Delusional Optimism is Feeling Disrespected
Barrett Jones wants to restore the natural order. Well, I got news for Mr. Jones, but LSU beating Alabama has been the natural order for over a decade now. Since 2000 (not coincidentally, after LSU canned Dinardo), LSU is 9-3 against Alabama.
Let that settle in. The players in the game on Monday can barely remember a time when Alabama dominated LSU, if they can remember it all. The era in which Alabama owned LSU was so long ago, Miami, Nebraska, and Florida St. were the dominant national powers, and Notre Dame was still good.
The "natural order" to which Mr. Jones referred is long since gone. It would be like a politician claiming the Solid South will vote Democrat like it used to. Alabama beating LSU is no more the natural order of things than Michigan owning Ohio St (and getting John Cooper fired).
It used to be popular for pundits in the 80s and 90s to call LSU a sleeping giant. Well, the giant woke up. If you think LSU is just going away, well, you must be dreaming.
Usually, in a rematch, the loser has a bit of a psychological edge. That's the team that lost something and now has the desire to get it back. It focuses practices and makes a team work that much harder to achieve their goals and show that the first game was just a fluke. The loser knows they have to get better, and they bust their ass to do so.
That's what it's like to be an LSU player under Les Miles every single day. LSU carries with it the reminder of every criticism, sling, or slander. These players have been so disrespected for so long by so many people, being underestimated is their state of nature.
This team never panics, always keeping its eye on the eventual goal. They play every game, every down, as if they have something to prove to their legions of professional doubters, many of them within their own fanbase. There were still LSU fans LAST YEAR openly talking about wanting to fire Miles.
This is a team that has been told repeatedly that their wins don't really count. They've been told that a 9-win season in which they finished 3rd in the SEC was "mediocre". They've heard their coach called lucky almost non-stop. They had only one player named preseason All-SEC and then after navigating the SEC unbeaten, they placed only four players on the postseason team... or the same number of players Alabama has on the All American team.
The constant criticism LSU has endured over the past few seasons can be summed up in this simple fact: Alabama is the Vegas favorite in the title game.
LSU put up a historically great regular season. They won the SEC, the toughest conference in America. In addition, LSU beat two BCS conference champions, the winners of the Rose and Orange Bowl respectively. LSU not only went unbeaten, but will have beaten three likely top five teams in the final poll. LSU has won all of their games save one by 13 points or more. Oh, and they beat Alabama on the road.
Yet here we are, underdogs again. Nothing has ever or will ever be handed to this team. Everything must be earned, sometimes more than once. That's the way we want it. This team doesn't ever back down from a challenge, it embraces them.
Toughest conference in America? No problem, let's throw in two brutal OOC games. Lose our best offensive lineman before the season? Everyone else will step up. Offensive coordinator diagnosed with Parkison's? Just another thing that binds the team into a family. Have to win the Game of the Century twice? No problem.
This team has been doubted every step of the way for the past two seasons. Well, the bill is coming due on Monday night. This team has to go out and prove itself one more time. We wouldn't have it any other way.
When the stakes are the highest, Delusional Optimism doubles down on Les Miles. Nothing is going to be handed to this team, so let's go take it. Now is our time. Let's remove all doubt. Let's confirm the new natural order.
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Since 2000 (not coincidentally, after LSU canned Dinardo)
Has more to do with hiring Saban than firing Dinardo. Dinardo did better than Hallman and only slightly worse than Archer. Also not coincidentally, that time frame coincides neatly with the Albert Means scandal that crippled our program for several years. Now that both programs are at the top of their games I’d expect a bunch of instant classics between them over the next few years.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Means
Wow, a scandal so crippling it affected y’all for 12 years… and even before he showed up on campus.
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by Poseur on Jan 9, 2012 7:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
No, not 12.
Sure as hell killed us for six or seven though. Two years with no bowl and a whole bunch of scholarships taken away will tend to do that. Saban put us back in the national conversation just like he did with y’all. Miles has clearly done a great job building on what Saban did there, but it baffles me how some LSU folk (not necessarily you, mind you) seem to refuse to credit him with laying the foundation for what the program has become.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
We give him credit all the time
The funny thing is how many Bama fans seem to think he deserves all of it. Like it gives them something ELSE to brag about for their new idol.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Funny enough
it seems that both men are in exactly the right place. Their personalities seem to fit well with their respective fanbases.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Somehow missed that one.
Good piece.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
What LSU fans are you talking about?
No reasonable fan refuses to give Saban credit for turning the program around.
But, we are (or at least I am) kind of tired of others giving him credit for LSU being great today. Saban left a long time ago. The good things happening at LSU now are credited to CLM. Sure, he walked into a great situation, but he has rebuilt and molded LSU into his form with his systems and his processes. Saban gets credit for putting LSU back in the national picture, but that is it. CLM gets credit for everything this team is doing (just like he received all of the blame when we were not so great in 2008/09).
by Displaced Tiger on Jan 9, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
2009 wasn't a bad year.
The Ole Miss loss wasn’t good, but competitive losses to Bama and Florida were hardly embarrassing. The bowl game was a joke on that field. And sure, Les has now been there long enough that he’s playing with his own players and all that jazz. Clearly his team. Success does breed success though, and having the cupboard he had his first couple of seasons had to have aided him in putting together some of the subsequent classes. But again, he still had to put them together though; history shows that great programs can be brought down to mediocrity without the right man in place (see: Ron Zook, Ray Perkins). As far as what LSU fans I’m talking about, plenty of ’em. Not many hang out over here though, admittedly.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It was tough watching LSU play offense in 09
But hell, sometimes it’s tough watching LSU play offense this season
A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat?
Coaches with great defenses tend to play to them.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Some LSU fans give him too much credit
I don’t know who you’ve been talking too, but a lot of fans are still saying that Saban is the reaso we are playing in the NCG tonight.
When Miles won in 2007, all you heard was that it was “with Saban’s players”. Miles has never gotten the credit he derserves, until this year. A victory tonight will finally put him near the top of the college coaching elite (along with Saban), and that’s where he belongs.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
That CLM first year was Katrina…so he had A LOT more to deal with at the beginning of his tenure than most coaches
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 9, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think part of the issue with Les
is that none of the pundits saw him doing what he is doing based on his performance at Okie St. While they certainly improved under his watch, he never had so much as a 10 win season there. I’d say it’s pretty clear that he has improved personally since then.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Yeah but neither had any other coach in Okie State history
Even Jimmy Johnson couldn’t win there. While his time there isn’t really comparable to Saban’s at LSU, he still played a huge role in changing the culture up there in a way that Mike Gundy has been able to take advantage of.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
No question.
What Miles did at Oklahoma State is probably very similar to what Saban did at LSU- not as much success, but started with a much more difficult situation. Just suggesting that the media may have been slow to give him love, at least partially, because they didn’t anoint him. The little clock management things obviously didn’t help perception either, though that is a very small part of what makes a quality coach. Putting the right staff together to recruit and retain talent will always be the most important job of the head man.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And I've said it a number of times
People would be very surprised at the number of coaches that will screw up the clock late in games. Hell both Tom Coughlin AND Mike Smith managed to do it Sunday. I’ve even seen Sean Payton do it at the end of a first half. Plus, there have been a number of times where Miles has managed the clock beautifully. But the mistakes get magnified, which is the way the world works and I get it, but this is also why I try to take the long view on coaches.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Smith, just...
starting to think he’s in way over his head. Good example of a Shula-esque “best we could get under the circumstances” hire.
/offtopicrantover
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Maybe, but I thought the same thing about Payton circa 2008
Though I have to admit I’ve never been a Smith fan. But perceptions can change quick and he definitely has to get credit for building a team that can still get to the playoffs 2 years in a row, which ain’t easy in the NFL.
But yeah, mind off the NFL.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 9, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
And I just noticed
my corporate mumbo-jumbo spilled into my sports talk. Should have said recruit and develop talent. The retaining thing sort of takes care of itself with LOI rules.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Then they weren't looking
Miles had a better record than Jimmy OSU after a long post-Barry fallow period. His performance there was pretty darn good.
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by Poseur on Jan 9, 2012 1:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Thanks for the assist
Man, I hope someone “gets a hold” of this. It just adds to all the other disrespect that has been coming out of T-town and Bristol since the night of November 5th. “We’re still the best team in the nation”, “LSU is definitely inferior” “We just didn’t win” "We will beat them: “Gayrann Mathieu use to be in Sandusky’s second mile club” “Restoring Order”, “Saban with (2 weeks, ehh strike that old one) this much time to prepare cannot be beat” (Guess the “Saban cannot be beat with two weeks to prepare” didn’t workout) . Now—- “More to do with hiring Saban”
Thank you Thank You Thank you, Maze, Hanks, Saban, Richardson, Jones, ESPN and now J Tadpole, appreciate the dis.
Failing to see the "disrespect" in my post.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Implying LSU's current success is more dependent on Saban than on Les
Though I agree hiring Saban, (or someone with Saban’s ability) as DiNardo’s replacement was important than simply firing DiNardo, (we could have just rehired someone with Hallman’s ability) Is interesting that Alabama fans insist to argue Alabama is not disrespecting LSU with the statements quoted above (or interpret the above statements as -"not disrespectful-truthful"—-Not sure how they make such an assertion about the Sandusky comment with a straight face.
You recovered here.
DiNardo’s replacement was important than simply firing DiNardo, (we could have just rehired someone with Hallman’s ability)
That’s exactly what I said, and followed up by saying that Saban laid a foundation that Miles built (read: improved) on.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
LOL
Now that both programs are at the top of their games
I can’t wait for that retroactive excuse of why Bama wasn’t really at the top of its game after we win tonight.
There is always some reason why Bama never loses to other teams. Bama only loses to themselves, or it wasn’t really Bama out there on the field.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
"Been saying it for six f**king years now...That g**damn hurricane just wasn’t big enough." - Outsidethesidelines, Manager, RollBamaRoll.com
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I meant as a whole.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Bama's current success is directly attributable to LSU.
All we ever hear about is giving Saban credit for turning LSU around. How about Bama giving LSU credit for giving Saban an SEC school to prove himself at? I seriously doubt that Bama would have hired him had he not first been successful at LSU. So, following the logic that all things flow back to someone else, I think it is fair to say that Bama’s current success is directly attributed to LSU.
by Displaced Tiger on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure about the "directly" part
but I’m certain that Saban gained some valuable experience at LSU that has aided him at Bama, and you’re probably right that Bama would have never hired him without his LSU success. Interesting point.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well, the bill is coming due on Monday night. This team has to go out and prove itself one more time.
wipes blood from forehead…
Sorry thought you said run through that brick wall, did that, felt good!
We wouldn’t have it any other way.
No, I don’t suspect we would…
When the stakes are the highest, Delusional Optimism doubles down on Les Miles
Woo Whoooooooo!
Now is our time. Let’s remove all doubt. Let’s confirm the new natural order.
Happy LSU World Domination Day!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Super, Duper Bammers
Sitting here watching ESPN. Trent Richardson “We made too many mistakes. Won’t make those mistakes this game”. Bammer took advantage of scared and erratic JL. Their DEEFENSE is super duper, stopped our run offense, stopped our pass offense, dominated both lines, Our defense didn’t do anything, Bammer just made too many mistakes. Vegas line up to (Bammer +1 1/2). Everything playing right into our hands. Love the disrespect because all that means we can show everyone what “natural order” means. Hehehehe, read some of RBR the last couple of days, Bammer still convinced they have a “Genius” coach and we still have the “Idiot”. I love the fact that our “Idiot” is starting to get into the head of the “Genius”. The smug bastards will have to live with that fact from here on forward.
by OldfartTigerFanatic on Jan 9, 2012 9:14 AM CST reply actions
Good luck to your team tonight, gentlemen.
I enjoyed talking to all of you before the first game….there seems to be a bit of hate spewing over into this game. I like it, don’t get me wrong. I just didn’t want to take part in silly arguments.
With that said..I have nothing but respect for what LSU has accomplished this year, including beating my beloved Crimson Tide.
That is all. ROLL TIDE!!!!
ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
And good luck to your beloved Tide as well.
I hope they have a great game and show why the SEC filled both slots in the BCS bowl game this year. I hope there are no severe injuries and that you guys make it clear that you deserved that # 2 slot.
And of course I hope ya’ll lose to OUR BELOVED TIGERS!!!
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes." – Winston Churchill
This is why i Hate Bama fans Two National Championships in years 30
as a Bama fan, it does just seem right for us to take home that damned trophy. To us, it does feel like order has been restored in the universe when we are national champions – regardless of the state of the world. To us, this is our birth right.
The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere ~ Les Miles
Dirk Nowitzki's Flamingo Fade away is this generation's Sky Hook
Sounds a lot like Darius
“I only caught 21 passes this season but I don’t think Morris Claiborne can cover me” Hanks.
Sounds to me like quite a lot of people can cover you Darius.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Jan 9, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
HAHA that's great
And Maze with his whopping 1 Receiving TD on the year…man that’s some playmakers at the WR position for the Tide!
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
In all fairness
I think the Vegas line on the game opened as LSU favored by 3 or 3.5. But it has since swung to Bama -1 because of all the bets being placed on Bama.
So I think Vegas actually had us as favored, but betters clearly favor Bama.
by WhoDatSaintsLSU on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 AM CST reply actions
the entire state of Bama has a gambling problem
I always keep a supply of alcohol handy in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy.
“Let that settle in. The players in the game on Monday can barely remember a time when Alabama dominated LSU, if they can remember it all.”
I bet they can remember now.
by RealDangeresque on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM CST reply actions
Your loyalty is great!
Your loyalty is great, but do you really think LSU is the only team to have faced hard times and been disrepected? Please! Alabama had a tornado come through T-town and kill people and rip there whole lives out from under them. Arkansas had one of their own players die unexpectedly. Oklahoma State lost coaches in a plane crash…the list goes on. LSU is not alone in all of this. Maybe if LSU players acted like respected people, in the community, instead of picking fights in bars, doing drugs and that list goes on…people would respect them more. Just sayin’!!!!!

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