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LSU Football is Not Mediocre

Do the numbers back up Marcus Spears’ claim?

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In December 2015, I wrote an article detailing why LSU football was anything but “mediocre”, a word often used by critics of LSU’s recent performance. 8 months later, we fired our head coach.


Last night, LSU legend Marcus Spears took to his new television program (which is great, by the way) to put his beloved football program on blast:

First, let’s address the elephant in the room. Spears is a burgeoning media personality (and a good one), with a new TV show he would like to succeed, doing a segment titled “Come @ Me” with the obvious intention of increasing social engagement. This is a very run of the mill smash and grab ratings bit and that’s... okay. Next week, I’m sure they will skewer some other school. This week, LSU’s poor performance rightfully earns them media ridicule. I have zero interest in attacking Marcus. If you read some of his replies, I think he also has hopes this can be used to help motivate the team to improve. So I don’t think he’s coming from a nasty place, even if the producer insisted he film this in front of an Alabama championship banner. /fin

Couching all that, let’s look at Marcus’ actual argument here, in text form:

Listen... here’s the deal family. LSU fans, as an LSU alumnus... we aren’t what we think we are. We’ve become a mediocre football team and a middle of the pack, very average, college football program.

We have to stop believing that we are one of those teams that, at the end of the year, is gonna be standing tall because it’s been proven. My boy Stu hit me with the stats, since 2012 25-16? 5-3, 4-4, 5-3. That’s average. That’s mediocre. We’ve got to stop thinking of LSU what we thought LSU was, a 61% winning percentage over the last 5 years. We are no longer a championship team.

There’s a lot to unpack here and even some relative truths. Not to be reductive, but we must, again, define mediocre:

Understanding that, let’s dive into Spears’ evidence.

My boy Stu hit me with the stats, since 2012 25-16? 5-3, 4-4, 5-3. That’s average.

I think he conflates a couple stats here, but we can reasonably assume the 25-16 is a reference to overall conference record since 2012 and the 5-3, 4-4, 5-3 is reference to LSU’s league record each of the three previous seasons, though they are listed out of order. That’s fine, scripted for TV purposes to maximize sound byte potential, it makes enough sense.

There is simply no disputing these numbers. They are factually correct. Yet, as with most every poor data argument in existence, the utter lack of context makes them otherwise meaningless. I can’t speak for Marcus and I doubt I’ll get a response to this tweet:

What I can do is let the data go ahead and speak for itself:

SEC Record Since 2012.csv

Team Wins Losses
Team Wins Losses
Alabama 40 4
Georgia 27 14
Florida 28 15
LSU 25 16
Texas A&M 21 19
Mississippi State 21 20
South Carolina 20 22
Ole Miss 19 21
Auburn 19 22
Missouri 19 24
Tennessee 15 26
Vanderbilt 14 26
Arkansas 12 28
Kentucky 9 32

Being nine games above .500 sounds average-ish audibly, but put into context of conference competition and only Alabama, Georgia and Florida have performed better in the prescribed time frame. Again, we’re just using conference wins here, just as Marcus did, so this is not inflated by rent-a-wins. LSU’s conference record since 2012 puts them in the top third of the conference. Accepting the definition of mediocre as “middle of the road” and we can easily and objectively prove the characterization doesn’t fit.

Let’s get back to Spears’ other statements.

We’ve become a mediocre football team and a middle of the pack, very average, college football program.

The argument gets blurry here, because he’s broadly labeling LSU as an average program, but then only citing conference data as supporting evidence. If he framed the argument as “LSU is a middle of the pack, very average SEC football program”... he would still be incorrect, but at least his data would suit his argument.

So, let’s look at some national numbers just to see if there IS an argument to support his claim. Here’s overall record in all of FBS football since 2012:

CFB Record Since 2012.csv

Team Win-Loss Record Win %
Team Win-Loss Record Win %
Alabama 67-7-0 90.50%
Ohio State 63-7-0 90.00%
Clemson 63-9-0 87.50%
Florida St 59-10-0 85.50%
Oklahoma 54-14-0 79.40%
Stanford 54-17-0 76.10%
Boise State 52-17-0 75.40%
Oregon 52-17-0 75.40%
Louisville 51-17-0 75.00%
Georgia 51-18-0 73.90%
Wisconsin 52-19-0 73.20%
Toledo 47-19-0 71.20%
LSU 47-19-0 71.20%
Oklahoma St 48-20-0 70.60%
Michigan St 48-20-0 70.60%
N Illinois 50-21-0 70.40%
San Diego St 49-21-0 70.00%
App State 30-13-0 69.80%
Baylor 47-21-0 69.10%
Navy 47-21-0 69.10%
W Kentucky 47-22-0 68.10%
Texas A&M 46-22-0 67.70%
Notre Dame 45-22-0 67.20%
Houston 45-22-0 67.20%
USC 47-23-0 67.10%
Kansas St 45-23-0 66.20%
Washington 46-24-0 65.70%
Arkansas St 43-24-0 64.20%
Penn State 43-24-0 64.20%
TX Christian 43-24-0 64.20%
Michigan 43-24-0 64.20%
Nebraska 44-25-0 63.80%
Florida 42-24-0 63.60%
Marshall 43-25-0 63.20%
Miss State 43-25-0 63.20%
UCLA 43-25-0 63.20%
BYU 43-26-0 62.30%
Utah 41-25-0 62.10%
LA Tech 42-26-0 61.80%
Iowa 42-26-0 61.80%
Miami (FL) 40-25-0 61.50%
Cincinnati 41-26-0 61.20%
Mississippi 41-26-0 61.20%
VA Tech 42-27-0 60.90%
N Carolina 41-27-0 60.30%
S Carolina 40-27-0 59.70%
Northwestern 39-27-0 59.10%
Minnesota 40-28-0 58.80%
Ohio 40-28-0 58.80%
Auburn 40-28-0 58.80%
Duke 40-28-0 58.80%
Arizona St 40-28-0 58.80%
GA Southern 24-17-0 58.50%
Utah State 40-29-0 58.00%
Central FL 38-28-0 57.60%
Middle Tenn 38-28-0 57.60%
Bowling Grn 40-30-0 57.10%
LA Lafayette 38-29-0 56.70%
W Virginia 38-29-0 56.70%
Missouri 38-29-0 56.70%
Tennessee 37-29-0 56.10%
Arizona 38-30-0 55.90%
GA Tech 38-30-0 55.90%
Old Dominion 25-20-0 55.60%
Memphis 36-29-0 55.40%
Air Force 37-30-0 55.20%
Colorado St 38-31-0 55.10%
Pittsburgh 36-32-0 52.90%
Texas Tech 34-31-0 52.30%
Central Mich 35-32-0 52.20%
W Michigan 35-32-0 52.20%
Vanderbilt 34-32-0 51.50%
Texas 34-32-0 51.50%
E Carolina 34-32-0 51.50%
Temple 34-32-0 51.50%
Ball State 33-32-0 50.80%
Rice 34-33-0 50.70%
NC State 34-33-0 50.70%
Tulsa 33-34-0 49.20%
TX-San Ant 32-33-0 49.20%
Wash State 32-34-0 48.50%
S Florida 31-34-0 47.70%
San Jose St 31-35-0 47.00%
Troy 30-34-0 46.90%
Fresno St 31-36-0 46.30%
Arkansas 30-35-0 46.20%
Rutgers 30-36-0 45.50%
Nevada 30-36-0 45.50%
Maryland 29-36-0 44.60%
Syracuse 28-37-0 43.10%
New Mexico 28-38-0 42.40%
Oregon St 28-38-0 42.40%
Boston Col 27-39-0 40.90%
Indiana 26-38-0 40.60%
S Alabama 27-41-0 39.70%
Buffalo 25-38-0 39.70%
Wake Forest 25-39-0 39.10%
Akron 25-39-0 39.10%
California 25-39-0 39.10%
Kent State 24-40-0 37.50%
LA Monroe 24-40-0 37.50%
Kentucky 24-40-0 37.50%
North Texas 24-41-0 36.90%
Wyoming 24-41-0 36.90%
Texas State 23-40-0 36.50%
Colorado 24-42-0 36.40%
Illinois 22-42-0 34.40%
S Methodist 22-42-0 34.40%
S Mississippi 22-44-0 33.30%
UAB 13-26-0 33.30%
Army 21-43-0 32.80%
TX El Paso 21-43-0 32.80%
Connecticut 20-43-0 31.80%
Tulane 20-44-0 31.20%
Virginia 19-44-0 30.20%
Hawaii 20-47-0 29.80%
Iowa State 19-45-0 29.70%
UNLV 19-46-0 29.20%
Florida Intl 18-44-0 29.00%
Fla Atlantic 18-45-0 28.60%
Idaho 17-46-0 27.00%
Purdue 17-47-0 26.60%
E Michigan 16-47-0 25.40%
Miami (OH) 16-48-0 25.00%
Coastal Car 1/3/00 25.00%
Charlotte 6/21/00 22.20%
N Mex State 12-51-0 19.10%
Georgia State 10-44-0 18.50%
Kansas 10-53-0 15.90%
U Mass 10-54-0 15.60%

So, since 2012, LSU’s record ranks 13th overall in all of FBS football. Only 15 programs have won more games than LSU in that same span. And here’s your casual reminder that LSU’s had an additional two games (rent-a-wins) canceled in that timespan. Ranking 13th out of 130 programs is hardly “mediocre.” Even if we toss out non-Power 5 programs, LSU’s ranking only rises a spot. So, in effect, LSU’s performance over the last half decade is as a fringe top 10 program in all of college football. Does this sound anything like average or mediocre?

To take this one step further, let’s look at all-time winning percentages in college football history to see where LSU’s 71.2% (overall not SEC only, as Marcus states) stacks up:

CFB Top 50 Winning Percentage.csv

School Wins Losses Ties Winning Percentage
School Wins Losses Ties Winning Percentage
Michigan 938 334 36 0.731
Notre Dame 897 321 42 0.728
Ohio State [b] 886 322 53 0.724
Alabama [c] 878 327 43 0.721
Oklahoma 872 321 53 0.721
Texas 891 360 33 0.707
USC [d] 823 336 54 0.701
Nebraska 889 372 40 0.699
Penn State 867 385 41 0.686
Tennessee 829 375 53 0.681
LSU 778 408 47 0.65
Georgia 795 418 54 0.649
Miami (FL) 613 351 19 0.633
Penn 844 487 42 0.63
Florida 710 408 40 0.63
Auburn 749 432 47 0.629
Washington 715 442 50 0.613
Virginia Tech 728 462 46 0.608
Arizona State 600 382 24 0.608
Clemson 717 457 45 0.607
Texas A&M 725 471 48 0.602
Michigan State 684 450 44 0.599
Miami (OH) 679 448 44 0.599
West Virginia 735 487 45 0.598
Delaware 682 451 43 0.598
Central Oklahoma 617 407 47 0.598
Central Michigan 609 406 36 0.597
Georgia Tech 723 490 43 0.593
Utah 661 453 31 0.591
Arkansas 709 486 40 0.59
Colorado 695 494 36 0.582
Stanford 635 450 49 0.582
Wisconsin 684 489 53 0.58
Pittsburgh 712 520 42 0.575
Boston College 652 481 37 0.573
Minnesota 683 509 44 0.57
Louisiana Tech 602 449 37 0.57
Syracuse 705 529 49 0.569
Arizona 601 452 33 0.569
Oregon 641 487 46 0.566

LSU’s 71.2 percentage would rank seventh in college football history. Perhaps we’re confusing the meanings of the words “mediocre” and “elite”?

Finally:

We are no longer a championship team.

This, we can agree upon. LSU’s failure to bring home hardware got Les Miles fired. There’s a clear argument that LSU’s experienced a downturn in performance over the last half decade. The issue is, the downturn is from a previous decade of unparalleled success. That doesn’t make LSU mediocre, no matter how frustrated you are with the results.