Recruiting Update: Gunner OH NOOOOOOZZZZ!
Sorry for the less than timely posting, work took me out behind the shack and gave me the Bama treatment (too soon?). In a bit of shocking and depressing news, Gunner Kiel officially decommitted/switched/became a Domer on Tuesday after pledging to LSU around Christmas.
To many, the decision wasn't altogether shocking, as his family pulls were always strong. However, the news seemingly couldn't have broken at a worse time. And so it capped the seemingly endless black cloud which hovered over the program post [Game Redacted]. LSU's class remains QB-less for the moment. It's a tough pill to swallow, but I do believe it's best that Gunner made this decision now rather coming to LSU and leaving after a single semester or year. In the end, Gunner was always a long shot for LSU and having his commitment was an exciting moment.
Regardless, recruiting season chugs forward and Miles has been actively hitting the road trying to secure more signatures for the purple and gold. Who is left on the board and what are our chances? More after the jump.
What to do at QB?
With Gunner out, the lone QB target left is Jeremy Liggins from Oxford, MS. Liggins is a big, strong kid (listed at 6'3, 270). But, many question his ability to play QB at the next level. At this point, he's a better athlete than QB. He's a prolific runner who actually flashes exceptional wiggle and good long speed (yes, even at 270 pounds). He's a physical specimen, to say the least.
However, his throwing ability is limited at this point. Liggins carries the reputation of being a great leader/field general. He shows pretty good touch, but is only asked to make a limited number of throws at the HS level. It's tough to say what type of player he could be at the next level. To me, he looks more like Brandon Jacobs than a QB. But, seeing as how he's the lone remaining QB prospect on the board, there's a chance Les could put on a heavier press for his services.
The staff may try to go back and woo Anthony Alford (who committed to Southern Miss at the Army All-American game), but chances are his mind is made up (and he's likely to play pro baseball anyhow).
If not Liggins or Alford, I imagine the staff will be content to not have a QB in this class. There really aren't any other LSU quality players out there.
Who's Left on the Board?
For my money, Edwards is the no. 1 player in the 2012 class. I think Dorial Green-Beckham will end up being a disappointment. Edwards is a freak of nature who is already built like an NFL DE. At 6'4, 275, he's ready to play from day one. He has the potential to be a combo DL. In the Under Armour practices and games, he proved he has the burst, speed and agility to play on the outside and the strength to play on the interior, if necessary.
Edwards has been committed to Florida State (his father's alma mater) since March of 2011. Murmurings over the past few months are that Edwards may be re-thinking his decision in hopes of staying closer to home (he lives in Denton, TX). For a while, Texas was in hot pursuit, however, news dropped today that Edwards has officially eliminated them.
Les Miles spent some time in Denton last night visiting with Edwards and family. Edwards is set to visit this weekend, but Jimbo Fisher may be heading to Texas today to attempt to halt that visit. If Edwards gets to campus, there's no telling if it's merely the kid enjoying the good food and fun of a recruiting visit or if his interest is legitimate.
My impression: Edwards has some interest in LSU, but he is unlikely to switch his commitment UNLESS his preference for remaining closer to home is a lot stronger than people think.
Howard is arguably the top corner prospect in the country. He's been widely considered a Florida lean throughout the recruiting process. He created some buzz during the Army All-American game when he declared in an interview that he might be favoring LSU. Additionally, a YouTube video of him saying he was "feeling them Tigers" stirred greater interest.
However, in a recent interview, Howard said he hasn't talked to LSU much. Billy Gonzalez was his primary point of contact. He was originally scheduled to visit Baton Rouge this weekend, but since replaced it with a trip to Gainesville. He could possibly be coming for a visit on the 27th.
My impression: I'll be shocked if Howard picks LSU. His declarations about loving the school seemed more to be coming from someone trying to drum up interest in an otherwise uninteresting announcement.
Alexander is a player I was a huge fan of coming into the 2011 season. On tape he's explosive, disruptive and a dynamite hitter. As the season played out, his stock dropped. Some question his ability to cover, though his athleticism seems to suggest he can improve in that regard.
That being said, he torn his ACL in September, which may also be tied to his drop. Alexander has long been thought to favor an Alabama school, namely Auburn, but recent murmurings suggest he may have a strong interest in LSU. I think he's a dynamite player.
My impression: Not sure what to think on Kwon. LSU is already swimming in LB commits, so it doesn't seem to add up that he'd come here. Additionally, one of the remaining targets left for us is another LB.
Phillips is an in-state LB who was once committed to A&M, then Florida. But he's all LSU.
My impression: Phillips will commit.
Jeremy was a member of the 2011 class who ran into legal issues and spent the 2011 season sitting out to deal with that process. Not too long ago Hill's charges were reduced to a misdemeanor. He's currently enrolled and will be a member of the 2012 class.
My impression: I imagine this won't be a popular decision with some people. Hill is one helluva RB. Many liked him over Kenny Hilliard. However, Hill's legal process is now sorted, and I'm of the opinion that he should be given a second chance (with a very strict set of guidelines). LSU's RB core is currently deeper than it's ever been, so there's no telling what type of playing time Hill has in store, but I do believe he will step on campus hungry to get back to playing ball.
Patterson is a late-emerging name for LSU, but the JUCO WR draws rave reviews. He's a big-bodied WR (6'4, 205) with elite speed. When I turn on the tape, I'm blown away by his suddenness and ability to burn it deep. The kid can really, really run. Unfortunately, he runs a pretty limited route tree from the tape I've seen, so it's tough to make an evaluation on his other abilities. Scout lists his strengths as his speed and his hands, but notes that his route running is an area for improvement.
His primary suitors are Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss and LSU. Many people thought Patterson may have only been a target if Shepard and Boone left. With the news of them returning, many figured he may drop off the list. However, Patterson is scheduled to visit next weekend.
My impression: I believe Patterson will pick us. That is based on zero inside knowledge or information. Patterson to LSU simply makes sense to me. LSU is in need of a big, physical WR for next year. Patterson fits that bill perfectly.
At the end of the day, unless LSU pulls some major surprises like Edwards, Howard, and Kwon, this will go down as a pretty good, not great, class. I think players like Danielle Hunter and Vadal Alexander remain slightly underrated, but the concerning aspect may be the lack of true difference makers (those two best fit the bill IMO). That being said, the staff has shown a penchant for talent evaluation in recent years and lesser recruited players like Mo Claiborne, Tyrann Mathieu, and Bennie Logan have emerged as very good players.
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The thing I think to watch with Edwards is whether his folks come in with him this weekend. If they do, he has some legit interest and things will be interesting in the next few days. If not, then I think Mario is enjoying a free trip and some Texas de Brazil.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Can't blame him for wanting a free trip to Texas de Brazil...
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
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by LSU Jonno on Jan 20, 2012 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Miles needs to finish with a splash on signing day.
Tiger nation needs some good news. Landing Edwards and Howard would bring this class from mediocre by SEC standards back to pretty good.
Yeah, yeah two guys don’t make or break you, but this class is really lacking star power/excitement right now.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
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At this point I think it's more a perception thing than anything
people in Baton Rouge just need something that helps them decompress.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I think perception is about 90% of it,
But on an absolute scale built on probabilities, this class doesn’t seem up to par with some of our recent classes.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
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Yeah, but for most folks (not singling out you in particular)
this is still REALLY about Jan. 9. A win there and nobody would really care about Collins leaving or losing Kiel.
But the bottom line for LSU recruiting, is it’s always going to rise and fall on the strength of the in-state class, which isn’t nearly as deep this year as past years.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
One guy I forgot to mention...
Corey Thompson. He plays safety in HS, but could be a LB at the next level. He’s coming in for a visit this weekend.
Eye right blahgs.
I know Class Rankings don't mean much
But Rivals dropped us all the way from 6 to 20 after Kiel and Miller decomitted. I know we probably have a few undervalued commits, but we are definitely lacking any star power in this class. Whereas other SEC schools seem to be blowing us out of the water if you look at the “Stars” comparison.
And if you look at DanyDon, his 2 top prospect in LA (Collins and Devall) are both going to Bama. It’s definitely not good when you lose your 2 best players in the state to your biggest competitor. We have to finish strong and sign at least 2 top recruits that you mentioned above, or this may be the weakest LSU class in the past decade.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 AM CST reply actions
I have a lot of questions about how class rankings get formulated
after last year’s laughably low ranking for how good of a class that was. And again, if one player can drop you 14 spots, that tells me you’re doing it wrong.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
But to be fair, they counted losing both Kiel and Miller.
I’m more upset that we lost 2 of the top players in the state to our archnemesis. It doesn’t matter the reason, it still stings real bad (especially when you couple it with Jan 9)
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 20, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Can't disagree
Duvall, honestly he’s a better fit at Bama, and from what I’m told just absolutely wants to get out of state.
Collins…that’s just a mess and the less that gets said about him at this point, the better.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I will say this
The ranking should spike with the additions of Hill (who is already enrolled) and Phillips (who is a done deal per the analysts), and then the guys left out there are all 4-stars or better I believe — Patterson, Edwards, Howard, Thompson and Alexander. And we’re definitely not getting all 5 of those (I don’t believe we’re even seriously after Tracy Howard anymore, based on what I’ve read), but I think there’s a good shot we at least get 2 of them.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
well some of our guys got stars bumped on rivals
but idc. rivals sucks now anyway. 247 is the way to go especially when they get Sheadixon.
LSU is an 800 lb gorilla. With a chainsaw as a penis.
"Legal problems are sorted out"
Funny how forcing someone to perform oral sex on you gets dropped to a misdemeanor.
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by BRSaintsFan on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That is for the courts to decide, not us.
And we’re not going to speculate.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Recruiting gives me a headache, y'all figure it out and let me know in March.
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by lsufanfrommobile on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions
Glad I'm not the only one!
I’d also add, recruiting is always shady & a little creepy to me.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 20, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I hate recruiting
I actually prefer watching NFL now. Aside from LSU, I can count on 1 hand the number of college games I watched this year. I probably watched 3 or 4 NFL games every weekend.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
The lack of QB....
Is a bit troubling. I don’t know how much I like this Liggins guy. He seems to have the same characteristics of Jordan Jefferson minus the weight. Hearing he has limited throwing ability is discouraging.
Perhaps he will simply provide us depth. I do agree with the above psoter on this class lacking star power, however I trust our coaches and their ability to evaluate talent. I think if we were to get Edwards and/or Patterson, it would blow the class up to that upper level.
I LOVE that we stocked up on solid LBs, seemed to be something we were missing. Now, I feel we may lack in the Center position.
The Sky is not falling
I will say that Liggins at least looks athletic enough to maybe move positions.
But I don’t think it’s the end of the world if this class doesn’t bring in a QB. It will make one a 100% gots-to-get need for 2013 though.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
We would definitely need a QB in 2013
Do you know of any guys that we may be already targeting?
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Early name to watch is Riley Ferguson
They got on him really young. Kid’s from North Carolina I believe.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Tim Tebow had limited throwing potential...
so did Cam Newton in their recruiting profiles. everybody has an upside as long as they can take the coaching and do the work to get there. if the coaches like this kid maybe it’s just as a stopgap to make sure we have a qb in every class or maybe they see that top tier potential.
by ORtigerfan on Jan 20, 2012 8:09 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
We now have a QB coach.
We don’t need him to have a great arm, just enough of one to keep deep plays possible, and defenses honest. If he should end up picking LSU, I think Kragthorpe can coach Liggins on the throwing aspect, JJ’s year under him notwithstanding. Lee certainly seemed to improve under his tutelage. Unless we plan on throwing him in the mix right away, which I don’t see, he could end up being a decent QB for us.
Winston Churchill once said, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.". Must have had a run-in with a bama fan.
Mark Twain once said, "A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation.". Well, shit. I'm screwed.

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