Unfolding the Landon Collins Drama
Landon Collins picked Alabama on National TV last night. The horror, the horror!
Is this the end of LSU's run of dominance? Will Nick Saban now pick and choose what Louisiana recruits he wants? Are the walls around the borders eroding? Has Les Miles lost his grip?
After the jump, we discuss just exactly happened with the Collins decision last night.
For those who don't really follow recruiting, here is a quick recap: Landon Collins is from Geismar, Louisiana (even if he wanted to say "I'm from New Orleans" on National TV). He is the top-ranked player in the state of Louisiana for 2012. He is an immense, 5-star caliber talent. He's good friends with current LSU safety Eric Reid and current Alabama running back, Ed Lacy. His girlfriend, reportedly, is heading to school in Alabama (perhaps at Alabama, I'm not sure). Landon narrowed his choices to LSU and Alabama. Both sides believed they had him. He picked Alabama last night, much to his family's apparent dismay. Backlash ensues.
Like with most recruiting stories, we'll likely never know the full story here. I'm going to do my best to put together the pieces from the information I have. Landon's family looked upset when he picked Alabama, as you can see from the video above. They all stood there in shock, his mother shaking her head. After a few awkward seconds, his girlfriend starts clapping and lets out a "yayy!!!" and then the family joins in mundanely clapping.
As can be expected, the national media has run with the whole "what dastardly parents to not support their child!" angle. That, at best, is tunnel-vision perspective. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone parents who do not support their soon-to-be-adult children making their own decisions. But simply looking at that tape and surmising they are doing a terrible parenting job is amiss. They fail to show/mention the clip ESPN had later where he hugged his mother and you could make out her lips saying, "I can't believe you just did that." Perhaps I'm interpreting events through "purple and gold glasses" but that line, to me, indicates some type of deception was involved.
Let me be clear, I like Landon Collins. I wish no ill will upon him. If Alabama is where he wants to play football, well, it sucks for LSU, but I hope he has a good and prosperous career against everyone but LSU. I don't think he's a punk or an idiot or a thug or trash. I don't think we "never wanted him." However, there was/is some deception going on about his commitment.
Without revealing too much information, three of the most trusted LSU recruiting writers, Sonny Shipp, Shea Dixon and Derek Ponamsky all predicted Collins to choose LSU. I've followed all three at times, and none of them are the type to try to drum up interest in their sites by lying about a recruit. They give the news as they know it, and often err on the side of caution when talking about recruits. All that to say: I don't think they were simply predicting Landon to LSU so get pats on the back and sell more subscriptions. They honestly believed that. So why were they so sure?
Well, a source that's about as good as it gets said that Collins had contact with LSU coaches on Wednesday night and not with Bama. That contact was not to deliver bad news, either. Reportedly, on LSU's side, Collins said he was coming. Is that mildly upsetting? Sure. It's certainly deceptive, but it wouldn't be the first time this has happened for or against LSU. Some reports say Terrance Toliver told Florida he was picking them, only to choose LSU on NSD. It happens.
However, what's really shocking to me is the reaction of the family. They looked stunned. To me, it went beyond the family simply "not agreeing" with Landon's decision. It came across as if this is the first they had heard of it. Like they were all expecting him to choose LSU. Could it have been acting to help deflect criticism from Landon? Sure. Could that reaction legitimately just be scorned parents? Sure. But it could also be that Landon told them he was picking LSU, only to don Alabama gear at the last second, on national television. How would you feel if your son told you he was doing one thing, so you paid a few grand in flights to support him, only to see him completely back track at the last second? I imagine shock would be near the top of the list.
From the point of his commitment, everything went awkward. The interviewer, the crowd, even the announcers were all kinda "WTF just happened?" It's as if no one actually believed he would pick Alabama. Why such shock? Just 30 minutes before a kid from Georgia picked South Carolina over UGA. There wasn't near the shock and reaction. Was the shock just reaction to Landon's family's reaction?
In truth, we will likely never know the full details of what happened. Landon now claims he knew it was Alabama for two years. He tweets something about how "he's shocked by the reaction of people from Louisiana." Which leads me to another topic, that I think is important to discuss: recruiting backlash.
It's never okay, under any circumstances, for fans to attempt to destroy a kid and his morale simply because he didn't choose the school you wanted. As far as I'm concerned, those who wished death threats on Joe McKnight should be sentenced to lowest levels of hell. It's pathetic, really.
That being said, the backlash is often not uninvited. A number of Louisiana recruits from the past decade have chosen to go out of state. Here recently: Joe McKnight, Eddie Lacy, Janzen Jackson, Bradley Sylve, Greg Robinson, Trovon Reed, Darrington Sentimore and now, Denzel Devall and Landon Collins. Each of chose some type of rival to LSU: USC (at the height of the split National Title wars), Auburn, Tennessee and Bama (all natural SEC rivals). Yet only two of the above experienced any significant backlash, pending another in Landon Collins. So what trait do those three share? Well, deception.
Sylve, Robinson, Reed and Sentimore all made their commitments months in advance to signing day. They were open and honest about looking around. All four were targeted by LSU to some degree. Lacy, announced on signing day, but was highly thought to be a grade risk. Even still he was transparent about his process. When I say transparent, I mean that recruiting insiders for LSU believed these guys stood a great chance of not choosing LSU. Other than maybe some light message board criticism, none of these players were truly antagonized for their decisions. Most got the, "Well, that sucks" treatment, and then people moved on. And all of them were highly talented, coveted recruits that LSU wanted. So I refuse to believe it's simply that fans didn't care because they were "leftovers" or whatever. The way they carried their process mitigated the fan response. They minimized the backlash by being transparent.
McKnight, Jackson and Collins were different. McKnight was pretty mum as far as interviews go, but there was definitely a good bit of "leading on" going on, especially since Joe apparently loved USC for years but waited till signing day to announce. The great book, Meat Market, also says Joe was sending mocking texts about LSU RB coach Larry Porter while on his visit to Ole Miss. Joe certainly lead LSU on to some degree.
Jackson was committed to LSU for months, even ensuring reporters his commitment was firm in the days leading up to signing day, despite murmurings that he was heading elsewhere. Signing day comes, Jackson lies about his fax machine being broken and delays his announcement to the next day. Finally he inks with Tennessee, shocking LSU fans and coaches. All along it was a ploy by Lane Kiffin. Deception to the highest degree.
Finally, Collins, long known to be a 50/50 Alabama/LSU split. As noted above, he apparently let our coaches know where he was heading. Then the reaction of his family. I think it's fair to say there was at least some amount of deception in his process.
None of this means that the small, crazy sect of LSU fans should slash his tires, wish for him to break his legs and die in a fire, should be excused. BUT, it also doesn't mean the players don't play some hand in what happens to them. For Collins to tweet that he "didn't expect this reaction", he's either lying, or the most naive 17-year-old kid in the world.
Which brings me to the last point: this could all be a ruse. What if the family was genuinely shocked because, well, they know Landon is going to LSU? Landon insists his "mom can't flip him." He says he's known for 2 years. Maybe he's telling the truth. But, I don't believe this is over. Last year Cyrus Kouandjio picked Auburn on signing day, only to renege days later and flip to Alabama... largely because of his family. Family has a huge, huge say in almost any recruit's decision (and they should). So even if Landon thinks he is set, there's no saying what a month of visits from LSU coaches and family and friends in his ear could do. And there's also that slim possibility that Landon himself is just playing the game. Maybe his plan, all along, is to flip to LSU on signing day and "shock the world." Stranger things have happened in recruiting. I do know that we are certain to hear plenty of rumors and murmurings over the next month. Gear up for a wild ride.
Regardless, even if Landon winds up at Bama, it's not the end of the world. As I told the guys last night, we've won a National Title with Craig Steltz as a starting safety. Another with Jack Hunt. It's one player. It's not the end of the world. It sucks, yes. But LSU will be fine.
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One quick note:
He said “New Orleans” because he moved out to Geismar following Katrina. He grew up in NOLA.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
His mother is trash
Wow. Rather than be happy and proud of you son you say he’s making a mistake on natioal TV. It’s fine if she disagrees with him, and she should do that off camera, but to take away what’s supposed to be a positive moment (when you announce your decision to play D-1 football where you want in front of the whole country) and runied it. I felt bad for collins. You can write 4 paragraphs about it being a ruse or wondering what’s going on, but usually the simplest explanation is the truth when it comes to the whims of a 17 year old kid. Some kids will be reinforced to to do something if their parents want them to do it, while some kids will be reinforced NOT to do something if their parents want them to do it. I think this is a case of the latter, and honestly, if that’s here attitude and selfish approach to her son then I don’t blame him for wanting to be farther away from her (and closer to his gf)
Either way, great recruiting battle. I just hate that SHE is the story and not the young man.
by TheYellowHammer on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM CST reply actions
If he lied to his mom, I fail to see how she's "trash."
I’m not saying that’s what happened. But it’s plausible. Just as plausible as her simply being an obnoxious LSU fan on TV who disapproves of her son.
Eye right blahgs.
You're an idiot. Go away.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
I wonder what he thought of Cyrus Kouandijo's dad last year refusing to sign scholarship papers to Auburn?
Obvious troll is obvious.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Oh, that?
That’s different.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
Of course it is.
He saved his poor innocent son from that cesspool. There could never be anything wrong with that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
burn
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
Landon Collins
Let it go. How would you react to angry, vile comments posted by Notre Dame or Indiana alums/fans regarding that low down, dirty LOSER Gunner Keil and how he is a traitor to his home state and family. This could be the best thing to happen to LSU. NOTE: Review the events in Janzen Jackson’s career since snubbing LSU only 2 years ago. LSU does not succeed or fail based upon one football player.PERIOD
Wow, you have the message board paranoia down pat.
Is this the end of LSU’s run of dominance? Will Nick Saban now pick and choose what Louisiana recruits he wants? Are the walls around the borders eroding? Has Les Miles lost his grip?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You just hope sometimes
that folks really have alternate personalties online and aren’t really that psychotic in the real world.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Sadly that's not always the case
Hell even I’ve gotten a phone call threat from a message board wonk. Hate to think what players get.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
WHAT?! For an article you wrote?
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
LOL I wish it was over something that substantive
Over a message board argument. This was like 5-6 years ago.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
I mean I've thought you were an idiot many times but a phone threat?
Just kidding.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
You're kidding that a phone threat is unreasonable?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well yeah...Obviously I wasn't kidding that Billy is an idiot sometimes.
Just kidding.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
You're kidding about kidd...
never mind, that could go on all day.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh c'mon Jonno don't besmirch what we have.
Though seriously this is why I don’t post on them anymore. I keep in touch with Shea Dixon and Sonny Shipp because I was connected to Scout for so long (and they’re the best in that business), but at a certain point posting here became more fun.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
What's with the Craig Steltz hate?
Do was a Thorpe award finalist and should have won – had more tackles and INTs than Cason. He’s been slow to pick up Chicago’s 4-6 where safety play is a bit different to say the least, but he played well this season when he go his chance. Its not like he’s our version of Malcolm Jenkins ( now that’s a guy who gets a lot of praise for a lot of sucking, both at Ohio St and in NOLA ).
Jenkins has grown on me.
But admittedly I don’t get to watch as many saints games as I wish I could.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/12/3/2607240/sec-championship-game-open-thread#
outsidethesidelines@gmail.com
I'm not hating.
Craig was a solid college player. I don’t think he was an elite difference maker, though. I meant to include Chad Jones, as well. Because for all his athleticism and lofty recruiting rankings, he was never really an elite player for LSU, like Laron Landry.
Eye right blahgs.
Yeah I was going to mention that Craig Steltz was a highly touted recruit
Maybe not Landon Collins touted but very well regarded.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
First time posting on here, though I've been reading for a while
But that was some awkwardness as I’ve rarely witnessed!
No matter the excuse, his mom should have restrained herself on
national TV! That was embarrassing to both of them!
I hope he truly wants to go to Bama though, because if he’s “playing” everyone,
or if his mom convinces him to go to LSU, that’s not exactly the type of player one
would want right? (A la Janzen Jackson)
I wish him the best in red!
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
So how would the deception theory apply to . . .
Ryan Perilloux
Didn't face backlash since he was in-state
But had he been from Alabama and picked LSU, he would suffer the same fate.
But yes, he certainly played the game like the others.
Eye right blahgs.
He was just as wrong. I know I've said at much several times in the past.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Yep
Gotcha moment fail
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Nice take
First and foremost, if you are trolling Landon Collins, you are a douchebag. Stop it. Kids shouldn’t be denigrated for their school choice, unless it’s Role Miss. jk.
But the players with the biggest backlashes, its not like they were completely innocent. While they don’t deserve a backlash, one is coming if you are not above the board. Don’t play games with people, though I don’t think LC did. I think it may be as simple as he was afraid to tell his mom and he strung her along.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
And The Valley Shook!
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by Poseur on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Very plausible
Landon, by all reports, is a good kid. His mom could just be a nut.
Eye right blahgs.
Which is why all this should not be taking place on national television
They think they want the attention, but they don’t realize it isn’t going to be all adulation. I mean, maybe they should; I have to imagine Collins knew the average resident of St James Parish wasn’t a card-carrying member of the REC and that he’d get some local yahoos, and probably schoolmates, giving him crap. But once you turn it into a national event, live-twitted for everyone to see, you invite a lot more than the local yahoos in.
Don't Panic.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
The mom definitely said something like
“I can’t beileive you just did that” when she hugged him. He definitely mislead her. I am not sure if he mislead his entire family, dad and stepmom whom he lives with, or if it was just his mom. But there was some deception invloved with his momma
Stuff like this
is one of the many reasons why I don’t follow recruiting heaivly. It’s all too much of a show & too often a creepy, seedy one at that.
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
easy guys
Wow ya’l are sensitive. I’m not trolling, all i did was point out that his mom embarassed him and showed a lack of class. That is fact. what is ASSUMPTION are all these guys saying they KNOW he deceived her. We don’t. We don’t know the whole story, we never do. I don’t pretend to know. All I know is she acted inappropriately. Maybe he’s a lying jerk, or maybe he has been bama a while but thought (wrongly) he could hold off on criticism as long as possible and announce later. who knows. Look at the scope of my comment and then read the ridiculous replies and then tell me who is being presumptive. I think her attitude was indefensible, EVEN if he was bs’ing her and pulled a 180. SHe shoudl know better. I thought i could find ONE objective LSU fan that could agree on that. We shall see:
Well if you leaved the part out about her being "trash", that would have been a good start...
It’s his mom. Maybe it is as simple as she thinks he would be better off being close to home near his family and at a good university like LSU. Mothers are like that and how would he feel seeing that you called his mother “trash” on the net? not very classy on your part either.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
We're not going to have anybody call anybody's mother trash on this site
Whether it’s one of your recruits or one of ours. And your opinion of her is NOT a fact.
But by all means, tell Landon your feelings about his mom. I’m sure he’d love to hear it. His twitter handle is ALLAMERICAN 2.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 6, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Just like un-wins
These Bammers are good at un-insulting too. No no it was like a nice Katirna insult. No I meant trash in like a good, all-knowing Trash Heap from Fraggle Rock way. Un-insults! Bama got ’em!
"The 2011 Tigers, on the field at least, are boring. See target, swing war club, rinse the brains and skull fragments off and repeat." - Billy Gomila
by Curtis Bleaux on Jan 6, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I meant it in the nicest possible way a mom could be trash
can’t believe any of you allygator chooting corndogs would be offended by that…?
Who’d a thunk it?
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
/sigh
This is the problem with recruiting. Grown men get way too wrapped up in the decision making process of the most irrational people on earth, teenagers. I would suspect that this young man is enjoying his time in the spotlight and all the attention. In my mind there is nothing more stupid than these all star games and the lame ass “choosing of hats” moments. However the kids enjoy it and they like to stand out, be talked about, etc, so occasionally you get a child (18 or not, they are children) who like to play little games. Let them. It hurts no one but the humanoids who think that a program will crumble to dust if you miss out on one player who is projected to be good. Remember while you are screaming and moaning: Joe Jackson never did much at USC and had illegal benefits problems, and Janzen Jackson got kicked out of UT. I for one am glad neither one of ever wore purple and gold. I guess we will all just have to be happy with that 5 star QB coming in.
So is yours
The only person casting aspersions on anyone’s character is you. Take that as a sign.
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by Poseur on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
This is why I hate any kind of high school all star game
It’s a bunch of immature kids who want attention more than anything else.
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
I remember what Miles said
I will always remember the essence of what Miles said after McKnight picked USC, even if I don’t remember the exact words. It was along the lines of
“Not every player from Louisiana is meant to go to LSU.”
If he wants to play in Tuscaloosa, fine. If this is some sort of shenanigans where he flips back to LSU and has it planned all along, then I’ll cheer for him in purple and gold, but I’ll probably feel a little grumbly about it at the same time.
Oh, and if you think his mother is “trash” (which I don’t), then why is Saban recruiting the son of trash? (“Son of Trash” would be a good name for a band)
Landon Collins who cares
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnSOwvj24M0
The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere ~ Les Miles
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good stuff
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Great write up...
Most of the time when a guy picks LSU I react much to the tune of “Eh, that sucks, we’ll be alright.” However hwne Landon picked Alabama I was genuinely angry and upset. I tried to figure out why I was letting the decision of a 17 year old athlete get me riled up, when I just follow recruiting for the enjoyment.
This article has pointed me why and that is the deception end of it. I follow Ponamsky and those guys pretty well and I know they don’t BS you on anything, certainly recruiting. So when you hear those guys say “Have a real good feeling on Collins”, you think we must have him wrapped up. Seeing him pick Alabama coupled with his families reaction was just a world wind of confusion.
The way I feel now is….if he doesn’t want to play at LSU, so be it. Go to Alabama. One player isn’t going to break this program.
2011 #1 LSU 13-0 SEC Champions
The odd thing is
despite a lot of folks, Alabama and LSU alike, opining this is not over, I don’t really want him to flip after this. I won’t lie and say he wasn’t a recruit I hoped we got, but it seems like wishy-washy drama kids often don’t pan out too well. I mentioned Joe McKnight and Janzen Jackson in the other thread…..and while McKnight just didn’t pan out as expected, Jackson was as good as advertised, and was making a difference at UT, but we see how his career path has gone. Ryan Perrilloux did worse by Texas (imo) than Collins is doing LSU, and we see how his career path went. I honestly hope things go well for him at Alabama. But if he flips on them to LSU, I just get the feeling that whatever his talent pans out to be, there’s a good chance he wouldn’t be a productive player for us. If he jerks Bama around, I think it’s a bad sign for him even if he did choose us.
A similar thing happened to us (Florida State)
we got jerked around by Matt Elam. He committed to the ‘Turds, flipped to us, then went back. I thought he was a little primadonna that we should stay away from due to all of that crap, but I regret we didn’t get him. He’s not a primadonna at all, he just played and got played by the recruiting game (went back to the ‘Turds due to CUM’s guarantee he’d be there for all four of Elam’s years, we see how that turned out).
I think you should be upset you didn’t get him, and hope you can flip him. If he flips from Bama, I’m sure it’d be due to family, which is understandable.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
anyone remember
The Johnny Hector fiasco from 30 years ago, when the kid got cold feet because member of the pardon review board called about his brother?
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