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On Miles, Pelini, and general rights to play for the title

For lots of juicy details on how the whole Miles situation went down, definitely go check out the Michigan blog MGoBlog, one of the best CFB blogs around. They've got anonymous emails from former players on Miles' side, 3500-comment threads, and all kinds of other general craziness.

Bo Pelini will coach us in the Title Game. I don't know what to think of it yet, but I'll come to a decision before the game and post it so I can't go back and second guess it depending on how the defense plays. I'm leaning towards "bad idea," given Mark Richt's regretful comments on the Bowl Selection Show about his lame duck period with Florida State prior to moving on to Georgia.

Random musings: this whole thing still sorta has a slightly guilty feel to it, doesn't it? Not just because there's some debate about who deserves it, but just because we didn't handle our business and are merely fortunate beneficiaries of the most bizarre season in college football history. We are lucky, no doubt about it. That said, I have no doubt we deserve it over any team in college football:

  • USC: Playing rather well, but losing as a 6-TD favorite at home in the greatest upset in college football history makes their candidacy entirely invalid. Sorry. That just can't happen. Ever. ANY other team on the schedule, perhaps with the exception of Notre Dame or Idaho, and the world would be cool with it. But not Stanford. Understand, world: Stanford is no better than Appy State. In fact, Stanford would probably lose 6 or 7 out of 10 to those Mountaineers. That loss is a well-deserved permanent black eye.


  • Oklahoma: Has a legit argument. I'm surprised neither Kirk nor Brent on Saturday night were mentioning OU's candidacy. But alas, they lost Bradford for one game, and spotted Texas Tech a 3 TD lead that was too much to overcome. But then, we lost our QB and won the SEC Title. We win.


  • Virginia Tech: If only they'd played 60 minutes instead of 57 vs BC the first time around, we wouldn't even be having this argument. Yet a 6 TD loss to another contender reigns supreme. (Even better payback for 26-7 in Blacksburg in 2002, baby!)


  • Kansas: Lost to the ONLY good team they played all year.


  • Georgia: I love the intellectual dishonesty from Mark Richt. He thinks there should be a rule preventing conference champions from going to the title game, but since there isn't, then hey, what about us? You know, even without the SEC Title they might have an argument if they'd lost by one or two to Tennessee, but laying such an egregiously bad egg is just too much to overcome.


  • Then there's us. Unquestionably THE best win of the season, 48-7 over the team that finished first in the computer polls. Went through a gauntlet of a schedule and emerged just as scathed as most anyone else, with two losses. NEVER got blown out like Georgia or Va Tech, didn't trip up against massive underdogs (read, folks: Stanford +40 at USC, La Tech was +36 at LSU. What would the world think had we lost to La Tech?), sustained some pretty serious injuries (All American WR Early Doucet, All American DT Glenn Dorsey, QB Matt Flynn) which on the whole were just as damaging as anyone this side of Oregon. I think the "undefeated in regulation" argument is a joke, so I'll offer no defense there. We lost, plain and simple. But seriously, to the idiots saying we gave up half a hundred to Arkansas, why the hell are you losing your sanity and not paying attention to the fact that it was 28 in regulation? Anyway, on the whole whether or not our wins involved a dash of luck or general shakiness, it's a year in which we're just fortunate that external forces aligned to let us in the back door and give us a shot at the cyrstal ball. And for that I'm grateful.

And to the many people who are arguing that it should be based on who's playing the best ball right now, if your teams weren't involved, in any other year would you not be lamenting the nonsensical unwritten "early loss is better" rule? Don't be disingenuous; and don't complain because your team's on the other side of some argument this year.

Readers, you guys have anything to add there? Curious if I'm the only one who feels just a wee bit icky about the whole thing. Mountain Man seems to share my sentiment. It just doesn't feel quite as wholesome as it should. Certainly not on 2003's level.

Anyway, our fellow SBN Ohio State blogger Around the Oval will be covering the OSU angle all month, so head over there for their take on the world.

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The luckiest team of all
I haven't bothered to research the days of before my time but in my time, this is clearly the luckiest team to have a legitimate shot at a national championship heading into the bowls. Never in the previous 22 years that I have watched has a two-loss team been so much as a contender for the championship at this point, much less in an actual championship game since they came about for the 1998 season. No championship contender has ever done less.

That being said, one cannot help but wonder if this two-loss entry into the championship game, coupled with this ridiculously bizarre season of upsets (which nonetheless didn't result in any shocking conference winners among the big six league) isn't the beginning of a new trend. It says here that a two-loss team shouldn't be in legitimate contention for a national championship and only is because of the failure of so many others but I wonder if two-loss championship contenders aren't going to become fairly common going forward.

One of the main reasons why Southern Cal can lose to Stanford and Michigan can lose to Appalachian State is because of the reduction in scholorships that have hit college football in the last 20 years. With more and more quality players going away from the top programs because there aren't enough scholorships to accomodate them all, I wonder if these "upsets" are going to become more frequent and lead to more and more multiple loss seasons among contenders.

Also, as to your Mark Richt point, I sort of agree with him. I don't think teams that haven't won their conference should be eligible to play in the championship game, but they are eligible, they have played in the championship game before, so why not them?

by Cola @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 5, 2007 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

I don't see much controversy...
Given the BCS system as is, which I completely oppose.  But given that's what we've got, LSU is in with a pretty clear consensus.  I agree with you that the only team that has a decent argument to be in there is Oklahoma and I also agree that LSU edges them out by a bit there.

I don't think there needs to be a rule mandating that only conference champions are eligible.  That doesn't prevent the individual poll voters from basing their polls on that notion.  And they clearly got it right this time putting LSU back ahead of Georgia.  It's possible that a team with a single early season loss could be denied a conference championship, with the other 1 or 0 loss team from their division losing to a 2 or 3 loss team in the conference championship game.  I wouldn't want to tell voters that they're not allowed to have that 1 loss team in their top 1 or 2 slots.  That just doesn't make sense and as far as that non-rule goes, it's not currently broken so don't fix it (but, yeah, do  fix the larger BCS problem).

by crepuscular @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 6, 2007 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

But...
...you are aware that twice before a non-conference champion ended up in the national championship game, yes?

2001 Nebraska and 2003 Oklahoma. And Nebraska didn't even reach the conference championship game.

by Cola @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 6, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes
I had fallen off the face of the earth in 2001 so I'm not sure about the specifics of that year.  But I am well aware of the 2003 situation.  I don't think that goes against the point I'm trying to make, which is that there shouldn't be a rule that mandates exclusion of non-conference champions.  In 2003, the human pollsters got it right by voting USC and LSU 1-2.  The computers kept Oklahoma at the top.  To try to rectify that, the BCS system was tweaked to make it a 2/3 - 1/3 rather than 1 - 1 human vs. computer poll input.  Given the scenario I posed in my previous post, would you want to mandate that human voters be prevented from placing the hypothetical 1-loss non-conference champion in their top 2?

by crepuscular @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 7, 2007 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

Actually
Actually, I think the human pollsters should be wiped out entirely of the BCS. Most of them don't see much besides highlights beyond the teams they cover, most couldn't name the quarterback of teams like Boise State and Arkansas (much less the other parts of their roster) and all have personal biases. Plus, the human voters have a preseason poll that contributes greatly in dictating who finishes where. The only reason Auburn didn't reach the championship game in 2004 was because they opened the season something like 17th in the human polls and thus were never going to leap over teams that didn't lose. Auburn had the No. 1 computer rating in 2004. The computer ratings are actually based on something real.

The greatest tragedy of 2003 was that the committee overreacted to the result and altered the BCS formula to make human voters more relevant and important than they ever should have been.

If it were up to me, the computers would make up 100% of the formula and the committee would then institute a few rules, among them that a team that doesn't win its own conference is ineligible to play in the championship game.

by Cola @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 7, 2007 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

on humans vs. computers
I'm with you on that, not sure though about going so far as to exclude humans entirely.  i like how computers clearly have no conference bias and that re-shuffling from week to week is pretty fluid.  Humans, on the other hand, tend to have this single-file mentality: if you lose you go further back in the line and only move back up when someone ahead of you loses.  This is a completely ridiculous notion, especially early in the season.

I'd argue that the humans, in a rare case, acted more like the computers that final week, completely redoing the top 10 and going against their normal single-file policy.  Take LSU vs. Georgia there as an example.  Both the aggregate BCS computers and human polls leapfrogged LSU over Georgia.  There were a lot of disgruntled claims on blogs that the humans had a bias against a non-conference champion.  But the agreement with the computers suggests that wasn't the case.  It was fair to drop LSU below Georgia following the Arkansas loss because, based on that performance, it looked like LSU wouldn't be able to beat Tennessee.  But then the victory over Tennessee showed that the team wasn't falling apart.  The initial #7 ranking was a fair hedge somewhere between the two possible extremes given LSU's performance that week.  The leapfrog was then a fair re-calibration of that hedge based on the Tennessee game and the overall seasons of the two teams.  This really just is a very wordy way of saying that human pollsters should completely forget about their previous week's polls when putting together their rankings each week.  But that's not likely to happen.

That said, I'm not totally gung-ho on the computer rankings either.  Based on my observations this year, I've seen a couple of things I'd like to see changed.  It's pretty clear to me that they weigh losses a little too heavily.  I say that based on Kansas' computer ranking prior to their Missouri loss, which was #2, just behind LSU.  Given that their best win to that point was against the #38 Sagarin rated team (Texas A&M), the best evidence suggests Kansas should have been somewhere between #1 and #37.  Given that they consistently beat everyone ranked lower than that, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe decreasing their possible range to 1-20.  The statistical expectation in that case would be #10.  But how the computers settled on #2 is really beyond me.  To my eyes that's pretty clear evidence their algorithms need to be tweaked to prevent over-rewarding a team for lack of losses rather than quality wins.

The other computer nit-pick I have is that they're not allowed to factor in margin of victory.  I can see the reasoning on this up to a certain point.  It's shameful to watch a team run up a giant margin of victory just to help a computer ranking.  But it wouldn't be so bad if margin were factored in, up to a certain point.  Maybe it should be capped at around 20pts.  Looking at the rankings now, that might correct the obvious computer oversight that currently has Virginia Tech ranked above LSU.

The point I don't agree with you on, Cola, is that non-conference champions shouldn't be allowed into a BCS title game.  I'd really like to hear what you have to say about that specific hypothetical scenario I brought up in an earlier post where a 1-loss team, with their only loss coming early in the season, is disqualified.  This 1-loss team could have a resume that is dramatically better than anyone else in the country.  It could have lost out on a tie-breaker to a team in its own division with several out of conference losses.  That team, in turn could lose to an even more unworthy team in the conference championship game.  I could respect your position more if you address this worst case scenario head-on.

by crepuscular @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 8, 2007 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It's been fun defending this Tiger team
the past week. I think I know more about Georgia's season now than 95% of their fans. Let the bitching continue; it doesn't matter. LSU has the chance for a title in 4 weeks and flags fly forever.

(PS: I'm not really a "mountain man" at all; "Man Mountain" is a reference to Swift's Gulliver's Travels)

by Man Mountain on Dec 7, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

Icky, Erven "Dirty"
... but also very happy. I think it was Sean Payton during halftime of the Hawaii game last Saturday that summed it up best.

Georgia not only didn't win the SEC like LSU did, they didn't even win their division. Kansas didn't beat a single team ranked in the Top 25 this week. Not even a team that got a single vote. LSU beat V-Tech down by 40.

LSU should be playing for the national title.

I am just upset about the whole BCS situation, as is about 99.9 percent of sports fans. I so want to see USC play Georgia. Oklahoma vs. V-Tech. I mean those are two games I'd PAY bif bucks to see. And how can Missouri get bitch slapped like this. #1 going into the final week, losing to the same team twice, and they don't get into the BCS.

I mean I love Illinois. The state I grew up most of my life in and where I live now. Been to more Illinois then LSU games. And Ron should be the Coach of the Year. And I LOVE tradition. I mean the Rose Bowl, from the parade to the game, is the "Granddaddy of them all!" But Illinois has no busy in that game.

And finally, I really feel for is Hawaii. Sure their schedule sucks. And no they wouldn't have a winning record if they played in the SEC ..... but, they did run the table.

And as this year has gone, what if Hawaii just blows out Georgia, which most of the "talking heads" seems to think is currently the best team in the nation. Think it can't happen?

Well may I point you to the last 12-15 weeks of college football.  

Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

by tommyguniii on Dec 8, 2007 5:01 AM CST reply actions  

Ditto on the BCS match-ups
It's really a shame when the personal preferences of a few rich and greedy jerks get to decide a team's bowl reward at the end of the season.  Missouri really got shafted.  On Hawaii though, I think they're getting a pretty good reward for their season.  But, yeah, like you said, they can prove us all wrong by beating Georgia.  It would really be interesting to see that happen.  I bet they'd get a lot of #1 votes after that, maybe even win the AP national title.  I know that if I was an AP voter I'd give it to them.  

by crepuscular @ And The Valley Shook on Dec 8, 2007 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

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