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It was LSU preview week at our sister site Roll Bama Roll. I answered a few questions about the upcoming season from the guys representing OUR NEWEST F*CKING RIVAL!

Last week, apparently Schrutebag (aka one of the better known radio names in the sports talk universe) anointed LSU the best football program of the past decade (or perhaps it was "so far THIS decade" which would be a few years shorter). While it's flattering to have that label, and I'd certainly put us Top 5 over that span, I'd have to cede the title of Best to someone else (probably USC). Just for posterity though, I looked up the records of a number of the more successful programs over recent years, and here are the results:

  • OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS
    Ohio St 77.6%
    Boise St 77.4%
    Michigan 77.4%
    Texas 77.0%
    Miami 76.4%
    Georgia 76.2%
    FSU 75.6%
    Va Tech 75.4%
    Florida 74.6%
    Tenn 74.6%
    Okla 74.2%
    USC 72.0%
    LSU 69.4%
    Auburn 67.7%

  • OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS
    USC 90.8%
    Boise St 89.2%
    Texas 85.9%
    Ohio St 85.9%
    Okla 82.1%
    Georgia 80.3%
    LSU 80.0%
    Auburn 78.1%
    Miami 76.2%
    Michigan 74.6%
    Va Tech 74.2%
    Florida 70.3%
    Tenn 66.7%
    FSU 66.2%

  • THIS DECADE (2001-PRESENT)
    Boise St 85.7%
    Texas 85.7%
    USC 84.4%
    Okla 82.5%
    Ohio St 81.6%
    Miami 80.0%
    LSU 79.5%
    Georgia 78.2%
    Auburn 75.0%
    Michigan 73.3%
    Va Tech 73.1%
    Florida 72.4%
    Tenn 69.7%
    FSU 66.2%

Ok, so Boise State is in there just to see how they stacked up. Given their conference, no one is going to argue that they're the best program over any recent period (though their resume is mighty impressive nonetheless - 2nd best record of all these teams in the past 10 and 5 years, and best this decade). Some general observations, though:
  • Clearly, many teams have posted better overall records over the past decade than LSU and USC. Our Tigers are bogged down by horrendous '98 and '99 seasons. Meanwhile, until its recent dominant stretch, USC strung together a number of mediocre 5 and 6-loss seasons to begin the period. That said, every team had some down years over the period.
  • I think it's important for any LSU Tiger fan to note that even though we look much better over the past five seasons, our record over that span is not particularly that much better than Auburn's. Sure, we have a national title and they don't, but they're the team that's put together an undefeated season (thus having accomplished EVERYTHING asked of them that year), while we haven't. In this sort of analysis, I find it somewhat disingenous to give ourselves credit for a national title that benefited from other teams having a single loss, while not giving Auburn credit for the simple fact that one of the better teams in history (2004 USC) happened to co-exist with them that season, and also went undefeated. Auburn's record is very very good in that stretch.
  • That said, Auburn hasn't won consecutive bowl games over Top 10 opponents by a combined 9 touchdowns. Game, set, match, LSU.
  • So who is the best, then? Ohio State? They have the best overall record, a national title, and another title game appearance. Texas? Very few truly bad years, and nine straight nine-win seasons which includes one of the best ever in 2005. Oklahoma? Three title game appearances, one victory, and six ten-win seasons in their last seven. No, I think by virtue of the sheer brilliance of their recent five-year stretch, I'd have to go with USC. As I mentioned, every team had a bad stretch in this 10 year period. The simple fact that some teams' depths may have been deeper than others (7 and 8-loss seasons versus a number of 5 or 6-loss ones), for instance, shouldn't penalize them. So it's folly to simply award that title to the "Best Overall record who also has a national title in that span," and disregard USC even though they fall alongside us at the bottom of the 10-year numbers. I really don't care that USC has as many crystal balls as we do or Texas does; no one can argue that the current USC stretch isn't among the greatest few years in college football history.
  • I suppose if any LSU fans actually read this blog, we'd be making my funeral arrangements in short order.
  • So what do I think about our own accomplishments, then? Consecutive dominant bowl performances and a national title make us solid contenders for 2nd to USC over the past five years. There's no doubt that at the present time, we're among a handful of the best in the country. But over the past ten? I've already anointed USC the top there, and would have trouble not awarding 2nd and 3rd to either Ohio State or Oklahoma. I think we could make a solid case for 4th after those three: one national title (03), two conference Championships (01, 03) and another conference title game appearance (05), and three truly dominant bowl performances over top caliber opponents (01, 05, 06). There are those who'd argue that we play in a tougher conference (per Sports Illustrated last year), and thus should be cut a little slack. I have some sympathy for that argument but in the end, there's nothing wrong with holding us to a higher standard, is there? I'm thrilled enough that after a dreadful decade of the 1990s, we're at least in the thick of that argument now.

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That's an excellent point at the end
It's too easy to get lost in the thicket of arguing over who is top dog and forget that 8 years ago, I'd have looked at you funny and cut off the beer had you predicted where SC is at the moment. Hope you're enjoying LSU's resurgence in much the same way.

by DC Trojan on Jul 16, 2007 11:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Indeed I am
It really does get lost in the shuffle that it's simply great to be IN these discussions. Here's hoping we finally get to meet you guys in the national title game this year!!

by GeauxTigers on Jul 16, 2007 11:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Competition for USC
In the BCS era, I think I'd give Ohio State the nod as the top program in the nation. They've been in six BCS games (tied with Florida State for the most), won five BCS games (more than anyone), won a national championship (tied with eight other teams for the most), played in two national championship games (same number as USC and Miami, although fewer than Florida State and Oklahoma) and, in my opinion, faced the best losing team in a championship game (when they beat Miami in 2002, which I think was a better team than USC in 2005 because the '05 Trojans had a lousy defense, and better than 2000 Florida State because by the time the championship game had rolled around Mark Richt had left for Georgia and Snoop Minnis was suspended, taking away their best receiver).

The main reason I give the edge to Ohio State over all others, aside from having a better BCS record than every other program, is because they've been consistently strong, while USC, though dominant since the middle of 2002, was pretty mediocre from 1998-2001, which cannot be ignored when looking at the BCS era as a whole (and that is only one year shorter than your 10-year span assessment). Ohio State had a mediocre season in 1999, but won a BCS game in 1998 and even in 2000 and 2001 played in New Year's Day bowls before the 2002 team transformed them into one of the truly elite programs in the nation.

I do think Southern Cal has probably surpassed Miami over the entire time frame, although there is no doubt in my mind that Miami 2000-2003 was better than Southern Cal 2003-2006.

by Cola on Jul 17, 2007 2:39 AM CDT   0 recs

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