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On Jordan Jefferson's Comments

In case you've been living under a rock, Jordan Jefferson chose to be the latest to come out and criticize the MNC game plan. DeAngelo Peterson agrees. It seems, Will Blackwell expressed some frustration as well, nevermind this is just days after he spoke glowingly of him. Three offensive players, three different, varying levels of criticism. Initially, I wanted to pass Peterson and Blackwell's comments as post-BCS letdown malaise. But it's been over a month, and the first opportunity Jefferson gets to speak on the matter since the post-game interviews, he digs up the dead bodies.

My question is, why? What's the point?

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To clear a couple things up: First of all, I have, and will continue to, defend Les Miles. Not for his performance in this game, but for his overarching achievements (which are still grossly under appreciated, even by many in our own fanbase). Secondly, all three players are in an interview setting. They were no doubt asked about these things. It's not as if Jordan called into Baton Rouge sports radio and started bagging on Les Miles and the game plan of his own accord. It's an important point.

Criticizing the game plan from [game redacted] is entirely fair. We were ill-prepared and showed up flat. It's impossible to know what happened, but I'm convinced there was something going on. Two players have now said we "ran plays we didn't practice" which is confusing. Did Stud prepare a pass-oriented game plan and Miles suddenly get cold feet and try to return to the option game? Did the early mistakes of the offense (remember, for like 3 or 4 drives we had multiple penalties that put us at 2nd and 3rd and longs), corrupt the entire timing, gameplan and playcalling? Was the game plan solid enough, but just flat out poorly executed by the players? Was the Alabama defense just that damn good? Did Jarrett Lee have academic issues which kept Les from playing him? Does Jordan have nudies of Les Miles? WHY? WHY!?!?!

We'll never know.

All that being said, players are people as well and certainly entitled to their opinions. However, publicly speaking against your own team is a major no-no in sports (obviously I'm talking in game matters here, not in instances of grave injustice, though we have a shining example of that principle being carried too far going on right now). Ask any manager/coach and they'll all say they prefer you "keep it in house."

We can discuss the merit of such an approach at another time, but largely this is the approach. And this isn't a Les Miles thing, either. It's a football thing. I can't imagine that any successful scout/coach/executive, when reviewing a player files, puts a giant plus sign next to a player who comes out and essentially blames the coaches. Because, in their minds, "if you did it to them, you'll do it to me."

What I'm really struggling to understand is what these players have to gain from doing this? Even understanding that they are merely responding to questions, why respond this way? Do you think it really endears you to coaches at the next level? Look, let's be honest about these players.

Jordan Jefferson was an average, at best, collegiate QB, whose level of play was wildly inconsistent and often maddeningly frustrating. He does have NFL size and some NFL tools, but enough to outweigh the negatives?

Will Blackwell was a puzzling All-American pick. He's a solid, SEC regular but an All-American? He wasn't even the best OL on the team.

DeAngelo Peterson is a fantastic athlete and looks like a Greek god in gym shorts. Unfortunately, he fits the definition of "workout warrior" to a T. He's a great athlete and not a great football player.

So all three seniors are entering the NFL draft with tremendous question marks, and there's a chance all three could go completely undrafted (in all likelihood, Peterson may be taken based on athletic upside alone). And now is the time they need to be doing everything they can to prove their worth to their future employers.. and yet, they choose to bash their coaches?

What's puzzling is that I genuinely believed each of them was attempting sell themselves to their future employers. "What's that? January 9th? Oh that game? Well yeah, it was bad.. but it wasn't me. It wasn't my fault." No, it will damage, not benefit their draft stock.

What's most discouraging is that we spent the entire year discussing and applauding this team for their unity, from supporting JJ to supporting the suspended guys, to the noticeably genuine bond they all shared on the field and fed off one another. And now, it was all a farce? It's the coaches' fault we failed? Why are we suddenly pointing fingers and blaming? I thought the anthem was "you win as a team and you lose as a team" (this, unlike most cheesy sports aphorisms, is one of the few ones that is actually true). It just doesn't jive in my mind.

Much like many events since kickoff on January 9th, I file this into the "I just don't understand" category. Frustration and anger are entirely understandable. Expressing that outside the confines of your closest friends and family, however, is a no no. And frankly, it doesn't help you or LSU. So for any LSU athletes going forward: pipe down, stay on point. You'll be better for it.

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I think you're being a little harsh on Peterson

To be fair, it’s REALLY hard to know how good of a tight end you can be when you’re one of the last options in a run-heavy offense. He made some great plays over the years, and I can think of only one bad one (the horrible alligator arms his junior year). Also, judging by the improvement year to year, he really worked hard on his blocking until he was pretty good at it.

As far as Peterson’s comments, I don’t have as much trouble with them as with JJ’s. Peterson is a receiver essentially who is saying he wishes he would’ve had more of a chance to impact the game, and he thinks he would’ve been able to do some good things. JJ coming out and saying “we just have to do what the coaches tell us, we don’t call the plays” COMPLETELY throws the coaches under the bus. And I’ve made this point before, but it’s mind-boggling that he’s criticizing the coaches’ conservative play calling…when this same quarterback is the one whose inconsistent and sometimes flat-out AWFUL play is the very REASON for the conservative play calls. We got the ball to the hands of our playmakers with Russell and Flynn…heck we even got it to them with Lee his freshman year.

Another thing that bugs me about it, and I saw this on the SEC blog on ESPN.com, was Les Miles was INCREDIBLY loyal to JJ, and then the first chance he gets when he’s no longer on the team, he throws him under the bus…unbelievable.

Last thought I have-as far as abandoning the game plan, what were our most successful drives? The only one that got past the 50, and apart from that…wasn’t it the first drive? That stalled because of a fumbled snap? The reason I ask is because that first drive looked COMPLETELY different from every other drive. We were no huddle, throwing the ball on first down, etc. I wonder if we really were just planning on doing that the first drive or if something made us get away from it.

by Squash on Feb 14, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

I agree in regards to Peterson.

Folks got all up in arms that Lee didn’t get another shot this past year, yet Dlo basically has a career of not getting many shots. Was there things for him to improve? Of course. Did we give him many chances to shine? No, not nearly enough for what he was suppose to be ( a WR in a TE body ).

As for JJ’s comments, check the original article from the radio show. From the headline to the entire line of questioning, they were baiting JJ hard. Their headline made it sound like JJ went after the coaches, when if you read the interview, they really pushed to get the comments they wanted out of him.

All that said, I understand why folks think he should have bit his tongue more and on the other hand, he didn’t say anything most folks didn’t already expect or ‘know’. It was quite obvious that on the field, there was no game plan and coaching went out the door. A player stating an obvious truth does not bother me at all – he’s being honest. A player spreading ‘behind the scenes’ dirt would bother me, but he really didn’t do that ( not dirt anyhow ). If JJ would have mentioned his own failures to execute, I’d have no problems with what he said.

by Xanathol on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

As far as JJ

I guess you’re right in that he didn’t say anything we didn’t already know anyways…but he certainly should’ve phrased it better. Although best case scenario, it’s not his place to say anything, cause everything he said has already been talked about by other players, etc…and he said it in a worse way than the others.

by Squash on Feb 14, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a huge cop-out.

“We” don’t all know that if JJ was allowed to throw the ball things would have been better. With his slow release and bad accuracy I think Bama would have picked him off multiple times. I do know that play calling did not cause JJ to forget how to run the option. Miles did not make JJ pitch so early that the DE could cover the QB and tackle the pitch man. That is just piss poor QB play by JJ – but I forgot, he felt he had a decent game.

Miles should have sat his ass all year.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Guess we'll see...

Never was really that impressed with him. Phenomenal athlete, average football player IMO. Felt that way long before the comments, as well.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 14, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah we've all expressed that particular opinion.

He’s earned the dreaded “soft” label.

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by Billy Gomila on Feb 14, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Peterson was a 4 year disappointment.

by GeauxTiger on Feb 14, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Soft is exactly what he was.

And that kept him from being even “good”. But he could have been competent had we used our TE more. Not sure why we never really did.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh and Paul both of the Blackwell links are the same…

by Squash on Feb 14, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

ACK!

I guess I copy/pasted wrong. I can’t find the other Blackwell link I had… now. Shucks!

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 14, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's just a case of players...

Trying to sand bag some accomplishments after the poor showing. You lose like we did, everyone had a part in it, not just the coaches.

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by ChadP7 on Feb 14, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

It's just odd

When we beat Bama on Nov. 5th, every single player on their team that spoke up said, “We just didn’t execute. We didn’t play as well as we needed to.” Etc. etc. etc.

Now our players come out and their reasoning is “Well we just didn’t have a good gameplan.”

Very frustrating.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 14, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

and who's mentality does that best fit...

I’m sorry to pile on him, cause I had really embraced pulling for JJ now that he is gone. But this episode is just not that shocking for JJ. It is the face he makes when he throws a bad pass; it is his opinion in interviews after games that he “had a good game” when anyone watching would disagree; it is yelling at Ware for JJ’s bonehead INT.

This is not odd, this is JJ. TM and Mo C and even Lee did exactly what you are saying after the game.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

But this is more than JJ

Multiple players saying things like this. Obviously you have your slant against JJ, and that’s fine. My personal opinion is that he was never a very good player and that he doesn’t know how to handle the media. I think routinely saying, “I thought I played well” was his way of coping with everything, but people just didn’t like that.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you.

And I don’t want to hold JJ to a politician level of public speaking – he is a 21 year old jock, I get it. He deserves many mulligans and can’t use any kind of coach or PR person to save him. But you have to admit that it is rare to have a spotlight player under-perform routinely and seem to never get that he is part of the problem. Never saying, “I missed a lot of open guys today. I have to up my game, etc.”

I think this point is book-ended with two facts: (1) the unnecessary current issue, and (2) the fact Miles said he was better each of the last two years because he was really putting in more effort in the prep phase.

To make the kind of comments he makes, you better be PP7-level talent or the guy everybody says out works everybody else. He is neither. And that tells me it is a personality issue.

But I defer to Miles. Clearly Lee didn’t do what he needed to do. I just wish JJ would shut-the-F-up and move on.

The Tigers are 13-0 under Miles this season, having played what the NCAA ranks as the nation’s toughest schedule and saddled with the often crushing mantle of being ranked No. 1 since late September.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 16, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

to be fair

that’s probably reasonably accurate. I’m sure there were some flaws in Bama’s gameplan, but it wasn’t outright horrendous like ours was. I see your point – that their players didn’t throw the coaches under the bus – but it ‘s probably easier when the staff doesn’t put you out there with absolutely no chance to win.

I agree that it seems like JJ is trying to help himself a little bit by shifting the blame (which I don’t care for), but it’s hard for me to expect him to say that the gameplan was great with a straight face.

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by Yail Bloor on Feb 17, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

how do we know any TE on this team is any good

When was the last time we utilized a TE in a tiger O. I havnt been inspired by a tiger offense since Matty left. Are you angling for an assistant job. Your critique of Blackwell & dlo was whack. Kinda hard to show potential when your never utilized.

Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural

by Bayouboy99 on Feb 14, 2012 5:06 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

The thing is that fans will never know..

Was Deangelo Peterson not used in game situations because he didn’t show it in practice? Or was he just never given a chance? We fans don’t know, and we’ll never know.

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by Richard Pittman on Feb 14, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The point of my mini evals...

Was that none of these guys are early-round talents. They need as much good feedback as possible to improve their draft status, and, IMO, this doesn’t help.

I do my best to objectively evaluate all players. As for their respective abilities, what I saw on tape is that Peterson struggled to get open and didn’t often maximize his athletic ability. He alligator-armed the ball on several occasions. Was his lack of production tied to the poor QB play. Somewhat, yes. But I also think some blame falls on him.

As for Blackwell, his performance at the Senior Bowl speaks to my concerns on him. He struggles against elite competition. At the SB he looked in poor shape and unathletic. He didn’t play any better than he practiced, and that’s just going up against some of the best seniors in CFB.

I hope each and every LSU player excels at the next level, and I will root for them. But I also try to be objective evaluating them.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 14, 2012 5:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Out of curiosity

When you say you look at tape is it coaches’ film or the tv broadcasts?

by Squash on Feb 14, 2012 6:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Just tv broadcasts

Wish I had coach’s tape.

Eye right blahgs.

And The Valley Shook

by Paul Crewe on Feb 14, 2012 7:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Oh ok

If you did have those I was gonna ask how you could get them, those would be nice.

by Squash on Feb 14, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Paul

Respect and enjoy your evaluations of players. Could you do a season ending grade of the players coming back? Who steps in for Brockers, Baker, Peterson etc.

by bcooper on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm good idea

Maybe I’ll try to get something going here as we head into Spring Ball

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 15, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

Look forward to it. And your expectations for Mett and who’s the backup?

by bcooper on Feb 15, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

We will have some breakdowns of positions and such as spring practice gets here

I have something long-form in mind for the QB position/passing game that I’m going to start researching soon.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
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by Billy Gomila on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Billy

Enjoy your perspective as well. As great a season as we just had, I’d love to see a dynamic passing game.

by bcooper on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That and the screen game.

Honestly I think it depends on Mettenberger being as good as we think he’ll be, but I do think there’s a “want.”

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by Billy Gomila on Feb 15, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I have high expectations of Mett

Based off both his hype, the tape I’ve watched and his performance in the spring game last year.

I think Randall will be the backup. And may get some touches (though Mett will see the bulk of the snaps).

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 15, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t imagine MIles will use the 2 QB system for shits and giggles. JJ was pretty much exclusively the QB during the season.

If the offense can move the ball with Mett at QB, then I doubt we see Randall or Rivers until garbage time.

by amiznit on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that.

I think Miles has a pathological need to have that Nebraska option play as a core of his offense. I think we will see Randall get some early touches in the red zone.

To be fair, other coaches are doing the same thing in the post-Tebow world, so I can’t fault Miles. But I don’t like it. (That should change the course of events!)

The Tigers are 13-0 under Miles this season, having played what the NCAA ranks as the nation’s toughest schedule and saddled with the often crushing mantle of being ranked No. 1 since late September.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Not at all

If you go through Miles’ history his offenses have, with the exception of 08/09, stuck to what they did well. They ran the option with mobile guys, but not with QBs that didn’t fit that mold — Lee, Jamarcus or even Josh Fields at Ok State.

If Mett is a good enough passer that he clearly needs to be on the field as much as possible he will be. But if they try and run some sort of occasional option package, that’s hardly a 2 QB system.

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by Billy Gomila on Feb 16, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm quite the fan of Blackwell

Probably more than Paul is, but I’m 100% with him on Peterson. He’s broken off routes to avoid big hits, dropped passes and in general made some bone-headed mistakes in his time. He has to own those foibles.

I will say, that he improved a lot as a blocker his senior season, but not enough to overcome a couple of seasons worth of issues. A guy like Mitch Joseph might have been a similarly one-dimensional player, but at least he was lights-out at that one dimension.

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by Billy Gomila on Feb 14, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

100% Agreed.

His patented move was to cut out of bounds 7 yrds before contact when he did get the ball. He had the mindset of an elite HS WR that could avoid contact. But he played TE in the SEC. Bad combination.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I think all three of these players really screwed up

both for their NFL careers, and if they later wanted to have any sort of business in southern Louisiana.

But I am still frustrated by the game…it really did seem like we completely threw whatever plan we had out the window after the first drive. Now the blame for that has to, I think, fall on both the coaches and Jefferson, since his screw-ups were the reason the 1st drive went bad.

But it’s still ridiculous that we never went back to our game plan. Did we really think we simply could not get yardage up the middle in the run game?

by GeauxTiger on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 PM CST reply actions  

Yes.

I think Miles, et al., saw the OL getting beat; saw JJ scared to run the option; so JJ unable to get time to throw quick-outs; and said – holy shit we can’t throw the ball tonight.

That is why Lee never got in – Miles felt he would be hit before he could throw (and likely revert to his fear-based mental clock) and would generate INTs. Down by 15 in the 4th you can’t risk an INT so Lee never played and JJ kept at the option/short pass game. Miles was hoping to have one play pop and then be in a 1-play-game.

Never happened.

"They play violent football at risk of injury for their team and for their school. The gift that I'm given is to be allowed to be on the sideline with them and coach them." Les Miles

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you there

I think Miles genuinely believed, “one of these run plays is about to bust.” He was overly patient with it, and also overly cautious in general.

Eye right blahgs.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 15, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

the overly cautious bit

is what I kept thinking in the 3rd quarter. And it was rather stunning. The only part of the game where we had any chance for a big play was T-Rex’s returns, and it was obvious Bama went all out to cover him. They ran a steady diet of up the middle and pass to where no one but the receiver and ball boy could catch it- very little chance of turnovers. And we weren’t doing anything on offense that had any real potential for a big play.

It made sense to play it close while it was a one possession game. But once it was 2 late in the third, time was running out, and we never did anything different. 1 big play would not have been sufficient at that point.

Beyond that, I really think that with any threat of a passing game and a commitment to the run, Ware and Hilliard could have gotten some decent yards up the middle. But we did not even try.

by GeauxTiger on Feb 15, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see it that way.

When you get pressure on a quick out, how do you try a 5-step drop with a QB that reads a D very slowly. Bama’s D did to us what we did to 13 teams (including you Bama!) they dominated the line. The only hope is to steal the WVU playbook and install it in the break – not a confident move.

But with 20/20 I guess all must agree that Miles should have taken some shots. Better with Lee (IMO) than JJ. Having him back there implies pass and may open that 6" gap you need for a draw or drag to break. But Miles believed in his team. The plan worked to a 9-6 victory. He stuck to it and lost 15-0 in competitive time in this game. Some of the late runs really looked like the white flag was out. I don’t really understand that, but otherwise I think it is not as incomprehensible as it once was.

The Tigers are 13-0 under Miles this season, having played what the NCAA ranks as the nation’s toughest schedule and saddled with the often crushing mantle of being ranked No. 1 since late September.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 16, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

Even though Bama scored 5 times, it was a 2 possession game late in Q4. There were a lot of games in 2012 that were close to a point and then 1 big play turned them into a blowout … Oregon, WV, Arky, UGA. Miles was waiting for that big play to come, but it never did.

Bottom line is that we had a flawed one-dimensional offense no matter who was playing QB.

by amiznit on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they did

I think they were counting on a defensive score or a punt return score – basically, from the 2nd quarter on. That’s the part that I just don’t get.

by GeauxTiger on Feb 17, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Blame game

I still think the worst thing about their comments is that all of them thought they were helping themselves. Players read the internet, they saw Miles getting criticized, so if they jump on that train, they can deflect criticism from their own poor performance onto Miles. Perfect plan, right? Just add to the anti-Miles feeding frenzy and any shortcomings you have are not a reflection on you, but on Miles.

The problem with that, is that I don’t think these comments do help the players. It doesn’t help Miles, either, but all of the players (save maybe Blackwell) just come off as petulant, and unable to take responsibility for their own actions. They all hurt their draft stock by slapping “attitude problem” on their list of question marks.

Meanwhile, Randle has kept his mouth shut, has far more reason to be pissed and frustrated, and he is rocketing up the boards. He is being discussed as a possibe 1st rounder right now. Look who is helping themselves by avoiding the blam game.

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by Poseur on Feb 15, 2012 7:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

that's all I was trying to say

But you said it much more succinctly.

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by Paul Crewe on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That's a first

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by Poseur on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If JJ had just blamed himself first

and then criticized the coaching, I wouldn’t really be bothered. The fact that he seems to think he is blameless is insane.

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by Yail Bloor on Feb 17, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, JJ's comments fit his pattern.

JJ always thought he was a better QB than he was, when in truth his best game might have been as a FR against GT. He should have never been the starter on an elite team.

So HE IS RIGHT. There WAS a game plan problem, but it started after the Nov 5 win when Miles inexplicably decided to make JJ THE QB. We haven’t had a real SEC QB since Flynn; what we had was two guys that complimented each other well with their play, and forced two game plans on opposing defenses.

If we had kept the pattern of JL starting, JJ as the change-up, good running game and great defense, we would have had a chance.

by TigerTex on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

Lee and the PR Game

Speaking of guys who know when to shut up. Jarrett Lee has won the battle for LSU fans’ hearts, and he has done so by keeping his mouth shut, or only saying positive things.

Not to be the turd in the punchbowl, but any rational review of Lee’s career would lead to little confidence he could have done anything against Bama. His worst games all came against Bama, and boy, were they bad. But instead of being reviled for being the guy who threw tons of key interceptions, he is beloved for losing his starting job without complaint. By not playing in the title game, he secured his legacy as the guy who was done wronged. “Lee would’ve won it” can be an unchallenged belief for many Tiger fans.

Lee has gone through more, emotionally, than just about any college QB I can think of. He’ll be remembered as a far better QB than his performance merits, just because of the way he handled adversity. Good for him.

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by Poseur on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Contrary to popular opinion

not getting any PT in the SECCG and BCSCG was the best thing to ever happen to Lee.

by amiznit on Feb 15, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

you are right

but i wish he would have gotten in some just to quiet the naysayers.

by Zandor435 on Feb 16, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate this entire subject.

But I know you guys have to cover it. But I would like to suggest that this is it. This post, and the subsequent discussion — that’s all. Nothing more of ATVS about it.

This is like watching family members or very close friends fight. It hurts, and there’s nothing you can do about it but move on.

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by Eggplant Wizard on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...as long as JJ keeps his mouth shut.

The Tigers are 13-0 under Miles this season, having played what the NCAA ranks as the nation’s toughest schedule and saddled with the often crushing mantle of being ranked No. 1 since late September.

by ZimmZimmZalaBimm on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

[Quarterbacks redacted]

That’s my policy.

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by Billy Gomila on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

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Question About Michael Brockers
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Morris Claiborne NFL Draft Profile Video
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KJ Malone commits to LSU at Spring Game
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A Student's Perspective on Thursday's Open Practice
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LSU Spring Game/ATVS Meet-&-Greet?
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Feheko Fanaika?
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John Diarse Commits

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