A Very Special 'Crootin Interview: Scout.com's Sonny Shipp
As some of y'all may or may not know, my start in this whole sports-writing game was with Tiger Rag Magazine, circa 2002. And in the two-and-a-half years I worked there, I was lucky enough to work with, learn from and even briefly fill in for, one of the most thorough, enthusiastic, professional and connected recruiting reporters/analysts in the business, Sonny Shipp. In the past few years, Tiger Rag has moved off of the Scout.com network (I can actually remember when it was theinsiders.com), but Sonny has remained as one of the network's chief analysts and scouts for the Louisiana/East Texas region and one of the moderators of the LSU affiliate, Tiger Sports Digest with Shea Dixon and Randy Rosetta. And, he was nice enough to answer a couple of questions for us on LSU's recruiting class of 2012.
1. We're at just about a week to National Signing Day, LSU has a handful of scholarship spots left. What players are the coaches targeting and which ones are realistic possibilities?
At the top of the list you have Mario Edwards and the big question here is will he follow in his father's footsteps or will he carve out his own path. Shea Dixon had some good insight from Mario Sr. following the official visit this past weekend and it looks like it's going to be a NSD announcement that Tiger fans will have to wait on.
The other big need is Cordarrelle Patterson because of Rueben Randle's decision to go pro then you have Jeremy Liggins due to the Gunner Kiel fiasco.
Kwon Alexander would be another big fish to add to the haul as well as Corey Thompson and what a finish that would be if LSU landed those five guys. Odds are they will not but it looks like it will go down to the wire.
2. How do you see the rest of this class filling out?
I think they will finish up with Patterson and possibly Alexander from the list above then turn to some in-state guys with possibly Jacoby Briscoe as a DL and Alonzo Moore as a DB. Those are some guys I expect to get late looks this week.
3. We all saw the hilarious awkwardness that was the Landon Collins Under Armour All-Star Game commitment. Between he, his girlfriend and the rest of his family, is this one of the stranger recruitments you've ever covered?
I've never seen anything like this the way it all played out. There was a lot of misdirection on this saga as some of the close members of the family did not even know what Landon was going to do. In the end, a kid has to do what he feels is best for him and he has to do what he wants to do and not what others want him to do.
4. What happened with Gunner Kiel?
The whole thing about the way this was handled was very poor in my opinion in the fact that the staff could not get any sort of a response at the 11th hour. I understand a kid not wanting to move across the country for school but you do the right thing and pick up the phone and inform that coaching staff so they can move on and have a chance with another kid. It was very disappointing to see the way that this went down, not necessarily from the perspective of the kid, but more so from the parents.
5. How would you rank it in terms of the talent coming in and the needs it addresses for the team?
If they don't get a QB then there will be a void there but you have to love the LB haul in this class. Let's see what happens in the next 10 days then we will have a better idea of whether or not they met their needs.
6. What is the significance of junior college wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson?
He would come in and have a chance to play right away, similar to Demetrius Byrd. He is a big, physical receiver that would be a nice complement to the smaller receivers that should make an impact next year in Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham and Russell Shepard.
7. Are there any sleepers in this group that you feel are maybe underrated?
I think Travin Dural is underrated along with Dillon Gordon. Gordon is someone who physically has a chance to play very early on and be that run blocker Les Miles likes to have at tight end. Lamar Louis is another one who has a chance to be really good with his athleticism once he settles in at one position.
8. For the hardest of the hardcore, who are some of LSU's top targets for next year's recruiting class?
The 2013 class doesn't have that no-brainer five-star prospect, but I think from top to bottom is a little stronger than the 2012 class. You will probably see about 15 four-star kids and possibly as many as 40-45 three-star prospects, if not more.
There are a lot of kids in the '13 class that have a chance to be good college players and a few names to keep an eye on are receivers John Diarse, Ricky Jefferson, Tre'Davious White, Raheem Falkins and Ronald Lewis, tight ends DeSean Smith and Standish Dobard, defensive end/linebacker Kendell Beckwith, defensive end Tim Williams, cornerback Noel Ellis and offensive lineman Kenneth Santa Marina. There's a bunch more but those are just a few off the top of my head.
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DeSean Smith is a lock.
The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere ~ Les Miles
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
Seems to be the early word
Big key for 2013 is to find some DT prospects, and there might not be many in-state.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Can't say I'd blame him if he didn't
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Does Jarrett Lee have a little brother that we could unimpress?
sorry, couldn’t resist.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
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The way the Humanoids are getting I'm starting to favor a perma-ban of both last names
from the university period.
And I’m not kidding, they’re redacted in all future discussion on my end.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
(formerly Gregatron)
Respect the bucket, son.
by Eggplant Wizard on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like we don't get Edwards
This class is sort of a disappointment but, I know we got a lot of good players. It’s just not a flashy class.
The Sky is not falling
And the more I think about Landon Collins
The more pissed I get. I still don’t get it.
The Sky is not falling
Honestly at this point, the less said the better
We all know what he did, but anything will sound like sour grapes.
And I think we always knew Edwards was a long shot. Committed to FSU for a whole year, dad was a star there. If the staff made him seriously consider switching that’s one heck of an effort.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I guess the legacy thing is a strong sell
…just wonder what Edwards’ dad thought about all of it. FSU was probably in its prime when his dad was there. If you’re a kid coming out now, and you’re a defensive lineman, I don’t see any way you could not understand that 1) playing DL at LSU means you are badass, and FSU can’t compare with what we’ve put on the field the last 10 years….that you stand a better chance at being a part of the nation’s best D-line at LSU, not FSU, and 2) If you play D-line at LSU, you are a ROCKSTAR GOD. Other places it might be the QB, WRs, tailbacks, and at some schools it’s even the LBs….but at LSU, the fans get more amped up about their trench ponies than anything. Being manly on the lines is not a “good thing” for LSU fans…..it’s a must of manhood. We tend to laugh and giggle at teams who can’t stuff the run or get sacks. There are lots of good reasons to go to other schools, but anybody would have to admit, if you want coaching, a sure look from the NFL, and a stellar career……LSU is D-line U. Sam Montgomery knew it all the way from South Carolina.
by MikeDeTiger on Jan 24, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Big thing to keep in mind
And this is something I hope everybody remembers – recruiting is about relationships. And chances are, Mario Jr. has had one with the FSU staff for some time now. Granted, I’m sure he had a good one with LSU’s guys as well (reportedly the family really hit it off with Brick Haley), but he also likely grew up rooting for FSU, and I’m sure dad was in touch with them the second he started developing into a good high school player. So you’re talking about years’ worth of a relationship with not only coaches, but ex-players and even non coaching staff and support people in Tallahassee. That’s a lot to overcome.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Edward swould have been a complete shock if we got him, but it’s still nice to see that we were in it til the end and left quite the mark on him. I also do not wish to speak about LC anymore, the whole situation was just uncomfortable. Same goes for Kiel…
We do have some solid players in this year’s class, but I agree it is nothing flashy. But I like the focus on the LB position (consistently our worst Def position); and knowing Chavis, he will move some of those guys to DE. Toshiro should be a stud, along with Vadal, Avery and Travin. Hill was considered better than Hilliard by some last year, and I believe Hunter, Gordon, Dwayne Thomas, Deion “Debo” Jones (from my alma mater), Edinburgh, Hawkins, and Raymond are all solid 3 Star prospects who are undervaulued in their own ways.
If we can finish up by getting Patterson, Liggins, and Kwon; we will be in great shape. Not to mention that they may even decide to look at some other in-state guys that they passed up in the beggining (Otha Peters and Alonzo Moore). I have full confidence in our coaching staff develop some of these underrated prospects and move them to pistions that will maximize their talents. I wouldn’t worry, we are in good hands!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions
Jesuit not teachin' y'all how to work the interwebz?
Sorry couldn’t resist.
One thing that’s weird about this year in general is the number of linebackers Louisiana produced. Usually that’s the state’s weakest position — you can’t name one big-time LB from here (that actually panned out) going all the way back to Bradie James and Trev Faulk.
I’ve always been of the opinion that you need some blue-collar types mixed in with your stars, and the reality is Louisiana was short on star-power this year (in addition to some extremely underrated guys like Dural, Hawkins etc…). And LSU’s never going to be a school that hauls in 17 or 18 out-of-state kids in a recruiting class.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
It seems like historically we ebb and flow with LA in state talent – every 4 years or so its an exceptional class – in between mostly just solid kids.
East Texas and Houston have each helped us fill out classes – lets hope that continues. Seems like this year was weird also with how young our team is at several positions.
A good point
The big key for 2013 is to find a QB prospect, and some defensive line depth, especially at tackle. Skill-wise, its shaping up to be a solid year in-state, ditto offensive line. But if there’s one thing 2010 taught us, its that QB and DT are the premium positions in this conference.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly some of "premium" forums are no better.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Many there act...
Like our recruiting class is the worst ever and is going to ruin the program, while Saban is going to win 4 NCs in a row with the class they have at Alabama.
Saying “You don’t win National titles with these low ranked classes. We are not going to have any talent.”
The Sky is not falling
This is why I don't post on message boards anymore
There are people that can deal with people like that. I am not one of them.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I question why I continue to post there
Its a time killer I guess. Sometimes though, it’s just too much.
The Sky is not falling
Yeah, once a dispute got enough
For somebody to actually look up my home phone number and leave me a threatening message, I quit it. I still lurk for the recruiting info, though believe me if it was really possible to be an informed college football fan without following the ins and outs of it, I would. The Landon Collins recruitment in particular got really creepy, especially with all the girlfriend stuff.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Let me add
That what I’m saying is in no way reflective of the work that guys like Sonny, Shea Dixon and the others do. They bust their ASSES to get people as accurate and reliable info as you can get out of the mouths of 17-18-year-old kids.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
It really took you that long?
Props.
Certified Delusional Optimist
by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Liggins officially drops LSU
I really thought we had a great shot at landing him, but he said he wants to stay in is home state and you can’t blame him for that. But he did make me laugh when he said he wanted “to bring a National Championship home to the state of Mississippi”….I thought that was funny. I’d say let’s start by consistently have a winning record…
But now, we oficially have 0 QB’s in this class. I know it doesn’t seem so bad after getting 3 last year, but Mett is already a Junior and Rivers and Randle are more projects right now. I think we must sign at least 2 decent QB’s next year, or we could be in trouble.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 AM CST reply actions
You can afford to not have one this year
But it definitely puts a premium on it next year. Honestly, I wasn’t even sure how much I liked Liggins in the first place (fantastic athlete but seemed iffy passing), and I’d rather not get one and focus on getting a stud in 2013 than just take a space-filler.
Likewise with DT…you can afford not getting one this year, but it makes it one of the premiums for 2013.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I liked the fact that he was 270 and ran a 4.6
Or should I say he supposedly ran a 4.6. If it’s true, it just shows the athleticism he has. I’m sure the coaches would have found a position for him if QB didn’t work out.
I’m not worried about DEF line too much because Chavis seems to move guys around every year to fill needs. DE looks good for a few years with Rasco, Maclin, and Allen. DT is a bit thinner, but I love Freak and I think Ego and Mickey Johnson will also be solid. Of course, we do need to add a few more next year to keep up our current title of D-Line U
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 25, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'm middle ground on this class
But people who think this class says, “We’re not going to have any talent” are clueless.
This class lacks star power, that’s it really. Getting a QB would be nice but at least we do have 3 bodies there. Adding another DL would be nice, and we still might.
Overall, it’s a solid class. LSU can sustain fine with a class like this, so long as they bookend it with another great one next year.
Eye right blahgs.
Reminds me a lot of the 2010 group
Which, while it wound up surprising people, was considered on signing day to be something of a bridge class between the 2009 group of big names and what we all knew was going to be a big-time 2011 haul. And there are still some guys whose potential I really, really like (Danielle Hunter).
But yeah, 2013 will be all about QB and DT.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I gotta agree
Hunter’s film is pretty amazing. He’s a freak.
by cbkao on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
how to pronounce Danielle?
someone else asked for Kiel, I guess I’ll ask for Hunter. I don’t know which way to read it, as dan-YELL or DAN-yul or maybe even Danny-el. is it pronounced like the girl’s name, the guy’s name, or some other super secret pronunciation?
by ORtigerfan on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
From what I have been reading
It’s pronounced like the guy’s name, Daniel.
Radio people been pronouncing it
Like you would pronounce Daniel.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
thanks guys
I feel dumb but glad I asked
by ORtigerfan on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
If it helps
I’d been wondering for months whether it was pronounced “Keel” or “Kyle,” not that we have to worry about that one anymore.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions



























