, but the happiness from [Quarterbacks Redacted] being gone helps to ease some of my sadness from the title game.
I don't think I'm one of the "sky is falling" people
But to me what hurts so much about Monday night is what we left at the table…This team had a chance to be one of the best of all time. To shut up Alabama fans and beat them TWICE in a year. For Miles to beat SABAN twice in a year! That would probably have resulted in Miles being respected as much as Saban…to me it isn’t even all the crap off the field before (Collins) and after (players leaving) that hurts. It’s the opportunity that was there, and now it won’t be again.
I honestly think that if some people (and I'm talking about message board posters)
Actually read aloud what they’ve typed out at various points in the last week, they’d stop and think “Holy crap…that sounds stupid.”
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why do you have to make personal attacks against me Billy?
;-)
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Are you the one who "accidentally stumbled into the LSU locker room" Monday night
and witnessed the donnybrook, Zimm?
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 13, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
No, but a "source close to the program" told me Paaauuuull F actually got jumped near the LSU locker room by
a small white LSU waterboy, that PF mistook for JJ. Apparently JJ looks like a lot of people.
The funniest thing about that stupid ass report was him acting like he was James Bond for getting to the LSU locker room. I saw no less that 24 reporters in there on the various local and national news stations interviewing RR, JJ, MoC, T-Rex, Broockers, etc. None looked bloody. That dude is such a bad excuse for a journalist.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Jan 13, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
F-Bomb is a professional troll
Even the bammers on TD will tell you that.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
by wadewilson on Jan 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, all the Bama fans on TD have been banned from tidefans
So they’re level-headed already.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
I trust you guys a lot more than the crazies at Tigerdroppings...
How much stock would you put into the rumors of a fight in the locker room or a fight between players and Coach Miles?
2011 #1 LSU 13-0 SEC Champions
There's enough smoke...
That something probably happened. Now, to what extent, I’m not sure. I would suggest a lot of it means nothing… just high emotions/frustrations lead to some bickering, etc. Realistically, we’ll never know. But a lot of the stories I’ve heard seem extreme and stupid.
Eye right blahgs.
Said it before, I'll say it again
I have a really hard time believing there’s been some sort of hidden riff on a team that played this together for 13 games, while going through all the stuff they went through. There were several other times they could’ve come apart too.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 13, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
And just remember something
On some of these theories — just repeat them aloud to yourself, and I’m pretty sure that for all of us there will be a voice in your head that says “wait…really?”
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
I concur
The team played way too well together in the prior 13 games to think that they all of sudden they are fighting because of 1 poor performance. The players are probably furstrated and disappointed with the game, and I hope they are. We want our players to not be satisfied with the way this season ended, but I don’t think there is anything real serious going on behind closed doors.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hanagriff and company
Just shut down all the big rumors going around by having Gordy Rush come on and say what he saw at the locker room.
He went on to call fans looking for rumors and conspiracy, “Alabama fans”
2011 #1 LSU 13-0 SEC Champions
now that's just silly
the more cohesive LSU the lsu team appears to have been in that game, the better the win looks.
SB Nation's The Historical: Because all those games way back when matter.
It's not the players I'm worried about
I have no doubt they’re frustrated, as they should be. It’s the coaches……starting with the Head Coach. I have NEVER been a Miles-basher and pride myself on having always viewed him as objectively as possible. Over the years, there’s so much to like about the dude. But he’s not perfect, and his biggest drawback, imo, is that he’s one of the most hard-headed people I’ve ever seen. Once he’s got something in his head, that’s how it’s gonna be, no matter what. It’s what made him reluctant to get rid of Crowton and it’s what makes him reluctant to bench JJ……or tell KragStud to switch up the game plan.
I hope the COACHES are adequately frustrated and disappointed—all of them—such that they are determined to never let this happen again. To know that they can’t show up with a shit plan, and be caught looking like a deer in headlights if that shit plan goes to shit on them.
Well, unfortunately
that hard-headedness is his prerogative. It’s not like that’s an unusual trait in a coach.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 13, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Fights in the lockerroom are one of the most overblown things in all of sports
You have 130-odd competitive people “living” together for months at a time. Not everything is a Disney movie where everybody is all luck love & lollipops all the time, especially after a loss. Especially in this day & age where u can vent to the world immediately on several social networks as it happens. However, just because you post something immediately on Twitter, et al., it doesn’t mean it’s not the same, dumb emotional heat of the moment comment that grandpa said 50 yrs ago that was just as dumb & thoughtless & emotional but only the family heard it.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 13, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Something happened
But I think it was more from the frustration of the game. Any grudge you’ve been nursing all season can come out in a highly charged emotional moment like that. Everyone was rightly pissed and disappointed. I’d be shocked if players didn’t say alone things they now regret.
That said, what happens in the locker room should stay there. And I wouldn’t read too much into the loser’s locker room immediately after the game when tensions are highest. Let’s see how they act over the course of the offseason. If there was a rift, well those players are likely gone anyway so let’s not look backwards.
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by Poseur on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
The draft
I’m of the opinion that any player who is a likely first rounder should never be criticized for leaving early. So Brockers and Mo should be off the table. But the receivers?
I understand they are frustrated and they can rightly claim to be let down by spotty QB play over the past four years. But they are both making a poor choice. Shep will be lucky to be drafted at all. Smallish receivers with questionable hands and poor productivity are not in a high demand in the NFL. I’ll be surprised if he gets drafted at all.
Randle will likely go in the 2nd or 3rd round but I honestly believe he has 1st round talent. If he stayed and had a big senior year, he could go in the 1st round and more importantly to him, get a contract worth several million dollars more than the one he will get as a later pick this year. I like Randle a lot and I really do get his frustration, but I think he’s costing himself millions of dollars by leaving early. He really could improve his draft stock, especially with a year of Mett throwing him in the ball.
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by Poseur on Jan 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I saw that Terrance Tolliver Tweeted RR and RS:
“I regret not declaring for the draft my junior year thinking that I could have a better year but no that didn’t happen”
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well TT can't really blame LSU, the QBs, or the coaches, or anything
I mean, yeah, the QB play didn’t help him, but he had plenty of his own problems. Not a single thing or person at LSU caused Toliver to do poorly in workouts and at the combine and make NFL scouts pass on him.
Agree totally
NFL is pretty much a league obsessed with measureables. Players too small, too big, too slow, etc. etc. etc. Toliver runs fast enough to be an NFL WR. He’s got the size. If NFL executives really thought his struggles were all related to QB play, he’d be on a roster right now.
Eye right blahgs.
Toliver...
… still managing to be a team cancer from outside the locker room. If Shep doesn’t think he can improve on his season, he has no business playing in the NFL. Randle should also improve his numbers if he had returned, just because I honestly believe he IS a first round talent.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
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Exactly
Look at Calvin Johnson, i.e. “Megatron”……he had REGGIE FREAKING BALL throwing him the ball in college. Reggie Ball is one of the worst college QBs I’ve ever seen. But the NFL still realized his football prowess and he apparently excelled enough in workouts to get a job in the league. If Ball didn’t keep Johnson out of the league, our QBs didn’t keep TT out of the league. Sounds like he’s bitter about being mostly a bust.
"especially with a year of Mett throwing him in the ball"
That’s the part I’m worried about.
On one hand, if Mett turns out to not be very good, then the disappointment of yet another bad QB ( from talent or coaching – whatever ) will depress me next year.
On the other hand, if he really is that good, I’m pissed all over again about this year and him not playing!
Basically… I’m screwed….
I get all the rational and realistic information I need here.
Thank you for being a beacon of sanity.
Since Monday night, watching the TigerDroppings Board re-melt itself on a daily basis is the most Offseason thing ever. I love it.
Forever LSU, 'cause that's how we roll.
There are a few people on the board who are rational.
So it’s not all bad.
Forever LSU, 'cause that's how we roll.
Encourage your friends to join ATVS, that will improve the traffic.
RTR always has 2 to 3 x comments ( not just when they beat us ).
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 13, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Always welcome to join us here guys.
The more the merrier.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
True that.
It’s just that you have to really pick through the poo to find the golden nuggets sometimes. And other times what you thought to be a golden nugget turns out to just be a kernel of corn.
Wait, what was I pontificating about?
TD just needs more mods
And a lot less Bama and Arkansas posters.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
So take a deep breath. Step back and enjoy just how stellar LSU football is and has been for the past decade. This is the Golden Era. Try not to waste it by complaining all the time.
Well said and LSU is on solid ground with plenty of good players coming back and another good recruiting class. Use that Natty experience as motivation Tigers! the Tide got whupped in NO by the Utes not that long ago also.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I believe that your last comment bothered me most. Alabama has won 2 BCS Championships in three years.
And we still point back to that Sugar Bowl. What will we have to do get this stink off of us?
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 13, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is tough to get that close to perfection and not get there...
but the only good thing that can come out of that game for the players is to use it as motivation, nothing else to get from it. As a fan, I’m over it and already looking forward to next year. We have it good (where the program is at) and anyone who disagrees does not know what bad is or really even mediocre.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Y'all send some Tiger love to those of us in hostile territory.
I’m waiting to wake up and find my wife has put “21-Eaux” on my forehead in magic marker. I have heard the 50 yd line joke 100 times and counting. Children point at me and laugh. Wait, they did that before. I need to hear that those of you in the cradle of LSU are still optimistic.
"The more important the game, the more sincere the contact." Les Miles
by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 13, 2012 8:22 AM CST reply actions
I can't even fathom what you and Pittman have to put up with
You have my deepest sympathies
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Hang in there!
I was at Ft. Rucker in 1970 – the year LSU defeated both Alabama and Auburn. All those Alabama folks were strangely silent around me. Time will tell. A bit of objective analysis reveals that Saban doesn’t win them all.
by dbtexas on Jan 13, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm
I’m waiting to wake up and find my wife has put "21-Eaux" on my forehead in magic marker.
Grounds for divorce, IMO
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
Kudos for a great year!
Granted, you didn’t go quite as far as your would have liked, but you had a great year and you are in an enviable position to do even more next year. Think of the poor Vols. What do you think they wouldn’t do to have your record these last couple of years and the future that seems likely with you?
I congratulate you on the success you have had and on the class which your team has shown this year… from Bama fan in Tennessee
Probably the best article I've seen here.
Maybe its old age, but our fan base is losing sight of the forest for the trees. Monday sucked on so many levels I won’t even try to summarize. But how great is it that we as a fanbase are unhappy with the outcome? How long ago was it that a we would just wanted to not get blown out in a game of LSU v. one of the best teams in recent history? Sure, happening a few miles from my home and in a championship setting is kick to the balls, but come on.
Our team was debated as one of the greatest of all time based on a 13-0 finish. We beat Saban at in T-town in a heavy-weight slugfest. We have top-10 recruiting classes stacked up. This is a rare and special time. Approx 112 teams in 1-A are envious of us, and the others are scared of us. Miles has always addressed holes after the season and I have to think he will fix the offense.
Take a breath and realize how great we are. It has not always been that way, and it will not always be that way. The Hallman and DiNardo years are not so far away. Miles’ exit is not so far in the future.
Be proud, we are creating a new “natural order” of things. Get behind it, or get out of the way.
"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles
by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 AM CST reply actions
Wow!
What a great article – well written. Are you certain you are a real sports fan? Way too articulate (pardon the sarcasm). I’ve been a diehard LSU fan for well over fifty years, through feast and famine. Suffice to say I was as devastated as anyone last Monday evening, especially given the memories from the Bear Bryant era. But, the sun did appear the following morning. I am anxious and excited about next season – will be a faithful fan until the last breath. All of that said, I would still have given Jarrett Lee a shot. Thanks for your insightful, reasoned commentary. Look forward to many more in the future.
Word.
I agree. I’m not old by fan standards at all, but my first year at LSU was, I think, Saban’s second. We could still lose 4 games and it was NBD. We’d lose, and all shrug, and go out for pizza. I remember the Georgia ’03 game (still my single favorite game at Tiger Stadium ever, for the following reason:) as the first time I ever thought to myself, "Holy crap! We can actually beat a RANKED TEAM. Like TOP TEN RANKED." Now, we lose a game, and I can barely scrape myself off the floor for a week. I’m glad I can still remember losing not destroying me like it does now (though after Monday, I found myself thinking fondly of losing to Auburn in a close, tightly contested scrapper of a game last year….c’est la vie!) This year, we beat Arkansas ranked at #3 and all yawned.
by pennybackLSU on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
To go on and on about it...
Furthermore, I was listening to a podcast (I think The Solid Verbal), and they were discussing the coaching change circus, and how desperate some teams are [coughPennStatecough] for even a mediocre coach, and listed the VERY FEW elite college coaches—truly elite and proven. That list was Saban, Miles, Meyer, maybe Chip Kelley….and that was about it. We have one of the top 4-5 elite coaches in the country AS OUR COACH. COACHING US. Certainly Monday was a big gaping, inexplicable black mark, but we all need to HALT! (As my mom always told me, Never make a major life decision if you are Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired!) Miles is 2/3 in the last 3 meetings with Saban, and you better believe next year’s Bama game will be intense. We finally have a new qb, who, even if he’s rusty or starts slow, at least will not be [redacted] or [redacted] finally, for the first time in 167 years. This year was amazing, I’m ready for several months of calmly doing paint-by-numbers on Saturdays, and then I’ll show up wearing tiger facepaint at the spring game. GEAUX GEAUX GEAUX!
by pennybackLSU on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
Great Post, Penny
i agree with everything you just said. Twice. I’ve been telling everybody at work to take a long deep breath …
by PromNightDumpsterBaby on Jan 13, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Great posts
I felt the exact same in that UGA game. IT was the first time I realized, “HOLY COW WE”RE AWESOME!"
The circle of elite coaches is certainly small. Miles has sustained his success far long enough, with his own recruits and various coordinators, for us to know that he’s not “Larry Coker” or some other person with one or two great seasons under their belt.
And even the best coaches have debacles.
Eye right blahgs.
This is brilliant
“Never make a major life decision if you are Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired!”
Oh if I could’ve heeded that when I was younger
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 13, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Great posts Penny
I definitely remember that UGA game thinking – wow, I can’t believe we are this good.
It occurs to me that bama had a humbling loss to a Tebow-led Florida before they really cracked the next level.
Perhaps this was our “Florida”.
I very much look forward to finding out.
I was at the Georgia game too
It was still the best LSU game I have ever been too.
I still believe that they announced over 100,000 fans in attendance for that game. I remeber standing in the student section, with the band. There were so many people there, we actually had to stand eith the band to all fit.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
As I like to say every now and then...
“Hey, it isn’t like we have Lou Tepper trotting a ‘drop linebacker’ out there now.”
My first year was Dinardo’s first. The 97 Florida game still has a special place in my heart. That was back when the prospect of our annual matchup still put the fear of Spurrier in our hearts and minds lol. How the times have changed.
At times I feel like a football fan in make-believe land when I look at the state of our program now.
As a side note, during Saban’s entire time at LSU I was the most miserable fan in the world. I took the losses hard. With Dinardo, well, hell, we got used to losing. That didn’t sting so much. Under Miles though I seem to go into every game fairly calm while fired up with a good feeling of confidence for a win. (and apparently I can mangle a phrase just as well as Coach too)
Any way you look at it, you made great posts above and below. For next season’s Bama game(s) I predict “There will be blood!”
Cut my veins, I still bleed Purple and Gold
by CounterAttack on Jan 13, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Preach on Brother
Was at LSU on your same time line and in HS in BR for Hallman (shudder). It always funny to see younger LSU fans’ perspectives because winning big is all they know. We on the other hand know you are always just a bad hire away from irrelevance in this league. I have had my issues with Les but recently I am behind him 100% only because (1) I don’t think there could be a better fit, and (2) our program is in such great shape under his supervision.
Thomas Dunson still haunts my dreams from time to time.
-1
you mentioned Th*m*s D*ns*n. Drink! J/k. One of the most pathetic things I’ve seen in my life was Dunson trying to cover Travis Taylor man to man & getting burned…
I started school during the Hallman years… 13-1 with a guy who “is lucky” is still a good time to me.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 13, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
For some perspective for what its worth . .
I’m a Tide fan with a lot of LSU friends and family (and spouse for that matter) so I can understand the rage (as I am hearing it almost hourly). But just think about Saban blowing a 24 point lead in Tuscaloosa to the Barn in 2010 — that may not be quite the Monday night debacle but its close to being in the same discussion for total meltdown by Tide fans. So this too will pass. What LSU has accomplished in the last decade has probably elevated it from a coaching standpoint to a top 5 job in the country (and probably tied with Georgia and Florida for best jobs in the SEC) so the future is bright from that standpoint.
by Son of Roaring Dan on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions
I'm a Tide fan too
as most know and I haven’t forgotten that this LSU team beat this Bama team in Tuscaloosa. Haven’t forgotten about six other absolute ass whippings handed out by LSU, either. I’m a Jarrett Lee fan, always thought he was put in bad situations behind the chains (and behind on the scoreboard) too much; but I don’t believe his particular skillset could have helped last Monday (against the two deep, zone-under, with the d-line getting good push)? Nah. You think maybe roll the dice, but Coach Miles probably made that decision about three or four weeks before the Georgia game.
What other ass whippings has LSU handed us out?
You mean like 2001 in which we gave up over 500 yards in the air and over 600 total yards? That was a nightmare. Now what was the name of the LSU coach back then? Wish I could forget the name of the Bama coach.
We got killed. But I find the close losses more difficult—16-13, 24-21, 9-6—to accept.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he meant
the ass whippings we handed out to other teams this year…not Bama
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 14, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
I think you’re right.
And I had flashbacks to 2001 over nothing.
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
(12-4)+2=12 hoping for a +1
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Jan 14, 2012 5:22 AM CST up reply actions
That's natural
An ass-whooping is always easy to get over. I still remember looking at the tv during the Florida game in 08 when the score was 51-21 and saying “well DAMN.” I got over it.
No, losing a close game or a game where your team was never in it at all is much harder. I’ll get hate for this but I wish Bama had scored a touchdown on us every time they went downfield instead of 5 field goals. If you’re gonna lose, lose gloriously.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
BCS
I’ve hated losing to the gumps since I was a lad in the 70s while listening to WWL on the radio. Les is loyal to a fault and I wish he would have seen the light to recruit more than one quality qb prior to last year. As for Randle-good riddance. He hates blocking and I still don’t like how he only came to LSU if the other recruits went elsewhere. OBJ plays harder and will block. More balls will come his way now. Go Tigers and Saints.
I wish I had written this article
Just wanted to say that, Paul.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
We all wish we had written this article
but clearly it takes a man who has QB’d a prison football team against his jailers to provide us with the voice of reason.
This has nothing on the Muppets!
I mean that.
Eye right blahgs.
by Paul Crewe on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah but....
I literally had a draft of a Delusional Optimism post saying essentially the same thing nearly completed. Then you post this and all I could do was Select All and hit delete. You hit every base.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
I self-indulgently tweet @ATVSPoseur
by Poseur on Jan 14, 2012 9:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
oops!
I should have coordinated better.
Eye right blahgs.
by Paul Crewe on Jan 14, 2012 1:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wish I could rec from my phone!
Eye right blahgs.
by Paul Crewe on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions

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